Gnosticism and its impact on Christianity

I checked on her a few days ago, and she's still arguing in the comments that something may happen in the near future. She spends a lot of time researching esoteric literature and I don't deny she's good at presenting her arguments, but I also think she's become influenced by those occult powers. Apparently, she's been sick for a few months now, and in my opinion, some evil spirit may be messing with her. The solution would be to see an exorcist, but as she's stated (indirectly) that she is against Catholicism (and maybe against Orthodox Christianity too), she won't be feeling good any time soon. God bless her! Anyway, I don't want to put anyone's faith into question.

Pray for her. You would want God to act so that she may be free.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Those posts by the Gnostic above sum up the mentality that a lot of the descendants of the Gnostics have. I don't think there's too many people identifying themselves as specifically as being a Gnostic these days but you see their influence still. There's the desire to possess esoteric knowledge known only to the intellectual and spiritual elite that you see both New-Ages and also the fedora pop science loves have and how this knowledge is supposed to unlock the secrets of the universe and bring either an individual or humanity at large to a glorious new era, escaping from the Matrix of this world. The atheist transhumanist that wants to escape earth and colonize space and the New Age guru aren't that different in that sense.
 
Those posts by the Gnostic above sum up the mentality that a lot of the descendants of the Gnostics have. I don't think there's too many people identifying themselves as specifically as being a Gnostic these days but you see their influence still. There's the desire to possess esoteric knowledge known only to the intellectual and spiritual elite that you see both New-Ages and also the fedora pop science loves have and how this knowledge is supposed to unlock the secrets of the universe and bring either an individual or humanity at large to a glorious new era, escaping from the Matrix of this world. The atheist transhumanist that wants to escape earth and colonize space and the New Age guru aren't that different in that sense.
I think you are confused about Gnosticism or who or what makes someone a Gnostic.

For one, we are not "New Agers". If anything, the Abrahamic Faiths would be "New Age" if anything in comparison to our beliefs and how older Gnosticism is in comparison. If you are talking about Wiccans or certain Neo-Pagans, then yes those people are New Agers. People for example who wrote "The Secret" or the "Law of Attraction". They are not Gnostics, and anything they talk about as "Esoteric" is not, because even their ideas and movements are easily debunked.

New Age Movements and Ideas are a major plague, promoting disinformation and demoralization.

New Agers are trendy and into trendy things, just like every one of them loves to call themselves a "Shaman" and a "Healer".

Christians and sometimes Muslims love to criticize Gnostics as having "no proof of anything", but where's the proof of their religions? More so with Christianity, it's an entirely Faith-based religion and the Controllers of the world wrote the bible themselves. The Muslims at least retained Science and Philosophy in their books, although still being a cult, but the Christians took it out of their Holy Books and demand that their followers just have "faith".

We Gnostics do not believe in faith nor prayer or spiritual pipe dreams, and we never demand them to "just have faith". Instead we encourage them to read and find out something for themselves, if they can do so without committing suicide after they understand what we know.

Also, Gnostics are not Atheists. I believe what you may be trying to compare us to are the Agnostics, who would be at a level just before Atheists.

Most Gnostics dislike Atheists and we do not get along with them.
 
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Diocletian

Woodpecker
Christians and sometimes Muslims love to criticize Gnostics as having "no proof of anything", but where's the proof of their religions? More so with Christianity, it's an entirely Faith-based religion and the Controllers of the world wrote the bible themselves. The Muslims at least retained Science and Philosophy in their books, although still being a cult, but the Christians took it out of their Holy Books and demand that their followers just have "faith".

Christian nations became the most scientifically advanced cultures in all of human history, as well as producing the greatest art, literature, architecture, music, and feats of engineering in all of human history. Even our cuisine is better than that of any other. St. Thomas Aquinas is universally recognized as one of the most profound philosophers in all of human history as well and wrote quite a lot about how the existence of God can be proven through reason. Christianity in general has a 2,000 year old philosophical tradition unmatched by any other religion--or any other group of any kind for that matter--ancient, medieval, or modern. The Catholic Church had been for centuries the single largest provider of hospitals and mass schooling in the world; indeed one could probably argue the Catholic Church created what has become the modern hospital and public school systems.

Islamic nations, on the other hand, after their conversion either remained wholly barbaric or sank into barbarism. To date the Islamic nations have reached levels of brutality exceeded only by communism and have made insignificant contributions at best to science, art, literature, architecture, music, engineering, and philosophy.

You know a whole lot less about Christianity and human history than you think you do.
 
Christian nations became the most scientifically advanced cultures in all of human history, as well as producing the greatest art, literature, architecture, music, and feats of engineering in all of human history. Even our cuisine is better than that of any other. St. Thomas Aquinas is universally recognized as one of the most profound philosophers in all of human history as well and wrote quite a lot about how the existence of God can be proven through reason. Christianity in general has a 2,000 year old philosophical tradition unmatched by any other religion--or any other group of any kind for that matter--ancient, medieval, or modern. The Catholic Church had been for centuries the single largest provider of hospitals and mass schooling in the world; indeed one could probably argue the Catholic Church created what has become the modern hospital and public school systems.

Islamic nations, on the other hand, after their conversion either remained wholly barbaric or sank into barbarism. To date the Islamic nations have reached levels of brutality exceeded only by communism and have made insignificant contributions at best to science, art, literature, architecture, music, engineering, and philosophy.

You know a whole lot less about Christianity and human history than you think you do.

Islam was able to do by give their adherents a lot of initial vigor in the short-term. But its the Long-term impacts which Christianity does far better.

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MajorStyles

Pelican
Christian nations became the most scientifically advanced cultures in all of human history, as well as producing the greatest art, literature, architecture, music, and feats of engineering in all of human history. Even our cuisine is better than that of any other. St. Thomas Aquinas is universally recognized as one of the most profound philosophers in all of human history as well and wrote quite a lot about how the existence of God can be proven through reason. Christianity in general has a 2,000 year old philosophical tradition unmatched by any other religion--or any other group of any kind for that matter--ancient, medieval, or modern. The Catholic Church had been for centuries the single largest provider of hospitals and mass schooling in the world; indeed one could probably argue the Catholic Church created what has become the modern hospital and public school systems.

But my high school textbook told me that it was "the dark ages"....
 
Christian nations became the most scientifically advanced cultures in all of human history, as well as producing the greatest art, literature, architecture, music, and feats of engineering in all of human history. Even our cuisine is better than that of any other. St. Thomas Aquinas is universally recognized as one of the most profound philosophers in all of human history as well and wrote quite a lot about how the existence of God can be proven through reason. Christianity in general has a 2,000 year old philosophical tradition unmatched by any other religion--or any other group of any kind for that matter--ancient, medieval, or modern. The Catholic Church had been for centuries the single largest provider of hospitals and mass schooling in the world; indeed one could probably argue the Catholic Church created what has become the modern hospital and public school systems.

Islamic nations, on the other hand, after their conversion either remained wholly barbaric or sank into barbarism. To date the Islamic nations have reached levels of brutality exceeded only by communism and have made insignificant contributions at best to science, art, literature, architecture, music, engineering, and philosophy.

You know a whole lot less about Christianity and human history than you think you do.
The thing is, those qualities of creation, arts, engineering had nothing to do with them being Christian, none whatsoever. It was innate qualities in their racial blood. It's the same way when Christians always refer to Christian casualties as "Killing Christians" rather than identifying the people of that given race. There is a political agenda behind the Christians where they have no regard for ethnic cleansing but view everything only on the basis of a given race being "religious" or not, namely, "Christian".

Christianity has always been very weak in comparison to Islam, and I'm no fan of Islam either, but at least they didn't believe in things like fighting in the name of Love and to become so "Tolerant" yet ironically in other ways the most intolerant people.

It's amazing also, this last year we had, how many Catholic and Orthodox Priests and other officials endorsed BLM and stands up for the destruction of Whites.

You won't see Christianity outlive this century, trust me. It will never return. The fact that so many Traditionalists are violently clinging to it proves that it's never coming back.
 

Diocletian

Woodpecker
The thing is, those qualities of creation, arts, engineering had nothing to do with them being Christian, none whatsoever. It was innate qualities in their racial blood. It's the same way when Christians always refer to Christian casualties as "Killing Christians" rather than identifying the people of that given race. There is a political agenda behind the Christians where they have no regard for ethnic cleansing but view everything only on the basis of a given race being "religious" or not, namely, "Christian".

Christianity has always been very weak in comparison to Islam, and I'm no fan of Islam either, but at least they didn't believe in things like fighting in the name of Love and to become so "Tolerant" yet ironically in other ways the most intolerant people.

It's amazing also, this last year we had, how many Catholic and Orthodox Priests and other officials endorsed BLM and stands up for the destruction of Whites.

You won't see Christianity outlive this century, trust me. It will never return. The fact that so many Traditionalists are violently clinging to it proves that it's never coming back.

The vast majority of that art, literature, music, and architecture took Christianity as its subject. By extension so did a lot of that engineering as it came in the form of the magnificent cathedrals that still adorn Europe to this day.

Racial blood? Which race? Before Christianity, and in the early years around the fall of the Western Roman Empire, Europe had been invaded by swarms of non-European barbarians who mixed in with the population. Then of course you had all the Semitic peoples in the Levant who formed the core of early Christianity, as well as all the Semitic Carthaginians and Phoenecians who traveled throughout the Mediterranean and mixed in with the various Greek and Italic cultures, and of course we all know the role of the Greeks and Italians in Christianity and their accomplishments. The Egyptians were also absolutely vital. St. Agustine was a Berber who converted from Manicheaism, and that circles back to the philosophical tradition of Christianity. Racialism is a thoroughly modern concept which was imposed upon history at various points after the "Enlightenment" to justify barbaric crimes. Right now racialism is all the fashion among the left to justify hatred of "white" people. You're trying to use it to describe aspects of history in which race had absolutely no role. It is completely ahistorical.

As for weakness, you can read the history of military conquest by Christian cultures if you wish. There's plenty there. On the other hand look at Islamic nations and see what their supposed strength got them. Christianity being "weak" is the kind of thing edgy teenage heavy metal fans larping as Odin worshipers say, ignoring the fact that the various pagan religions were conquered and overthrown by those supposedly "weak" Christians. That was not just through military strength, but also the cultural strength of a people who sustained a massive effort to spread Christianity through often hostile populations in remote lands over the course of centuries.

Christianity was from the very beginning purposefully spread to all peoples of all nations instead of being limited to certain ethnic groups a la Germanic Paganism or Judaism. Its that tolerance which helped it to become so successful. As for those Catholic and Orthodox priests you describe, their actions are a result of their individual choices and are not justified by any aspect of Christian theology. That is tolerance in the new Orwellian usage of the term.

Christianity will survive, I have no worries about that. What great achievements do the Gnostics have and what do you think is their future?
 
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DanielH

Pelican
Orthodox
The thing is, those qualities of creation, arts, engineering had nothing to do with them being Christian, none whatsoever. It was innate qualities in their racial blood. It's the same way when Christians always refer to Christian casualties as "Killing Christians" rather than identifying the people of that given race. There is a political agenda behind the Christians where they have no regard for ethnic cleansing but view everything only on the basis of a given race being "religious" or not, namely, "Christian".

Christianity has always been very weak in comparison to Islam, and I'm no fan of Islam either, but at least they didn't believe in things like fighting in the name of Love and to become so "Tolerant" yet ironically in other ways the most intolerant people.

It's amazing also, this last year we had, how many Catholic and Orthodox Priests and other officials endorsed BLM and stands up for the destruction of Whites.

You won't see Christianity outlive this century, trust me. It will never return. The fact that so many Traditionalists are violently clinging to it proves that it's never coming back.
“At least I have my special knowledge”

“For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” Roman's 14:11
 

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The vast majority of that art, literature, music, and architecture took Christianity as its subject. By extension so did a lot of that engineering as it came in the form of the magnificent cathedrals that still adorn Europe to this day.

Racial blood? Which race? Before Christianity, and in the early years around the fall of the Western Roman Empire, Europe had been invaded by swarms of non-European barbarians who mixed in with the population. Then of course you had all the Semitic peoples in the Levant who formed the core of early Christianity, as well as all the Semitic Carthaginians and Phoenecians who traveled throughout the Mediterranean and mixed in with the various Greek and Italic cultures, and of course we all know the role of the Greeks and Italians in Christianity and their accomplishments. The Egyptians were also absolutely vital. St. Agustine was a Berber who converted from Manicheaism, and that circles back to the philosophical tradition of Christianity. Racialism is a thoroughly modern concept which was imposed upon history at various points after the "Enlightenment" to justify barbaric crimes. Right now racialism is all the fashion among the left to justify hatred of "white" people. You're trying to use it to describe aspects of history in which race had absolutely no role. It is completely ahistorical.

As for weakness, you can read the history of military conquest by Christian cultures if you wish. There's plenty there. On the other hand look at Islamic nations and see what their supposed strength got them. Christianity being "weak" is the kind of thing edgy teenage heavy metal fans larping as Odin worshipers say, ignoring the fact that the various pagan religions were conquered and overthrown by those supposedly "weak" Christians. That was not just through military strength, but also the cultural strength of a people who sustained a massive effort to spread Christianity through often hostile populations in remote lands over the course of centuries.

Christianity was from the very beginning purposefully spread to all peoples of all nations instead of being limited to certain ethnic groups a la Germanic Paganism or Judaism. Its that tolerance which helped it to become so successful. As for those Catholic and Orthodox priests you describe, their actions are a result of their individual choices and are not justified by any aspect of Christian theology. That is tolerance in the new Orwellian usage of the term.

Christianity will survive, I have no worries about that. What great achievements do the Gnostics have and what do you think is their future?
Which Races? The Teutonic People and Romans of course. Formerly Greeks as well, but their Imperial greatness was at a time when they were still Pagans. Paganism is the Native spiritual path for European Aryans.

The thing is Paganism is just a general term to refer to anyone who believes in a religion that is not Abrahamic in Origin, and usually pre-dating the Abrahamic faiths. However, the church has taught you and crystallized the perception that all religions outside of the Abrahamic trilogy are "invalid" and are "heathens" and "heretics". A part of the definition of these words is true, but the other part of their meanings also imply a derogatory expression of such people.

I'm certainly no fan of Odinists or the Asatru religions, not all Pagans are necessarily "honorable". Paganism is a very wide gamut of different spiritual paths and sometimes religions, and they can be either Monotheistic or Polytheistic.

Asatru is a "feminine-oriented" religion just like the Wiccans, as much as often is true with most of the Norse Mythology which I am personally against. The only claim that Christians are correct on is that the so-called "Gods" of many of these other figures were actually indeed "Demons". Every culture has myths and folklore, and they are just that, myths and folklore with stories and metaphorical imagery or reinterpretations just as with the Abrahamic Trilogy.

The fact is that spiritually "illuminated" people do not worship Idols or utilize any form of "worship". It the demonic forces or "gods" that demand their followers worship them. The "Real God" does not demand worship, and also there is no "Getting Good / Right with God". One either is of the Divine Lineages or they are not. There is no conversions, no forgiveness, no redemption. These are all made-up concepts invented by the religions.

With all the good you speak of Christianity, you seem to forget all the historical accounts of times when hysteria and other events initiated by the Vatican and even Protestants as well, have been responsible for the many slaughter and destruction of many peoples. Do you sincerely believe the Real God of the universe approves of this?

The God you worship if you are a Christian is "Yahweh", The Non-Abrahamic religions recognize this God to be an alternative name for Lucifer. Hence the reason why the Church is so reluctant to even acknowledge any views outside of the Abrahamic Faiths and is antagonistic to any such views that do not fall in line with theirs.

Humans have lived well long before Established religions, so it is not religion that we are dependent upon for survival or enlightenment.

But if there is to be any correct religion of sorts, it must be universally applicable and compatible for all humans. This obviously isn't the case with Manmade religions.
 
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DanielH

Pelican
Orthodox
Which Races? The Teutonic People and Romans of course. Formerly Greeks, but their Imperial greatness was at a time when they were still Pagans. Paganism is the Native spiritual path for European Aryans.
Literally not true, Rome converted. The Eastern Roman Empire lasted incredibly long with its union of Church and state.
The thing is Paganism is just a general term to refer to anyone who believes in a religion that is not Abrahamic in Origin, and usually pre-dating the Abrahamic faiths. However, the church has taught you and crystallized the perception that all religions outside of the Abrahamic trilogy are "invalid" and are "heathens" and "heretics". A part of the definition of these words is true, but the other part of their meanings also imply a derogatory expression of such people.
Yes.
With all the good you speak of Christianity, you seem to forget all the historical accounts of times when hysteria and other events initiated by the Vatican and even Protestants as well, have been responsible for the many slaughter and destruction of many peoples. Do you sincerely believe the Real God of the universe approves of this?
Basic fallacy of “if Christianity real, why Christians do bad?” It's just libel.
The God you worship if you are a Christian is "Yahweh", The Non-Abrahamic religions recognize this God to be an alternative name for Lucifer. Hence the reason why the Church is so reluctant to even acknowledge any views outside of the Abrahamic Faiths and is antagonistic to any such views that do not fall in line with theirs.
Yeah, they worship demons. Oftentimes quite explicitly and openly such as Hinduism. Of course the demons they worship hate God.
Humans have lived well long before Established religions, so it is not religion that we are dependent upon for survival or enlightenment.
Materialist lie. You have a soul, and it will be required of you one day.
But if there is to be any correct religion of sorts, it must be universally applicable and compatible for all humans. This obviously isn't the case with Manmade religions.
Citation needed. Orthodoxy is universal. Catholic literally means universal. Christ came to save all.
 
Literally not true, Rome converted. The Eastern Roman Empire lasted incredibly long with its union of Church and state.

Yes.

Basic fallacy of “if Christianity real, why Christians do bad?” It's just libel.

Yeah, they worship demons. Oftentimes quite explicitly and openly such as Hinduism. Of course the demons they worship hate God.

Materialist lie. You have a soul, and it will be required of you one day.

Citation needed. Orthodoxy is universal. Catholic literally means universal. Christ came to save all.
Well you are correct that "Catholic" literally means Universal, but just how universal in practice is it really?

The only one thing I can say about the Orthodox is they are far less brainwashed or revisionist than Catholics are and at least their Priesthood is allowed to be married. They are a bit more down to earth, and they tampered much less politically and otherwise with their books and creed compared to the other Christians.

But the thing is these religions are still Oriental in Nature.
 

ilostabet

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
Yeah, they worship demons. Oftentimes quite explicitly and openly such as Hinduism. Of course the demons they worship hate God.

First I would like to say that, while conversation with non-Christians can be fruitful, it cannot be fruitful when there is open contempt and clear ignorance from the other side (which will not be recognized, as it comes from anger, and is demonic). I don't know why such a person would wish to come to a Christian forum simply to attack, but we should ask God to have mercy on him - for debate is clearly impossible without common ground, which is the case here, and it won't lead to anything other than anger on both sides - leading the demons to win.

The second thing I wanted to say is more important, though related to the above as well, and it is that I don't believe your assertion to be correct. While we must condemn ecumenism (even within Christian 'denominations', and equally for other traditions) and be very firm that the Scripture is God's direct revelation to man, and that Christ is the center (the heart) of all Creation, we need to keep in mind that if this is the case, and as St. Paul also wrote, it is literally impossible for long-standing traditions to be fully of the devil, but instead they must contain at the very least (and probably more) a kernel of truth (a kernel is, remember, the inner part of a seed, which can be planted into a full grown plant), for Christ is Lord of all history and of all nations - and this is why 'the law' is written in all men's hearts. Of course, it is not only possible but probable that these other traditions have been mistaken, corrupted, transformed and taken in a very bad direction, or several - by the mere fact that they were guided only by this one manifestation of God, instead of the full revelation. One indication of this is that several pagan traditions were not, originally, what one would call a polytheistic faith - though in time it has become corrupted and it appears outwardly as such. But in recognizing this, it is also important to recognize the same process has occurred in our own Churches - in the case of Protestantism, in a much more radical and revolutionary way than anything in any other religion, where the departure from original doctrine is not nearly as severe.

The reason I point this out is that I think this is a purely Protestant approach, which might be residual in former Protestants and latent in others for the very simple fact that every form of Christianity has, by its very existence side by side with the modern world, been Protestantized - and I believe it is this very thing that contributes to turn people like the pseudo-gnostic member over to the demons (I say pseudo because there is no true gnosticism anymore, it is a tradition that died and was reanimated artificially, similarly to European neo-paganism in general). But even more importantly I find this attitude does not reflect the Trueness of Christ, which is present in every moment, and a man and a society can no more flee it entirely than one can stop breathing. Of course, certain people and certain societies might restrict to a greater or lesser extent their ability to breathe, but if they do so for too long and too strongly, they will asphyxiate. These asphyxiations happen quite naturally, and occurred to many cultures and traditions (like gnosticism), which is a testament that they did not keep enough of God's truth in them to survive or didn't have much to begin with. Others will be incorporated into Christ (like European paganism was, in its various forms). As to the other ones which survived intact to the modern age, it is I think a testament to the opposite, and it is thus quite possible to incorporate their localized tradition into Christ (as was done, for example, in Japan, to a degree - before some historical problems arose).

Remember that St. Paul did not enter Greece preaching to them saying they were worshiping demons (though there was definitely some of that going at the time too), but rather to make known the God which to them was still unknown.
 

Diocletian

Woodpecker
Which Races? The Teutonic People and Romans of course. Formerly Greeks as well, but their Imperial greatness was at a time when they were still Pagans. Paganism is the Native spiritual path for European Aryans.

The thing is Paganism is just a general term to refer to anyone who believes in a religion that is not Abrahamic in Origin, and usually pre-dating the Abrahamic faiths. However, the church has taught you and crystallized the perception that all religions outside of the Abrahamic trilogy are "invalid" and are "heathens" and "heretics". A part of the definition of these words is true, but the other part of their meanings also imply a derogatory expression of such people.

I'm certainly no fan of Odinists or the Asatru religions, not all Pagans are necessarily "honorable". Paganism is a very wide gamut of different spiritual paths and sometimes religions, and they can be either Monotheistic or Polytheistic.

Asatru is a "feminine-oriented" religion just like the Wiccans, as much as often is true with most of the Norse Mythology which I am personally against. The only claim that Christians are correct on is that the so-called "Gods" of many of these other figures were actually indeed "Demons". Every culture has myths and folklore, and they are just that, myths and folklore with stories and metaphorical imagery or reinterpretations just as with the Abrahamic Trilogy.

The fact is that spiritually "illuminated" people do not worship Idols or utilize any form of "worship". It the demonic forces or "gods" that demand their followers worship them. The "Real God" does not demand worship, and also there is no "Getting Good / Right with God". One either is of the Divine Lineages or they are not. There is no conversions, no forgiveness, no redemption. These are all made-up concepts invented by the religions.

With all the good you speak of Christianity, you seem to forget all the historical accounts of times when hysteria and other events initiated by the Vatican and even Protestants as well, have been responsible for the many slaughter and destruction of many peoples. Do you sincerely believe the Real God of the universe approves of this?

The God you worship if you are a Christian is "Yahweh", The Non-Abrahamic religions recognize this God to be an alternative name for Lucifer. Hence the reason why the Church is so reluctant to even acknowledge any views outside of the Abrahamic Faiths and is antagonistic to any such views that do not fall in line with theirs.

Humans have lived well long before Established religions, so it is not religion that we are dependent upon for survival or enlightenment.

But if there is to be any correct religion of sorts, it must be universally applicable and compatible for all humans. This obviously isn't the case with Manmade religions.

You mean those Goths who swept through the Spanish peninsula and mixed with all the Semitic descendants of the Carthaginians, Phoenecians, and the various other natives of the area? Or the Romans and Greeks who also freely intermarried with Semites, Africans, Scythians, etc, and who also freely intermarried with all those Goths? Or all those other barbarians who swept through Europe? Racial purity LMAO.

All religions outside Christianity are invalid. Christianity is the One True Religion. Professing to be the One True Way is by necessity a fundamental aspect of religion since it seeks to provide the ultimate answers to ultimate reality. If you don't claim that your religion is true and that others are false then you end up undermining your entire belief system.

The Eastern Christian Greek Roman Empire was still standing for centuries after the West fell, and even reconquered parts of the West. The Roman Empire split into two halves before the West fell. This is basic history from high school.

I can't speak for the other forms of Christianity, but the Catholic Church has for centuries taught that certain parts of the Bible contain figurative language and are not literally true.

Humanity is naturally religious and has always engaged in some form of religious ritual or worship. Even the most primitive barely contacted tribes of South America have some form of it. Religion is a fundamental aspect of humanity which you see throughout all cultures in all parts of the world throughout all of history.

In Christianity God wants you to worship Him, but we have free will and so can choose not to.

I don't forget the evil acts of various Christians. Christianity explicitly states that all men are in a fallen state and subject to sin. It also teaches that we have free will and can choose evil or good; this is in fact the very thing that elevates us above common animals. I don't approve of these things and that is not something taught by Christianity. Scripture explicitly states that people who engage in acts of evil will be punished by God. If God did not disapprove of evil then He wouldn't have said, over and over, that evildoers will be punished. Have you ever actually read the Bible? Its there for all to see in any language you wish to read it in.

Christianity is universal. Read about the Great Commission and the Pentecost and the tradition of Biblical translation that goes back to the very beginning. Christianity has taken hold across all continents and across vastly different cultures. That's about as universal as it gets. Even the word Catholic comes from the Greek word for "universal." Its in the very name of the Church!

False religions may believe that Lucifer is another name for God, however they are wrong.
 

DanielH

Pelican
Orthodox
First I would like to say that, while conversation with non-Christians can be fruitful, it cannot be fruitful when there is open contempt and clear ignorance from the other side (which will not be recognized, as it comes from anger, and is demonic). I don't know why such a person would wish to come to a Christian forum simply to attack, but we should ask God to have mercy on him - for debate is clearly impossible without common ground, which is the case here, and it won't lead to anything other than anger on both sides - leading the demons to win.

The second thing I wanted to say is more important, though related to the above as well, and it is that I don't believe your assertion to be correct. While we must condemn ecumenism (even within Christian 'denominations', and equally for other traditions) and be very firm that the Scripture is God's direct revelation to man, and that Christ is the center (the heart) of all Creation, we need to keep in mind that if this is the case, and as St. Paul also wrote, it is literally impossible for long-standing traditions to be fully of the devil, but instead they must contain at the very least (and probably more) a kernel of truth (a kernel is, remember, the inner part of a seed, which can be planted into a full grown plant), for Christ is Lord of all history and of all nations - and this is why 'the law' is written in all men's hearts. Of course, it is not only possible but probable that these other traditions have been mistaken, corrupted, transformed and taken in a very bad direction, or several - by the mere fact that they were guided only by this one manifestation of God, instead of the full revelation. One indication of this is that several pagan traditions were not, originally, what one would call a polytheistic faith - though in time it has become corrupted and it appears outwardly as such. But in recognizing this, it is also important to recognize the same process has occurred in our own Churches - in the case of Protestantism, in a much more radical and revolutionary way than anything in any other religion, where the departure from original doctrine is not nearly as severe.

The reason I point this out is that I think this is a purely Protestant approach, which might be residual in former Protestants and latent in others for the very simple fact that every form of Christianity has, by its very existence side by side with the modern world, been Protestantized - and I believe it is this very thing that contributes to turn people like the pseudo-gnostic member over to the demons (I say pseudo because there is no true gnosticism anymore, it is a tradition that died and was reanimated artificially, similarly to European neo-paganism in general). But even more importantly I find this attitude does not reflect the Trueness of Christ, which is present in every moment, and a man and a society can no more flee it entirely than one can stop breathing. Of course, certain people and certain societies might restrict to a greater or lesser extent their ability to breathe, but if they do so for too long and too strongly, they will asphyxiate. These asphyxiations happen quite naturally, and occurred to many cultures and traditions (like gnosticism), which is a testament that they did not keep enough of God's truth in them to survive or didn't have much to begin with. Others will be incorporated into Christ (like European paganism was, in its various forms). As to the other ones which survived intact to the modern age, it is I think a testament to the opposite, and it is thus quite possible to incorporate their localized tradition into Christ (as was done, for example, in Japan, to a degree - before some historical problems arose).

Remember that St. Paul did not enter Greece preaching to them saying they were worshiping demons (though there was definitely some of that going at the time too), but rather to make known the God which to them was still unknown.
From the KJV
Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils
 

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From the KJV
Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils

I was afraid that I would be misunderstood, and it came to pass.

Perhaps you will find this Orthodox podcast of interest, and eventually come to see what I meant: https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits

St. Justin Martyr and St. John Chrysostom's words on the subject can help you see what I mean too, though those are much deeper investigations.
 
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First I would like to say that, while conversation with non-Christians can be fruitful, it cannot be fruitful when there is open contempt and clear ignorance from the other side (which will not be recognized, as it comes from anger, and is demonic). I don't know why such a person would wish to come to a Christian forum simply to attack, but we should ask God to have mercy on him - for debate is clearly impossible without common ground, which is the case here, and it won't lead to anything other than anger on both sides - leading the demons to win.

The second thing I wanted to say is more important, though related to the above as well, and it is that I don't believe your assertion to be correct. While we must condemn ecumenism (even within Christian 'denominations', and equally for other traditions) and be very firm that the Scripture is God's direct revelation to man, and that Christ is the center (the heart) of all Creation, we need to keep in mind that if this is the case, and as St. Paul also wrote, it is literally impossible for long-standing traditions to be fully of the devil, but instead they must contain at the very least (and probably more) a kernel of truth (a kernel is, remember, the inner part of a seed, which can be planted into a full grown plant), for Christ is Lord of all history and of all nations - and this is why 'the law' is written in all men's hearts. Of course, it is not only possible but probable that these other traditions have been mistaken, corrupted, transformed and taken in a very bad direction, or several - by the mere fact that they were guided only by this one manifestation of God, instead of the full revelation. One indication of this is that several pagan traditions were not, originally, what one would call a polytheistic faith - though in time it has become corrupted and it appears outwardly as such. But in recognizing this, it is also important to recognize the same process has occurred in our own Churches - in the case of Protestantism, in a much more radical and revolutionary way than anything in any other religion, where the departure from original doctrine is not nearly as severe.

The reason I point this out is that I think this is a purely Protestant approach, which might be residual in former Protestants and latent in others for the very simple fact that every form of Christianity has, by its very existence side by side with the modern world, been Protestantized - and I believe it is this very thing that contributes to turn people like the pseudo-gnostic member over to the demons (I say pseudo because there is no true gnosticism anymore, it is a tradition that died and was reanimated artificially, similarly to European neo-paganism in general). But even more importantly I find this attitude does not reflect the Trueness of Christ, which is present in every moment, and a man and a society can no more flee it entirely than one can stop breathing. Of course, certain people and certain societies might restrict to a greater or lesser extent their ability to breathe, but if they do so for too long and too strongly, they will asphyxiate. These asphyxiations happen quite naturally, and occurred to many cultures and traditions (like gnosticism), which is a testament that they did not keep enough of God's truth in them to survive or didn't have much to begin with. Others will be incorporated into Christ (like European paganism was, in its various forms). As to the other ones which survived intact to the modern age, it is I think a testament to the opposite, and it is thus quite possible to incorporate their localized tradition into Christ (as was done, for example, in Japan, to a degree - before some historical problems arose).

Remember that St. Paul did not enter Greece preaching to them saying they were worshiping demons (though there was definitely some of that going at the time too), but rather to make known the God which to them was still unknown.
Well, the category of this section is "Faith General", so I believe it's probably assumed that other faiths / religions would be under this section. I'm pretty much open to debate or discuss anything, even if you don't agree with my points.

The main flaw of what I'm trying to get at though is these religions do not really explain anything about our Human existence, as to why we are here, where we came from or where we are going. Instead, it's just relegated to a story that Mankind somehow fell from Adam & Eve, and that there will one day be in a Fork in the road in which we are judged to either go to Heaven or Hell. The question is, why would God put people on a planet to test them or their "faith" ? There is no logical argument for why God would do that.

The Bible is actually a story of Human witness accounts and originally was a blueprint for an Alien invasion of Mankind and genetic modification of the Human Species in which the fallen ones came down to mate with Human women as they found them to be beautiful and divine, and therefore corrupted the Species. Mankind existed long before Adam and Eve, but the arrival of Adam and Eve is a metaphorical story for an Alien invasion.

There is also the line in the Bible book of Genesis that says "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness".

The book "GENEsis" was not named that way on accident.

The context of this implies the process of genetic alteration of the Human species. It is not God speaking himself that says that.

Surely what you say though about the Protestants is also true.
 
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