Good bye, Tebow Time! Hello Manning reloaded!

[Hotwheels]

It was unfair to John Fox and John Elway to have to use an antiquated college offense to allow a professional QB to be able to play. Most top college programs run pro-style passing offenses now, as the game has advanced past the wishbone offense.

The SEC is a bit of anomaly when it comes to this but generally they have ridiculously good defenses. And for the most part the other conferences produce many more pro QB's while the SEC has a lot of game managers with poor arms/accuracy.

For comparison, I doubt Tebow would have even started at Wisconsin whereas he won the Heisman at Florida. This is due to the fact one runs a pro style while the other is the old school college game.

A lot of Tebow's success this year came against bad teams and the offense they ran was odd. Once defense's game plan for it he's done unless he can learn to throw the ball.

 

[rudebwoy]

Manning has a weak neck, he is a great QB but who knows how long he will last. Teebow is good for now.

 

[Timoteo]

Yes, much of Tebow's success came as a result of a perfect storm of circumstances. Yes, he has all of the intangibles. He can lead and motivate. But it can't be a case of one or the other - a QB needs to be a leader with the requisite skills. You can learn some of the things he needs to learn, but you don't have the luxury of starting a guy while he learns basic QB skills. Tebow is a project, and should never have been drafted in the first round (management gave Josh McDaniels too much power over the draft. They never should have traded Jay Cutler, no matter how much whining he did). You shouldn't have to teach a guy to throw properly at the NFL level. He should have that part mastered by then. Remember...he wasn't projected to go early at all in the draft, because just about every GM and coach in the league knew he was a project at best. Yes, they love his intangibles, but if you're going to take a QB in the first round, you need a guy that's ready to play the position the way professionals play it. Also, the Broncos play in the most mediocre division in the league at the moment. Three teams were tied at 8-8. As fun as it was to see him do what he did, there was a lot of luck involved. Broncos management knew they would be hardpressed to duplicate that over the course of another season. If a team wants to pick him up and try to coach him up in practice, great. But there's too much pressure to win to start a guy that's a project, no matter what his intangibles. His teammates had his back publicly, but at a certain point they can't continue to back him if he's going to be bouncing throws at their feet constantly. Guys will only follow someone that can really play, no matter how great a guy he is.

 

[Timoteo]

Manning has a weak neck, he is a great QB but who knows how long he will last. Teebow is good for now.

Manning's neck is actually fine now. The real problem was the nerve regeneration that affected his tricep in his throwing arm. According to everyone that's worked him out, he can sling it just fine. He faces no greater risk of injury now than any other QB. That being said, the Broncos need to keep him upright, just like any other team must do if they want to be successful. Truthfully, the best scenario would be to keep Tebow and have him watch, study and learn at the knee of one of the best to ever play. Denver management wants him gone because Elway/Fox didn't draft him. They obviously don't have the patience to develop him, and keeping him around would be a circus at this point. Also, it's hard keeping a guy on the roster that you demoted. Through no fault of his own, he's a polarizing figure. They think it's better to let him go somewhere else to develop.

 

[Hotwheels]

I'm just glad we have Rodgers.

 

[rudebwoy]

Manning has a weak neck, he is a great QB but who knows how long he will last. Teebow is good for now.

Manning's neck is actually fine now. The real problem was the nerve regeneration that affected his tricep in his throwing arm. According to everyone that's worked him out, he can sling it just fine. He faces no greater risk of injury now than any other QB. That being said, the Broncos need to keep him upright, just like any other team must do if they want to be successful. Truthfully, the best scenario would be to keep Tebow and have him watch, study and learn at the knee of one of the best to ever play. Denver management wants him gone because Elway/Fox didn't draft him. They obviously don't have the patience to develop him, and keeping him around would be a circus at this point. Also, it's hard keeping a guy on the roster that you demoted. Through no fault of his own, he's a polarizing figure. They think it's better to let him go somewhere else to develop.

There is no assurance that he is 100% and his neck is fine, he had 2 operations on the neck already.
The Colts let him go b/c they felt they are going to be better off in the long run, the Bronco's are desperate for a QB. Teebow was a great story last year but let's face it he is no QB, Elway must be cringing everytime he sees him play.

 

[Timoteo]

Manning has a weak neck, he is a great QB but who knows how long he will last. Teebow is good for now.

Manning's neck is actually fine now. The real problem was the nerve regeneration that affected his tricep in his throwing arm. According to everyone that's worked him out, he can sling it just fine. He faces no greater risk of injury now than any other QB. That being said, the Broncos need to keep him upright, just like any other team must do if they want to be successful. Truthfully, the best scenario would be to keep Tebow and have him watch, study and learn at the knee of one of the best to ever play. Denver management wants him gone because Elway/Fox didn't draft him. They obviously don't have the patience to develop him, and keeping him around would be a circus at this point. Also, it's hard keeping a guy on the roster that you demoted. Through no fault of his own, he's a polarizing figure. They think it's better to let him go somewhere else to develop.

There is no assurance that he is 100% and his neck is fine, he had 2 operations on the neck already.
The Colts let him go b/c they felt they are going to be better off in the long run, the Bronco's are desperate for a QB. Teebow was a great story last year but let's face it he is no QB, Elway must be cringing everytime he sees him play.

Actually, he's had 4 procedures on his neck. But he's gotten medical clearance from all doctors, and passed all physicals. The Broncos did negotiate language in his contract to protect the team in case he's physically unable to perform at any point. I think people are paranoid because it's a neck injury. He's good to go. Honestly, he'd still be a Colt if the team hadn't been so bad and they ended up with the #1 pick. If Andrew Luck weren't in the draft, Peyton would be opening next season with the Colts. It was a convergence of many circumstances. The doubt surrounding his injury, his age, the team being so bad that they fired the GM and Assistant GM, the coach, etc. The final straw was the QB of the future being there for them in the draft to start over. The team losing so much without Manning tells you how important it is to have a great QB to build around. By all accounts, Luck will be a franchise-type QB. Also, with Manning having been out ALL season and JUST signing that huge contract, and them being due to pay him about $28 million as of March 8th I think, it made the decision to let him go a no-brainer.

 

[Timoteo]

The latest word is that Tim Tebow will be dealt to either the Jets or the Jaguars. I'm a Jet fan, and I don't really understand this from a football standpoint. This is a locker room thing for the Jets. A PR thing. Tim Tebow can't lead if he isn't playing, and the coach needs to reign in the fuck-ups in that locker room, and not blame Mark Sanchez for the mess. I could see them running some wildcat for Tebow, like they did with Brad Smith a couple of seasons ago. Both Rex Ryan and Tony Sparano, the new offensive coordinator, love the wildcat. What they need to do is design a decent offense for Sanchez, and give him some weapons at wide receiver and running back instead of bringing in a gadget player.

 

[kosko]

This is why I believe that teams need to calm the F down and be patient. It was a handful of NFL scouts that inflated his worth. Tebow is a maniac whom wins. He gets the respect of his teammates why? Well he isn't the best player on the roster but I can almost guarantee he is the first one in and last one out evreyday. Contrast this to fools like flacoo and Sanchez who don't have the full support of the lockeroom.

This is execs being to stiff. I think teamates of Tebow are cool with him as long as they win. I do agree that Tebow as a pro QB is a stretch, I do still compare him to Vick as Vick in his early years was a horse with a power toss. He couldn't hit shit for days, his accuracy was shit. In time though he tightened it up The Falcons drank his kool-aid because he sold them tickets and won them games. You need the same situation for Tebow, give the kid time. Even as a #2 bringing him in for special play sets each game to keep him fresh. Because as much as offenses are reluctant to embrace his skills defensives are equally now pressed to prepare for a Tebow type player.

Pro Football is full of trolls and ogres evrey other sport they are open to tweaks or working with there strengths or opportunities. In Basketball you playoff your best players skill set, in Hockey they are always open to running loony schemes now and then, baseball your forced to tweak to favor ever changing matchups, in Football... Nope .. The "system" is set in stone with a turn around evrey 12 years lol.

 

[Timoteo]

I think you can win some games in the right circumstances with Tebow, but you can't win a title with him. Ultimately, that's the goal. And I don't think all of his teammates are cool with him as a football player. Like his receivers and tight ends. Guys said the right things, but they also had no choice. Everyone knew that the head coach and chief executive weren't all in on Tebow. They knew it was something they had to ride out, and at the first opportunity, they were going to bring another QB in. I think they respected him as a man, but that's it. Talented guys that aren't getting the ball will leave. You won't be able to bring talent in at certain positions because they won't want to play in that system. That's just it - Tebow isn't their "best player." I agree that as a situational player he can be effective, but not as your starter. A couple of seasons ago the Dolphins had some success with the wildcat. Why? Because they were heavy in running backs, but WEAK at QB. That was a combination of playing to their strengths, but also masking a weakness at the most important position on the field. In other sports it's easier to center things around your best player, but in football your QB has to have a full skill set, not a quirky one. The reason why Mark Sanchez didn't have "support" in the locker room was more the fault of his coach, and the personalities he brought in. You didn't hear about these kinds of issues in his first two seasons. Just last season, because they weren't as good of a team (they lost good players on both sides of the ball in free agency and injuries), and the offensive coordinator was HORRIBLE. The offensive line was terrible, and the had no running game. Sanchez needs coaches that truly have his back. I wouldn't put any credence in the complaints of Santonio Holmes. I like his talent, but he got run out of Pittsburgh AFTER winning a SuperBowl MVP. Rex has to get control of the locker room, and let everyone know he has Sanchez' back. Remember, Eli Manning had the same criticisms thrown at him. There were a lot of loudmouth, strong personalities in that locker room. Once they either retired, or got moved out, bit by bit Eli's personality took over the team. They gave him weapons and the dude has won two titles in 4 years. And he didn't change who he is. Folks have to know that the coach isn't going anywhere (because management has his back), and that the QB is the coach's guy. Then dudes either fall in line, or they gotta go. At that point, of course, the player has to go out an execute to get the ultimate respect from his mates.

 

[Timoteo]

It's official - Tebow to the Jets for a 4th and a 6th round pick, with the Broncos sending a 7th rounder to the Jets.

 

[Luvianka]

Tebow to the Jets! Sean Payton suspended a whole year! WTF? America is clinicaly insane!

 

[Luvianka]

I guess the fat has reached Rex Ryan's brain. If he can't assemble a good O-line for a below the average QB like Mark Sanchez*, what can he expect from Tebow?


*Or is he just another USC QB?

 

[chyamor]

No way Tebow can last in the NY market

 

[rearman]

What they need to do is design a decent offense for Sanchez, and give him some weapons at wide receiver and running back instead of bringing in a gadget player.

Sanchez has had plenty of weapons at WR. He is just a mediocre QB.

 

[Timoteo]

I guess the fat has reached Rex Ryan's brain. If he can't assemble a good O-line for a below the average QB like Mark Sanchez*, what can he expect from Tebow?


*Or is he just another USC QB?

Is Sanchez below average, or did he struggle because he doesn't have an offensive line? Even the BEST in the game look ordinary without protection (i.e. Tom Brady against a team with a good pass rush). If a team can't protect a QB, they have to design an offense that allows him to get rid of the ball quickly. Sanchez also had no running game, and no receiver that was a threat downfield. Tebow isn't being brought in to challenge Sanchez. He's really being brought in to replace Brad Smith (who they lost in free agency to Buffalo last year), who ran their wildcat and short yardage package. Based on that, I like the move.

 

[Timoteo]

What they need to do is design a decent offense for Sanchez, and give him some weapons at wide receiver and running back instead of bringing in a gadget player.

Sanchez has had plenty of weapons at WR. He is just a mediocre QB.

Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress are possession receivers. They don't stretch the field. Dustin Keller, the tight end, is obviously also a possession receiver. Defenses knew they weren't threatened with the deep ball, and the Jets didn't have a real running threat, so defenses just crowded the line. On top of that, they are probably going to lose Burress to free agency, so they won't have him either.

 

[rearman]

What they need to do is design a decent offense for Sanchez, and give him some weapons at wide receiver and running back instead of bringing in a gadget player.

Sanchez has had plenty of weapons at WR. He is just a mediocre QB.

Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress are possession receivers. They don't stretch the field. Dustin Keller, the tight end, is obviously also a possession receiver. Defenses knew they weren't threatened with the deep ball, and the Jets didn't have a real running threat, so defenses just crowded the line. On top of that, they are probably going to lose Burress to free agency, so they won't have him either.

A good QB would have done more with Holmes and Burress than Sanchez did. Guys like Peyton and Brady and Brees make stars out of previously unknown WRs. Sanchez managed to do jackshit with two proven WRs.

It's like when T.O. went to Buffalo and people thought wow, Owens and Lee Evans will be a great 1-2 punch. But with Trent Edwards throwing the ball, their passing game sucked. If Brady had those guys, he's have lit up the scoreboard.

You can give all the WR talent in the world to Sanchez and it won't matter. The guy is a game manager who needs a dominant rushing attack to win.

 

[Luvianka]

During his first two years Mark Sánchez had a great defense, a decent o-line, an effective running game and very good receivers (a slot, and wide receivers) and Rex Ryan assembled a playbook who had his QB very limited. Things slipped away slowly but consistently, the running game dissapeared and the o-line got holes. Yes, it's difficult for a QB to play in those circumstances, but I never saw Sánchez improvising or moving up his game to solve things. Brady, the Manning Brothers, Favre have showed up and stepped up in those situations and that's why they have SB rings. I wonder what Rex Ryan is going to try with Tebow. Is he going to play the wild cat option ten times per game. Is he going to sideline Sánchez at halftime if he's losing the game? Is it just a pressure move on Sánchez or what?
Sánchez, Tebow, Holmes, Burress and Ryan himself in the same team? Boy, the press is going to have a field day everyday! They won't need to have another 'sex harrasment' scandal with Mexican TV babe Inés Sainz no more!

 

[Timoteo]

"A good QB would have done more with Holmes and Burress than Sanchez did. Guys like Peyton and Brady and Brees make stars out of previously unknown WRs. Sanchez managed to do jackshit with two proven WRs."

It's funny how people always bring up Manning, Brady and Brees. I don't know what "previously unknown WRs" means. Is it because of where they were drafted, or did those teams draft or otherwise sign them because of the skills they have? And they have great coaches and systems to play under, with good personnel. Santonio Holmes is a good WR, but he's by no means an all-pro, and he's a headache in the locker room. When Holmes flipped out in the final game of the season, he was flipping out at the OFFENSIVE LINE, not Sanchez. Plax is a nice weapon, but he doesn't go deep. He's a great red zone receiver because of his height. Great QBs don't create something out of nothing. I love Peyton Manning, but for all of those passing number he racks up to "unknown" receivers, what happens in the playoffs? Most years he had a sub-par running game. The Pats run a short passing offense, and those "unknown" receivers get yards after the catch. But what's happened to them in the playoffs since '04? Lack of a consistent running game and inability to protect him has gotten them knocked out of the playoffs.