Good bye, Tebow Time! Hello Manning reloaded!

[kosko]

Its is a stretch to say but NFL kats always talk about how Sanchez is a kinda of a diva and takes things to hard. Tebow has bigger balls by Sanchez, and Tebow will be the last one out of practice and the first one in. PLUS since Tebow is on the bench he will be doing the majority of the practice snaps. Teamates will gravitate towards him.. All it will take if him bailing out the Jets in one or two instances of Sanchez flopping.

Off topic but interesting. Some commentators have brought in the race factor which I do agree with....from both sides tho.

Tebow by all accounts should not of been even in this position. Many higher skilled black QBs have been passed over over preconceptions in years past. Tebow was elevated via preconceptions. This is why I said before how the hell if he is SO BAD did homie even get drafted where he was.

Then the flip side of this is that Tebow being white is open to more direct and critical opinions versus if he was of color. Remember how you couldn't be critical of Jeremy Lin during Linsanity? And if this was Michael Vick or any other Black QB no way in hell you could be as harsh on their game or there merrits of a Man as they have on Tebow.

Not trying to race bait here just as a black man I did notice this. For Tebow he has for sure got more doors open being a glossy white boy but he also gets it twice as raw from haters too.

 

[Hotwheels]

"This is why I said before how the hell if he is SO BAD did homie even get drafted where he was. "

That's the thing. If not for McDaniels having a hardon for him he likely would have gone in the 4th or 5th round as a project. That is where the vast majority of pundits estimated him going in the draft.

It's almost painful watching his throwing motion compared to the real QB's in the league.

 

[Timoteo]

The NY sports media is like a gossip magazine. Straight tabloid. The guys in that locker room with the little nuts are the ones that aren't taking accountability for their own failures. The QB is always the one to have to take the blame, and Sanchez has stood up. Those "unnamed sources" are the weak ones. All of this talk of being a diva is bullshit. That he doesn't work hard enough? That he isn't the first one in, last one out? That he didn't get guys out to California during the lockout to work? Nonsense. He organized the workouts and tried to get guys on the same page. They'll sit on SportsCenter and analyze "body language" and craft some bullshit narrative. Sanchez has gotten flat LAID OUT, but always gets up, when you know he's hurt. Eli Manning had the same nonsense written about him when he struggled early in his career, that he wasn't a strong enough leader, and that his body language was weak, even knowing what HIS background is. Sanchez has always been a QB, always a leader. Dude's dad was a firefighter, and raised his boys to be first. Last thing he said to them when dropping them off to school was to be a leader. Sit at the front of the class. Be the first to raise your hand. Don't hide. The problem is his coaches lost control of the locker room, after bringing in all kinds of crazy personalities. Rex Ryan virtually ignored Mark, and Brian Schottenheimer was a weak coordinator. The Jets didn't invest in a decent backup, then want to say Sanchez was babied because there was no one to push him? The didn't invest in the starter's success. He has all the tools you want in a QB. They have to design an offense that maximizes it. The Tebow effect is largely overblown here. The media needs to concoct scenarios to fill air time and sell papers. Guys that aren't starting and contributing can't lead. If receivers were complaining about not getting the ball last year, when Sanchez managed to throw for 3,474 yards, do you REALLY think those same guys are going to be pulling for Tebow to start? Guys need to start employing some common sense.

 

[JoyStick]

I hope Peyton breaks his neck. That will teach Denver. They screwed Tebow who put the team on his back. It's not right, man. Tebow games were the best games last year.

NFL is a business. Tebow can't take them to the superbowl. I hope Manning do good and make the Colts feel like dumbasses.

 

[46.]

Not trying to race bait here just as a black man I did notice this. For Tebow he has for sure got more doors open being a glossy white boy but he also gets it twice as raw from haters too.

It's true. Race has alot to do with it. In my (Black) mind, Tebow is a "black" quarterback; big, athletic, great feet, loves the lord alot, has "trouble" "reading" defenses and "learning" the QB position. You know what I mean.

But do you think a team would get rid of a (real) Black QB who just went 7-4, turned the team around, took the team to playoffs, won a playoff game as underdog in OT, all in his first year of starting? Oh hell no. Jessie and Al Sharpton would be ALL over the Broncos. Everyone knows QBs get 2-3 years. Tebow got a bad deal from Elway.

But he'll fit in well with the Jets. I think the Jets picked him up for two GREAT reasons: 1) Run the New and Improved Wildcat, and 2) Chill everyone the f-- out in the dressing room...the Jets are out of control and Tebow's a guy who everyone will respect.

 

[Timoteo]

Not trying to race bait here just as a black man I did notice this. For Tebow he has for sure got more doors open being a glossy white boy but he also gets it twice as raw from haters too.

It's true. Race has alot to do with it. In my (Black) mind, Tebow is a "black" quarterback; big, athletic, great feet, loves the lord alot, has "trouble" "reading" defenses and "learning" the QB position. You know what I mean.

But do you think a team would get rid of a (real) Black QB who just went 7-4, turned the team around, took the team to playoffs, won a playoff game as underdog in OT, all in his first year of starting? Oh hell no. Jessie and Al Sharpton would be ALL over the Broncos. Everyone knows QBs get 2-3 years. Tebow got a bad deal from Elway.

But he'll fit in well with the Jets. I think the Jets picked him up for two GREAT reasons: 1) Run the New and Improved Wildcat, and 2) Chill everyone the f-- out in the dressing room...the Jets are out of control and Tebow's a guy who everyone will respect.

For the most part, despite their ugly history, the NFL, and in particular team executives, have gotten past this. Now, if a black kid has a good college career, he gets evaluated the same way a white kid would. It took a LONG time to get here though. When Doug Williams was with Tampa Bay, in the days when they were REALLY bad, he actually led them to the NFC title game. The Bucs didn't think he was worth re-signing. He ended up in the USFL of all places, and had to beg his way back into the NFL. It was a feel-good story when he got the starting job with the Redskins and won a SuperBowl. He never should have had to take that route. As someone mentioned earlier, NO ONE except Josh McDaniels wanted Tebow that early in the draft, for the reasons that are obvious now. He has all those other things you'd want in your QB, but because so much is made of that, we look at other QBs as somehow deficient in the same areas, just because they aren't in your face with all of it. Part of this Tebow stuff is the MEDIA going on and on about it. He's just being who he's always been. Who he was raised to be. But it can get tiring quickly. It gets more tiring because so many feel he's gotten a raw deal, when plenty of other players have gotten CUT after having great years for one reason or another. Because he's been so deified, it seems so much worse. He won games, but there are plenty of caveats to that. The Broncos made a business decision about their future, one I agree with. Another aspect of race is which members of the media root openly for him and overlook his shortcomings. Older, white media members on ESPN root openly, while almost everyone else takes a more logical, measured approach regarding Tebow. They root for what he represents - white and wholesome in a sea of black, immoral, thuggish players (granted, in a league that's mostly black, the knuckleheads are a small minority. But negativity is what keeps news cycles going). In fact, the Jets had signed Drew Stanton as the backup to Mark Sanchez. He only signed here because he had the understanding that he would be the #2. Then as soon as they signed Tebow, just like that, without a QB competition in camp, he's immediately demoted to #3. Why isn't anyone talking about how HE just got screwed? Why didn't anyone even mention that Brady Quinn had the same thing happen to him in Denver? It was widely reported how terrible Tebow was IN PRACTICE, yet Quinn got leapfrogged. Why isn't anyone talking about that? That's why I can't feel worse for Tebow than any other player. This happens EVERY day in the NFL. Also, on in all of the coverage of the Tebow affair since he first started for Denver, I think only one analyst has ever broached the most important question? Can a team win a SuperBowl running the spread/option offense? Everyone knows the answer, so they avoid that discussion because that would mean the end of the endless news cycle that is Tim Tebow. Remember the days when the Run 'n Shoot was popular? The Buffalo Bills were able to get to 4 straight SuperBowls with it, but strong NFC defenses shut it down. The Houston Oilers ran it, but couldn't even get out of their own conference with it. Other teams didn't bother with the offense because you have to gear your whole roster to it, and there's no Plan B if it fails. You're stuck. If you decide to junk it and go back to a more conventional offense, you're forced to tear down and totally rebuild your team again. These kind of gimmick offenses get shut down once teams get a look at them and get personnel to stop it.

 

[rudebwoy]

Not trying to race bait here just as a black man I did notice this. For Tebow he has for sure got more doors open being a glossy white boy but he also gets it twice as raw from haters too.

It's true. Race has alot to do with it. In my (Black) mind, Tebow is a "black" quarterback; big, athletic, great feet, loves the lord alot, has "trouble" "reading" defenses and "learning" the QB position. You know what I mean.

But do you think a team would get rid of a (real) Black QB who just went 7-4, turned the team around, took the team to playoffs, won a playoff game as underdog in OT, all in his first year of starting? Oh hell no. Jessie and Al Sharpton would be ALL over the Broncos. Everyone knows QBs get 2-3 years. Tebow got a bad deal from Elway.

But he'll fit in well with the Jets. I think the Jets picked him up for two GREAT reasons: 1) Run the New and Improved Wildcat, and 2) Chill everyone the f-- out in the dressing room...the Jets are out of control and Tebow's a guy who everyone will respect.

I disagree with this, Teebow got his start because the starter was horrible (Orton I believe). He did the job and deserved the praise he got, let's face it Denver is not a great team.
This is why I don't understand why Manning went there, but he is at the end of his career and I think personally he is a greedy selfish person.
Remember, he decided to have the surgery without giving Colts enough to find a adequate replacement before the season started.

Now if you want to talk about Vick getting a raw deal as opposed to Rothlisberger getting away with rape, then I will gladly agree.

 

[Timoteo]

Not trying to race bait here just as a black man I did notice this. For Tebow he has for sure got more doors open being a glossy white boy but he also gets it twice as raw from haters too.

It's true. Race has alot to do with it. In my (Black) mind, Tebow is a "black" quarterback; big, athletic, great feet, loves the lord alot, has "trouble" "reading" defenses and "learning" the QB position. You know what I mean.

But do you think a team would get rid of a (real) Black QB who just went 7-4, turned the team around, took the team to playoffs, won a playoff game as underdog in OT, all in his first year of starting? Oh hell no. Jessie and Al Sharpton would be ALL over the Broncos. Everyone knows QBs get 2-3 years. Tebow got a bad deal from Elway.

But he'll fit in well with the Jets. I think the Jets picked him up for two GREAT reasons: 1) Run the New and Improved Wildcat, and 2) Chill everyone the f-- out in the dressing room...the Jets are out of control and Tebow's a guy who everyone will respect.

I disagree with this, Teebow got his start because the starter was horrible (Orton I believe). He did the job and deserved the praise he got, let's face it Denver is not a great team.
This is why I don't understand why Manning went there, but he is at the end of his career and I think personally he is a greedy selfish person.
Remember, he decided to have the surgery without giving Colts enough to find a adequate replacement before the season started.

Now if you want to talk about Vick getting a raw deal as opposed to Rothlisberger getting away with rape, then I will gladly agree.

Yeah, Orton struggled, but he was on a short leash anyway. He's gotten raw deals in the past. When he was with the Bears he won for them, but they always thought they could do better. When they had the opportunity to deal for Cutler, the Broncos needed a starter in return, so they sent Orton. He's gotten the label of career backup, so they couldn't wait to push him out. At the same time, Tebow got elevated over Quinn (Tebow was 3rd string, but somehow, even though he was terrible in practice, he got the nod). Tebow got the start not because he earned it, but because the team blew a 1st round pick on him and HAD to play him to see what he could do. In his first start against Detroit, running the regular offense, he was pitiful. John Fox couldn't afford to let the loses pile up, so they installed the option offense, similar to what he ran in college, to get the most out of him. They were able to hang close in games for the first 3 1/2 quarters or so, then let Tebow run around and create some plays. The Broncos didn't want to face a full season of that. You have to give Tebow some credit for the wins, but he got lots of help.

Also, if you're going to run that kind of offense, you have to gear your whole offensive roster to it. You need two backups that can run it, because in an offense where your QB is going to get hit a lot, it's highly likely he won't last the whole season, or he'll miss some snaps here and there. Wide receivers and tight ends are virtually useless (decent receivers won't want to sign there, because they won't get the ball). You need smaller, quicker linemen. And when that system doesn't win a SuperBowl, at some point you abandon it. Meaning you have to tear the whole thing down and rebuild with different personnel to run a standard offense. It's a difficult committment to make, knowing you're unlikely to reach your ultimate goal. Also, it's weak to blame Peyton Manning. Denver called HIM and expressed interest, not the other way around. No matter where Manning went, someone was going to lose their job. Also, Manning had 4 surgeries on his neck, fully expecting each to be successful. Before the first surgery last year, he had dealt with neck pain and arm weakness for a few seasons. But he didn't miss a snap. The Colts were kept up to speed throughout. Another thing to remember - Peyton barely missed a snap from the first game of his rookie year (I remember Peyton getting his JAW BROKEN on a nasty hit a few seasons back. I think he missed a play. And he started the following week). His backups NEVER got to play, so none of them were prepared to really play. Jim Sorgi, who was the backup from 2004 to 2010 was released because they didn't want to keep paying someone who never played. They brought in cheaper QBs to back up Manning, never expecting them to play. They brought in Kerry Collins (out of retirement), but he was even less prepared. They were lucky to have a starter that never got hurt, but that also meant you'd be unprepared if the worst happened. Manning is a pro's pro. It's fine to feel bad for Tebow, but to say Manning is greedy or selfish is a stretch.

 

[rearman]

Thoughts on the bounty scandal? My sense is that this is overblown. The bounties seem like a pittance compared to the fines being dished out by the NFL, so I'm not sure how much extra motivation the money gives the defenders. Lying to the league about it was a bigger issue, IMHO.

On the other hand, you have an issue that gets to the integrity of the game - i.e., spygate, and Goodell destroys the evidence before letting people see what was on those tapes, and hands out much smaller penalties than he does for the bounties.

I think the idea that the Saints SB victory is tainted is ridiculous. I don't feel the same way about the Patriots SB victories - as close as those games were, being able to read even one or two of the other team's signals could be the difference.

 

[Timoteo]

The bounty thing isn't overblown in the sense that with the league dealing with player safety/concussion issues, intentionally hurting players has to be dealt with harshly. Think about all of the fines he's levied for accidental hits that have resulted in helmet-to-helmet contact, and how he's punished intentional helmet hits. If you've got guys intentionally doing that, with the endorsement of coaches that are also rewarding it (the amount of money isn't the issue), Goodell HAD to crush that. These kinds of rewards are against league rules and undercut collective bargaining agreements. Also, as you mentioned assman, they were warned previously by the Commissioner, AND lied about knowledge of it continuing. That was also part of the issue around SpyGate - they were warned and ordered to stop, and they did it again anyway. It has always been the goal of knocking QBs out of games, but legally. It has always been the goal of getting big hits and intimidating guys. But this is a new NFL, concerned about getting sued by former players over concussions, etc. On the flip side, this is a violent game by nature, and you can't legislate out certain injuries and all head contact (I mean damn...that's why they wear helmets!). The rule they instituted about hitting QBs above the shoulders and below the knees has severely hampered defenders, but QBs are the glamor boys of the league, and the most important position on the field (however, he instituted the rule when BRADY got his knee shredded, but didn't do shit when a few years before, in a PLAYOFF game, Carson Palmer got his knee torn up on a similar play). The product isn't as good if the stars at the biggest position aren't playing. So yes...product on the field and integrity issues will be dealt with seriously by the Commish.

 

[chyamor]

RE: Good bye, Tebow Time! Hello Manning reloaded!

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--s...ailing-weekly-earnings-in-bounty-scandal.html

league has a copy of a "ledger" that was kept detailing weekly earnings for players.

I dont see any way Gregg Williams is ever let back into the nfl

 

[chyamor]

RE: Good bye, Tebow Time! Hello Manning reloaded!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...pect-tim-tebow-trade-talk-183956709--nfl.html

I kinda feel sorry for the guy. He's never bitched or complained about playing time. Always being positive. He sucks as a QB but maybe he can play a fullback or T.E.