Good bye, Tebow Time! Hello Manning reloaded!

[Timoteo]

Remember Drew Brees in San Diego? They thought so much of him that they drafted Eli Manning #1, then traded him to the Giants for the rights to Philip Rivers. When Brees hurt his shoulder in the playoffs, they couldn't have been happier. Rivers has been pretty good, but did Brees suck with San Diego, or did they fail to see how good he was? Only Miami and NO wanted him. But look what's happened since. Record passing yards and a ring, because he got plugged into a system that utilizes his skills, which their staff recognized.

Let's talk about game managers. When the Pats won 3 SuperBowls in 4 years, you know what Brady (6th round pick, only started one year in college) was? A game manager. The Pats played D, ran the ball and controlled the clock, and beat you by a field goal. As they changed personnel, they adjusted to a largely short passing offense, and still ran the ball. It was only after they lost the AFC title game to the Colts that they went to a big-play passing offense (Moss and Welker). Remember Deion Branch? He won a SB MVP at receiver, but what did he really do before or since? Remember when Brady got his knee shredded in the first game of the season? The Pats went 11-5 with Matt Cassel (USC QB, 7th round pick), a guy that hadn't started a football game since HIGH SCHOOL. He was a backup at USC his whole 4 years, and barely got on the field because he was stuck behind two Heisman winners. He didn't transfer because Pete Carroll prepares his QBs to play in the NFL. The Pats liked Cassel's physical skills, even though he hadn't played much. So, is it ALL about Brady, or is it the system/coaching in New England? Oh...and what has Cassel done since? New England's philosophy is to trade DOWN in the draft and collect tons of later picks (they don't like to pay first rounders if they don't have to). They cut NAME players (guys that make ProBowls) every year to save money on the salary cap, and just plug in one of those "unknowns" and keep it moving. They pick guys with particular skills to fit into their overall system. Each player only needs to do a small part, and they consider those pieces interchangeable.

Or how about Ben Roethlisberger? (2 rings and three trips to the SuperBowl). His first trip to the SuperBowl resulted in the worst performance EVER by a starting QB in the game (only 9 completions). However, he too was largely a game manager early on. The Steelers played D and ran the ball. Bit by bit, they let him pass more, but they had a running game to keep defenses honest. The feeling is that the Steelers are passing TOO MUCH now, and new offensive coordinator Todd Haley wants to get back to smashmouth football. So, is Roethlisberger limited or mediocre, or has he been surrounded by a good system/coaching that allows him to flourish?

 

[Hotwheels]

I agree that Brady is little more than a game manager.

Thing is, he is a very good one. And, he doesn't throw dump off passes at his receivers shoestrings.

 

[Timoteo]

I agree that Brady is little more than a game manager.

Thing is, he is a very good one. And, he doesn't throw dump off passes at his receivers shoestrings.

Brady and Roethlisberger are more than game managers NOW, but in their first 3 or 4 years as starters they weren't asked to do as much. Mark Sanchez has also suffered from having to scramble for his life a lot, and had some KEY drops. His "accuracy" problems stem from that more than anything else. The guy has hit BIG throws in the playoffs and other key games throughout his first two seasons, and as a team there was a bit of a collapse last season because they simply weren't as good, and they had the most unimaginative offense in the league. Everyone knew what was coming.

 

[chyamor]

Tebow trade to jets might be getting axed

 

[Timoteo]

Tebow trade to jets might be getting axed

Yep. Apparently, the Broncos paid Tebow $5 million he was due EARLY, and now they want the Jets to return that money to them. If it falls though, the Jaguars and supposedly the Rams will be back in play. Tebow actually requested that the Broncos, if possible, send him to Jacksonville because it's close to where he went to high school, and he knows there's a lot of support for him there.

 

[chyamor]

least the broncos could do is send him to the jags in the first place after screwing him over

 

[kosko]

NY is a death wish for Tebow that team is already a fukin circus show Tebow wouldn't help it at all. And Again the J-E-T-S show how dense they after musing Manning and pissing of Sanchez.. They throw him extention money.. Ok. Now they try and sign a QB whom could easily out play Sanchez at camp since Sanchez is really just okay (far above Tebow but I am in the camp that he would improve his skillsets this summer). Now the Jets (or Broncos) didn't have their lawyers read the fine print. What a bloody joke. Jets are dysfunctional Tebow deserves better I hope the trade gets killed.

And Wow @ Payton ... Really a year? Really? Drew Brees is crying he got Franchised its going to be a ugly year down there.... Falcons?

 

[Timoteo]

least the broncos could do is send him to the jags in the first place after screwing him over

The Broncos didn't want to just give him away - they were definitely looking for the best deal for the team, not Tebow. However, if the Jets balk at paying that $5 million (and frankly, that's too much for a player that isn't going to start for you), and the Jags are willing, they could have him. I think they are going to let him compete for the starting QB job, so the money may be a better investment for them to make.

 

[Timoteo]

"Now they try and sign a QB whom could easily out play Sanchez at camp since Sanchez is really just okay (far above Tebow but I am in the camp that he would improve his skillsets this summer)."

I think this is wishful thinking among those that love Tebow the man. They want to see him succeed, but this is a pipe dream. Merril Hoge was discussing this today on ESPN. Tebow hasn't improved his throwing motion an inch in the two years he's been in the league. It's something he's been doing a certain way his whole life that's never been corrected. It's stamped in his muscle memory. Since his college career ended he's been going to QB coaches to work on it. It's still the same. Most around the league that know better don't believe he'll be able to change it significantly enough to be effective. So it's all of a sudden going to get better in the next preseason? And remember, he still has no clue how to run a real pro offense - he doesn't know how to make the reads and quick decisions, and doesn't have the mechanics to get the ball out quickly on top of that. He started last season as the 3rd string QB behind Brady Quinn, and only leapfrogged him because of politics, not ability. They had to put in a special offense for him. And because they did that, he's wasn't able to study and learn and make progress in learning how to run a pro offense. He wasn't going to make up all that ground in one preseason. The Jets actually signed Drew Stanton from Detroit to back up Sanchez. The Jets ARE a bit of a circus right now, and for that reason it would have been rough on Tebow. But the primary problem with Tebow is that he is far behind as a player, and the Jets weren't even going to attempt to improve him as a QB. Any team that sees him as a QB will HAVE to install a new offense for him, an offense that won't win you a championship.

 

[Timoteo]

I'm not surprised that Roger Goodell came down so hard on the Saints. And he's not finished. He hasn't even decided how long Greg Williams will be suspended for. And he hasn't laid down punishment on any players involved yet (look out Johnathan Vilma). The Commish comes down hard on folks that lie to him. The Saints were warned and told to stop the bounties, and where assured by the Saints that it wasn't true. Then they got busted again. Coach Payton said he had no knowledge, then the league found out he did. They also lose 2 second round picks. Payton won't be able to participate in the draft or have any contact with the organization (hard to enforce, but it makes things difficult for him). They need to figure out who the interim coach will be. They have a new D coordinator (Steve Spagnoulo) who has to install a new defense. They may lose the captain of their defense for a long period of time, and their GM got suspended for 8 games too, so who will make deals, etc. if they have injuries and have to bring in players during the year? The franchise could be damaged for years behind this.

 

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[raliv]

I hope Peyton breaks his neck. That will teach Denver. They screwed Tebow who put the team on his back. It's not right, man. Tebow games were the best games last year.

 

[Timoteo]

"Brady, the Manning Brothers, Favre have showed up and stepped up in those situations and that's why they have SB rings."

This is a complete fallacy. When has Brady, game after game, had to scramble for his life? Actually, Brady CAN'T scramble. Peyton Manning has been among the LEAST sacked QBs during his time as a starter, and he's also slow as molasses and can't scramble. Favre has always scrambled around, and he's also the career leader in interceptions as well as TDs. In games when Brady and Peyton Manning have faced fierce pass rushes (usually in the playoffs, where you're facing all the premier defenses), they've ended up on their backs or forced into incompletions. They have offenses that allow them to get rid of the ball quickly. Last season Eli had 20-something interceptions, and was getting ripped. Eli also has a great running game - always has, but didn't always have a great receiving corp. When he has, he's had time and executed. I watch every Jet game, and Sanchez has to scramble and buy time constantly, only to find no one open. He takes a 3-step drop, and D-linemen are already on him. He's never had what those other QBs you mentioned has had to work with. Even with that his numbers for last season were:

3,474 yards (improved each season)
26 touchdowns (improved each season)
6 rushing TDs (improved from first 2 seasons)
18 interceptions (needs to improve, but results from trying to force and make plays. Had 13 last season, after having 20 in year one)
Sacked 39 times (this number has gone UP each year)
Fumbles 10 (lost 8) (needs to improve, but results from poor protection. Had 9 fumbles last year, but only lost 1)
Completion % 56.7 (not great, but improved every year)

The "not stepping up" argument doesn't hold water, since the team was far worse, yet he improved in many areas. I can acknowledge improvement in certain areas are needed, but all are correctable. But he's far from a mediocre QB, and he's not the problem on the Jets.

 

[kosko]

Brady has worse legs then Manning, it's actually jokes seeing him scramble lol. Remember that terrible vid of him dancing at Carnival in Rio!?

 

[thekid]

As a huge Jets fan, I was SO surprised when we actually went through with the deal...

Preliminary thoughts:

1. Sanchez is TIGHT
As if the pressure of the NY media isn't enough motivation, now he has a virginal hail-mary wonder breathing down his neck

2. Our wildcat could be beast
Tony sparano is not an idiot, this is a big-time deal, fits well with his playbook. Only puts more pressure on sanchez to deliver on non gimmick downs.

3. BIG risk
goes without saying, not even because of what we would lose monetarily. The effect this has on Sanchez' psyche could go either way, and we cannot win mad games with Tebow at the helm. That said, Sanchez needs to have a big year. He just got franchize status but there are mad caveats that would allow us to dump his useless ass...

What are Giants/Pats/Dolphins fans thinking about it? Scurred?

 

[rudebwoy]

People don't understand that the league is about making money, NFL is probably the best run sports league in the world.

Peyton going to Denver equals packed stadiums and merchandise flying out the window. I am surprised by this move, I thought Miami would have been a bigger market. No one for sure knows how his neck is and how it will stand up, there aren't many top pass rushers in the AFC West.

Teebow going to NY Jets makes less sense, Sanchez is mediocre at best but Teebow is a flash in the pan. He is going to be put into a bigger frying pan otherwise known as the New York microscope. I am sure in his mind he feels he can be the starter there.

Go Chargers!!

 

[Luvianka]

Guys, I never thought this thread would produce such amount of replies when I posted it! Wow!

 

[kosko]

Sanchez is pitifully weak. Skill wise he is far above Tebow as a QB, but as a man.... Tebow easily out Alpha-dogs him and could easily take over the locker if Sanchez gets hurt or gets benched in a weird situation. Tebow is far from a legitimate QB threat but the mans work ethic and balls are mountains compared to Sanchez's pebbles.

Sanchez will be the starter. But the stupidity of the Jets now create a situation where he will on a mental short leash. The fans will cry for Tebow every fuck up Sanchez makes. Tebow will be waiting (ready) to take advantage and punk Sanchez win given the chance.

 

[thekid]

I don't think Sanchez is as weak as you say...He is performing in NY, the most intense sports city in the nation/world, and has had ONE bad year. He has neglected the spotlight, and for the most part has commanded respect from his teammates (Santio Holmes is Santonio Holmes). The other thing to understand is that Tebow is a joke...to say that he will take over the locker room is giving too much credit to his character imo. I agree that it puts mad pressure on Sanchez now, but playing in NY he has to be used to it/had to know pressure was coming after last year.

Decent ESPN article:http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7717287/new-york-jets-tim-tebow-right-play-gang-green