Giving up caffeine is a game changer

Same. I don’t get withdrawal even after I’ve been drinking a few months straight. After hearing about more of the negatives, I switched up my habit a bit.

I only drink ice espresso drinks or cold brews to avoid the toxins that come from the bean, and I never drink it with sugar. Sugar makes crashes worse (like with alcohol) and it’s bad anyways.
 

alecks

Woodpecker
Although it's dose dependent for each individual, some people will tolerate more caffeine than others. This can be from diet and genetics (Fairly broad spectrum but you get the idea). Timing of the caffeine dialed in with type of food consumed will reduce the absorbing capabilities of caffeine and sometimes make it slower. Drink coffee first thing in the morning with no food and/or not eat for a couple of hours to know what I mean. Your stomach is empty so it will absorb it quicker if there's nothing in there before it. (Won't go into the nitty gritty but you get the jist).

See all those pre workout supplements? They are pure poisons too. How they are even legal is beyond me and I used to love them too a few years ago. I even notice my heart rate is much lower and a lot of my thinking doesn't seem as "rushed" as before.

I did some calculations and realized I was drinking maybe 4-5x the normal dose of caffeine everyday. close to 700/800mg! That is fucking crazy. No wonder I felt like shit and had sleep issues.

Now Imagine that sort of dose overtime and everyday give or take a cup or two. It's like chronic smoking!....but in liquid form and yet caffeine/coffee culture is looked at in a positive light and praised all over the world. Just a small conclusion I'm coming to now.

Mind you there are probably millions of people out there that have no problem with caffeine because they drink only small amounts of it and the symptoms never come to the surface. You won't get the associated issues described above eating a few squares of chocolate in my opinion.

The coping mechanism is an interesting one. Standard procedure in most workplaces (coffee/smoke break) and ties in very well with people's deep seated issues. Alcohol is in the same pool of course but I won't go into that. A lot of people have their "poison" if you will, just seems like caffeine is the kind of elephant in the room thing, not many people talking about the drawbacks. You have to keep topping yourself up everyday with the stuff but you don't realize that it has downsides, especially if you stop.
 
Here we go again, another placebo effect preacher. "My body cant deal with a caffeine stimulant so therefor it must be bad for everyone else too".

Firstly, Its complety out for system within 5 hours so unless your drinking coffee at night then its having 0 impact on your sleep.

I'm a daily coffee drinker but ive gone weeks without it and never so much as noticed anything even close to withdrawel. And as an ex smoker I'm sure I would recognize one.

Green tea has higher amounts of caffeine but its still widely medicaly accepted to be the healthist drink you can have known to man kind.
 

Kaizen

Pelican
Gold Member
^ above is false half life of coffee is approx 5 hours and its 5 half lifes to get it completely out your system so more than 24 hours

By that time someone is adding the next dose

Of course there are slow and fast metabolizers

Im a bit hooked although i know Id likely function better if i got rid of it entirely
 
If you don't enjoy it and you can clearly pinpoint negatives from it, then I guess it's a no-brainer to do away with it.

Or you could just try moderation, drinking it for pleasure, and buying really fresh and high quality coffee. Then balance that out with lots of clean water, fresh air, and healthy food.

By the way, if all you eat for a month is green veggies and meat, and then at the end you have an apple... you will get an insane sugar buzz. Does that mean the apple is bad news? It probably means we shouldn't be eating two apples a day, but it's a wonderful treat when it's fresh from the orchard in fall, and they keep so well over the winter when there is little chance of other fruit. So horses for courses.
 
First off, let me state that I don't believe anything that creates an addiction, or withdrawal symptoms, is an optimal strategy. Having said that, this thread is typical of our personalities in the red pill world that can go too far if not considered carefully, tending more towards black/white thinking that can cause people to stray from proper thinking overall.

Let's get this back actually to the science or physiology of/related to caffeine, and remind people of a few things:

1. It is the only "OTC" substance proven to be a ergonomic enhancer, both mental and physical. That is why it is included in every energy drink. If you don't believe this, go ask the military about their people and your conspiracy and get ready for them to laugh at you. Or any manufacturer of those mini bottles with XYZ ... and always of course caffeine within the list. This is known by every researcher in the world, exercise physiology and otherwise.

2. Yes, half life is about 6 hours; it can be used responsibly, of course as it is with humans --- it is used among other things and in combination many times, irresponsibly. It is, for all intents and purposes, safe as far as pharmacology is considered.

There's not really much more than these two things, biologically.

I personally like the taste, I like the motivation it gives me, but I realize that it does diminish your sleep quality, though alcohol crushes your sleep quality in comparison (there is no comparison). I found this when the last few times I abstained for 3-7 days (usually if I get sick), my dreaming is majorly increased, or I remembered all of them. I don't drink coffee after noon, I actually can feel how bad it is for me if I do that. I have zero problems with sleep, if I go to bed when I should, as a result.


Mage, you have good ideas there in your post, but what annoys people when you bring up things like this is that your ideas aren't critically assessed. You point out "Christians" --- and you're right --- but then you also later mention secular people who do the same or worse, which completely nullifies your point. I wonder all the time why being a fatass is acceptable at all regarding standards we hold people to. And I talk about how disgusting of an example a lot of priests or bishops are when they are clearly abusing eating because it is a stealth vice or sin, I do agree there too. But this just shows we all have our weaknesses.

By the way, of teas, black tea has the highest amounts of caffeine (green tea less); I always wonder how so many people spout this but are incorrect. Yerba mate (a leaf) has more than both but even it is nowhere near the brain blast coffee has with its caffeine content.
 
It's not really a game changer unless you're a long term addict, or you spend lots of money on it, Starbucks. If you have more than a cup a day your basically an addict. I think this stuff about withdrawal is over-blown but I haven't consulted the medical literature.

It's also a buzzkill to give up because a lot of people socialize or work over coffee.

For me, I will have a cup or a red bull mornings when I need an extra boost or to get something big done.

As an above poster said, taking an absolutist stance on it is a bit much; caffeine is a known beneficial stimulant that boosts athletic performance with little to no negative effects.

The most negative thing about it is spending 5-10 bucks a day on it at a cafe rather than cents at home. Quickly a coffee habit becomes more like a pack a day cigarette habit.

And, if you are red-pilled you should NEVER be visiting Starbucks, because your habit then supports ultra-leftism, planned parenthood, trannys, etc.
 

JiggyLordJr

Kingfisher
Any substance that causes a physical dependancy should be avoided en masse. Full stop.

Why does one need caffeine anyway? I feel like some people have been consuming it for so long (I was once one of these people), that they just assume that it's a necessary and permanent fixture in their life. The social acceptance and gatherings over "a cuppa" makes it hard to cut it out as well. It's like alcohol, but even less stigmatized - think "coffee culture."

But really, think about it for a second: Why do you need to drink something in the mornings to "wake up"? Isn't that what... waking up is for? Once you open your eyes in the morning, you should be awake and feel refreshed. If you don't, one or more of the following conditions is very likely true.

1. You don't go to sleep at (approximately) the same time every night, which means your natural circadian rhythm is out of whack.
2. You've been consuming psychoactive substances such as alcohol/caffeine throughout the day, which can really mess up your sleep quality.
3. You're not in peak physical condition (diet, physique), which makes you feel like shit in the mornings, and in general as well.
4. Or you're just not getting enough sleep - most people need 7-9 hrs, but get a bit less every night. Prior to common belief, sleep cannot be "caught up" on.

Due to one or several the aforementioned reasons, most people wake up feeling like their brain is fried to a crisp, and in an effort to relieve themselves of this self-inflected injury, they swamp to the easiest and quickest way out of their mental anguish: a drinkable stimulant. And it causes a negative cycle, with more caffeine consumption leading to poorer sleep, leading to more caffeine consumption... (see point 2). Funnily enough, that morning cup doesn't even have a positive affect on regular drinkers - they just do it so they feel less like shit. I can imagine this is how junkies must feel when reaching for their pipe, but at a lower order of magnitude. Just substitute a pipe for a cup o' joe and the lines start to blur.
 

lunchmoney

Woodpecker
Bienvenuto said:
^Woman I used to work with would drink red bulls non stop .. and.. fall asleep at her desk.

I swore off tea, coffee and soda as a youngster. Fell off the wagon on fizzy drinks recently but.. I don't worry about it too much.

If I drink coffee I can't sleep for 36 hours or so.

I remember the days in college of drinking Red Bulls to get through finishing a paper or studying for a class the next morning. Looking back, the heavy intake of caffeine in my early 20s has had to have some negative internal effect on me. Not in the same way someone who smokes a pack of Marlboro's a day is giving themselves cancer, but something...
 

alecks

Woodpecker
JiggyLordJr said:
Any substance that causes a physical dependancy should be avoided en masse. Full stop.

Why does one need caffeine anyway? I feel like some people have been consuming it for so long (I was once one of these people), that they just assume that it's a necessary and permanent fixture in their life. The social acceptance and gatherings over "a cuppa" makes it hard to cut it out as well. It's like alcohol, but even less stigmatized - think "coffee culture."

But really, think about it for a second: Why do you need to drink something in the mornings to "wake up"? Isn't that what... waking up is for? Once you open your eyes in the morning, you should be awake and feel refreshed. If you don't, one or more of the following conditions is very likely true.

1. You don't go to sleep at (approximately) the same time every night, which means your natural circadian rhythm is out of whack.
2. You've been consuming psychoactive substances such as alcohol/caffeine throughout the day, which can really mess up your sleep quality.
3. You're not in peak physical condition (diet, physique), which makes you feel like shit in the mornings, and in general as well.
4. Or you're just not getting enough sleep - most people need 7-9 hrs, but get a bit less every night. Prior to common belief, sleep cannot be "caught up" on.

Due to one or several the aforementioned reasons, most people wake up feeling like their brain is fried to a crisp, and in an effort to relieve themselves of this self-inflected injury, they swamp to the easiest and quickest way out of their mental anguish: a drinkable stimulant. And it causes a negative cycle, with more caffeine consumption leading to poorer sleep, leading to more caffeine consumption... (see point 2). Funnily enough, that morning cup doesn't even have a positive affect on regular drinkers - they just do it so they feel less like shit. I can imagine this is how junkies must feel when reaching for their pipe, but at a lower order of magnitude. Just substitute a pipe for a cup o' joe and the lines start to blur.

There you go, in a nutshell.

Majority of people won't actually stop it though. It's a must for them. Tough habit to break.
 
I'm on to my third cup as a tidy up a report I started on roughly 7 hours ago. Of course, two of these cups I had yesterday in the afternoon as part of a coffee break. All things considered this is my heaviest caffiene consumption in upwards of 4-6 months. Most days I don't even drink any.

I guess my point is don't use the word addiction heavily unless it is addiction. To add, I did a cross continental trip a few weeks ago, and on the drive, I forget how long it was, but I drove all night basically I had 150mg of caffeine in the form of a monster zero, which i thought would have more like 200 or 300. So I did the whole trip, after a day full of other commitments, on 1 1/2 cups of coffee, and it did basically nothing to help keep me awake, so low was the dose, and how late it was.

If you want to talk about coffee addiction, it would be the guy who has to get a vente coffee first thiing in the morning and then do more coffee throughout the days. What's a vente, like 30+ ounces? Or even the girl who does a grande and one normal coffee during the whole work week, without fail.

IMHO caffeine withdrawal is overstated, I used to drink 2-3 cups a day, filled to the brim, black, for weeks on end, no withdrawal.

Do not forget female status bonus for consuming branded items. In college it is hip for the girls to walk into class late with a cup of freaking starbucks. Tell me how smart that is! Me, knock back black coffee from Casey's or Dunkin in a pinch, this isn't some damn wine tasting, this is speed up my work at this bad sweatshop so I can get home to Ben Shapiro OWNs videos. Coffee is a timewarp to avoid the unsavory parts of the day, not a slow the day down with long gossipy coffee breaks device. Any man knows a proper old school coffee break involves a strong cigarette and a bowel movement afterwards, e cigarettes don't count!... I expect nothing less from you guys.

History lesson, I drank coffee to be edgy because I was a non-drinker non-smoker. It also gave me the perfect excuse to be smug about my old macbook pro covered in nonsense travel and outdoor brand stickers. Just imagine what women use coffee for...
 
JiggyLordJr said:
Funnily enough, that morning cup doesn't even have a positive affect on regular drinkers - they just do it so they feel less like shit. I can imagine this is how junkies must feel when reaching for their pipe, but at a lower order of magnitude. Just substitute a pipe for a cup o' joe and the lines start to blur.

I can't really disagree with your post, it seems a little overstated though. I think the key is to focus on this part of your response; if you don't have a positive effect, you've gone too far, I agree.
 

alecks

Woodpecker
Chad said:
I'm on to my third cup as a tidy up a report I started on roughly 7 hours ago. Of course, two of these cups I had yesterday in the afternoon as part of a coffee break. All things considered this is my heaviest caffiene consumption in upwards of 4-6 months. Most days I don't even drink any.

I guess my point is don't use the word addiction heavily unless it is addiction. To add, I did a cross continental trip a few weeks ago, and on the drive, I forget how long it was, but I drove all night basically I had 150mg of caffeine in the form of a monster zero, which i thought would have more like 200 or 300. So I did the whole trip, after a day full of other commitments, on 1 1/2 cups of coffee, and it did basically nothing to help keep me awake, so low was the dose, and how late it was.

If you want to talk about coffee addiction, it would be the guy who has to get a vente coffee first thiing in the morning and then do more coffee throughout the days. What's a vente, like 30+ ounces? Or even the girl who does a grande and one normal coffee during the whole work week, without fail.

IMHO caffeine withdrawal is overstated, I used to drink 2-3 cups a day, filled to the brim, black, for weeks on end, no withdrawal.

Do not forget female status bonus for consuming branded items. In college it is hip for the girls to walk into class late with a cup of freaking starbucks. Tell me how smart that is! Me, knock back black coffee from Casey's or Dunkin in a pinch, this isn't some damn wine tasting, this is speed up my work at this bad sweatshop so I can get home to Ben Shapiro OWNs videos. Coffee is a timewarp to avoid the unsavory parts of the day, not a slow the day down with long gossipy coffee breaks device. Any man knows a proper old school coffee break involves a strong cigarette and a bowel movement afterwards, e cigarettes don't count!... I expect nothing less from you guys.

History lesson, I drank coffee to be edgy because I was a non-drinker non-smoker. It also gave me the perfect excuse to be smug about my old macbook pro covered in nonsense travel and outdoor brand stickers. Just imagine what women use coffee for...

very strange you had no withdrawal.
 

JiggyLordJr

Kingfisher
Kid Twist said:
JiggyLordJr said:
Funnily enough, that morning cup doesn't even have a positive affect on regular drinkers - they just do it so they feel less like shit. I can imagine this is how junkies must feel when reaching for their pipe, but at a lower order of magnitude. Just substitute a pipe for a cup o' joe and the lines start to blur.

I can't really disagree with your post, it seems a little overstated though. I think the key is to focus on this part of your response; if you don't have a positive effect, you've gone too far, I agree.

Didn't intend to compare caffeine to crack, it's just to say that the instinctual grab for a cup is comparable in unconscious origins.
 

Laurifer

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I don't drink it because I need it. I drink it because I like it. Every morning I'm at my espresso machine. That said, I'm getting pretty sick of coffee after 3+ months of night shift. I might switch to black/green tea then taper down to decaf for absolutely no reason at all despite whatever benefits I may notice.
 

Tikimalore

Sparrow
It is different for everone. I drink four cappucinos per day, each containing about 50-80mg of coffeine. I dont have any effect from it and I also dont have any effect if I dont drink them. I just like to drink it.
 

Skink

Pigeon
Gold Member
If you have troubles to give up, here is one coffee replacement that I found to be great:

https://www.avogel.de/ernaehrung_gesundheit/ihre-ernaehrung/themenuebersicht/bambu/bambu.php

It has a taste quite close to real thing and also very nice "creamy" foam on the top. Good replacement for cappuccinos.

Still, when in Italy (or Moscow) I always have one morning cappuccino in some local place (not starbucks), this is more of a ritual then for the caffeine kick.
 

BalanceLife

Robin
Gold Member
I have done > month of no coffee and I have not realized significant changes to my body, hence I started drinking again. Having said, I will try to quit coffee again, maybe not strictly but I will try to drink much less.

And yes tea also has caffeine, I am substituting coffee with tea, so I am also getting my share of caffeine elsewhere.
 
Espresso is a replacement for drip coffee, less caffeine usually. More and more I drink black tea like I'm some sort of tea-swilling Russian mob guy in Brighton Beach. Still get some caffeine just not as much. One of these days i'll get a samovar.
 

VNvet

Kingfisher
I've never drank coffee in my life, and never really had caffeine.

My solution is to go to sleep when I'm tired. If I don't sleep well, then the morning will suck. However, the day really isn't that awful.
 
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