Good relationship 101 resource for women (or men)?

[Max Roscoe]

I recently tried a relationship with a younger woman and was astonished at the poor relationship decisions and choices she would make. Not in her personal life, which could be expected, but just sabotaging herself in the relationship by frequently taking the obviously wrong action when there was a minor problem, thereby turning a small misunderstanding into a major setback.

I thought, gosh, this poor woman needs a Relationship 101 course, just some basic DOs and DONTs but searching online, I found only terrible secular advice (most articles include things like: Date multiple people at once, Consider waiting until after the first date to have sex, etc.

There is Lady, which might be a good idea. But I think it may need to be even more basic than that (ie Talk to your man about your feelings, if you make a mistake, take action to fix it, don't just avoid him, because you think he is mad at you and doesn't want to hear from you, etc).

[The lady in question forgot my birthday and in the following days, fell through on a lot of other obligations / light promises she made to me because she thought I was upset about my birthday and didn't want to hear from her, which of course went from making her look like someone who made a mistake, to someone who is flighty and not reliable / dependable.]

I have often said that Woman is the #1 worst enemy of Woman, meaning they are self-sabotaging, and it really is true, particularly in today's broken families where they dont have good parental role models to refer to and get advice from. Any good sources out there?

Yikes -- Lady is no longer available for purchase. @Roosh I thought this was written post-Christianity so I'm not sure why it's no longer available.

 

[Roosh]

Yikes -- Lady is no longer available for purchase. @Roosh I thought this was written post-Christianity so I'm not sure why it's no longer available.

It was a pre-Christian book (though the Prologue was post). I reviewed it again and thought it wasn't suitable for Christian women.

 

[SpyofMoses]

Not halfway through your post, @Max Roscoe, I thought "Roosh already wrote those," ha.

You're not the first guy to say things like that, and that all comes back to the growing lack of social skills that most people have.
Not sure what else to say, but good luck out there, man.

 

[articulatecool]

The Bible.

 

[OrthoSerb]

The Bible.

The Bible in no way meets the criteria of what the opening poster is looking for. That's like trying to convert a family member with no self awareness about their lack of spiritual life by handing them a Bible and then sitting back thinking it can't fail to work because they have all the facts, there's only one obvious interpretation for everything and they will definitely roll up their sleeves and apply themselves. I think this is a Protestant mindset. Most people who are not somewhat churched in the first place are not ready for the Bible, wouldn't be able to autonomously make sense of most of it and certainly wouldn't be able to discern how it applies to their own life. Especially a naive younger lady making poor decisions in the first place. It's also overkill and somewhat patronising. Most younger people need condensed material (which may include the relevant Biblical citations) with a lot of context and explanation about how it relates to the situation they now find themselves in. They don't have the attention span, critical thinking, self awareness or spiritual motivation/health to benefit from just being handed a Bible.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

I recently tried a relationship with a younger woman and was astonished at the poor relationship decisions and choices she would make. Not in her personal life, which could be expected, but just sabotaging herself in the relationship by frequently taking the obviously wrong action when there was a minor problem, thereby turning a small misunderstanding into a major setback.

I thought, gosh, this poor woman needs a Relationship 101 course, just some basic DOs and DONTs but searching online, I found only terrible secular advice (most articles include things like: Date multiple people at once, Consider waiting until after the first date to have sex, etc.

There is Lady, which might be a good idea. But I think it may need to be even more basic than that (ie Talk to your man about your feelings, if you make a mistake, take action to fix it, don't just avoid him, because you think he is mad at you and doesn't want to hear from you, etc).

[The lady in question forgot my birthday and in the following days, fell through on a lot of other obligations / light promises she made to me because she thought I was upset about my birthday and didn't want to hear from her, which of course went from making her look like someone who made a mistake, to someone who is flighty and not reliable / dependable.]

I have often said that Woman is the #1 worst enemy of Woman, meaning they are self-sabotaging, and it really is true, particularly in today's broken families where they dont have good parental role models to refer to and get advice from. Any good sources out there?

Yikes -- Lady is no longer available for purchase. @Roosh I thought this was written post-Christianity so I'm not sure why it's no longer available.

She probably doesn't care man. Hate it to bring it that way, but if she's young, I assume early 20s or so, she's just ''out there living her life'' and she ain't gonna let someone tell her that what she's doing is wrong and she should change. Why should she? There's 0 incentive in her world to do so, 0 sources that are showing her that things are going wrong, nah she's in her peak, attention from all sides, so you'll probably be seen as a nuisance merely. A woman indeed is self destructive by nature foremost by hypergamy, jumping the ship to another man with the risk of falling between ships, continuous emotional mood swings which lead to terrible judgment and decisions, and attractiveness to the ''wrong men'' who won't be there for her and her security in the long term.

However, does she want to be saved? As outlined, most women if they're young just don't want to be saved. I get it, we men are deductive problem solvers, and you want to solve the problem, but likely she doesn't and doesn't even want to acknowledge the problem. Indeed she probably didn't had any education in what being a woman/girlfriend/wife entails and how to have a succesful, fruitful long term relationship/marriage. But to give sources for that, where can you go.... maybe there's some good TradCon stuff out there, although I'm typically not such a big fan of this movement. But more red pill light conservative sources may be a good first step for her, and from there you can try to take it further into the traditional/religious sphere if she's open for that. Also, you can lead her to some of Rollo Tomassi's work, look for his stuff on feminism for example, that's the more heavy data based analysis of why women are getting off track now & that everything portrayed by the mainstream is a lie detrimental to women in fact, but that may be a bit too much for a start.

 

[Max Roscoe]

However, does she want to be saved? As outlined, most women if they're young just don't want to be saved.

Assuming you don't mean the religious meaning of "saved" I don't particularly care what a woman wants or whether she "cares" to learn this stuff or not. If it's someone I'm interested in, I will present it, and it will either take, or it won't.

Women often want things that are destructive or harmful, or opposed to their own nature. In lieu of fathers or a sane society teaching them the lessons they need to know, I'm looking for another source. I'm not a dad so I don't have experience with this sort of thing, but in a world of broken homes where the majority of marriages end in divorce, and where government and schools have completely abdicated their role in social and moral education, we will have to find another way of shaping someone into a functional human being or else society will simply collapse.

I mean, most of them will probably be lost causes--I can't imagine trying to reform one that had been brainwashed with all the tranny and gay stuff they are teaching now, but if we find a woman we want to attempt a relationship with, I for one would love some resources that will help teach her how to do relationships, how to view marriage, her life goals, etc. It sucks to have to be her dad, but for millions of women out there, no one else is going to do that job.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Assuming you don't mean the religious meaning of "saved" I don't particularly care what a woman wants or whether she "cares" to learn this stuff or not. If it's someone I'm interested in, I will present it, and it will either take, or it won't.

Women often want things that are destructive or harmful, or opposed to their own nature. In lieu of fathers or a sane society teaching them the lessons they need to know, I'm looking for another source. I'm not a dad so I don't have experience with this sort of thing, but in a world of broken homes where the majority of marriages end in divorce, and where government and schools have completely abdicated their role in social and moral education, we will have to find another way of shaping someone into a functional human being or else society will simply collapse.

I mean, most of them will probably be lost causes--I can't imagine trying to reform one that had been brainwashed with all the tranny and gay stuff they are teaching now, but if we find a woman we want to attempt a relationship with, I for one would love some resources that will help teach her how to do relationships, how to view marriage, her life goals, etc. It sucks to have to be her dad, but for millions of women out there, no one else is going to do that job.

Correct, saved as in, changing her course. And indeed most just won't be open to it and will need a good amount of suffering to open them up. It also depends where she is age wise I guess, so a 21 year old will be almost unreachable, but a 29 year old who's starting to feel the reality of her aging coming in will be more open. Now I think about it, what you could probably do best is to show her a few of the TicToc/Youtube videos about women in their late 20s/early 30s crying out in desperation, maybe that can shock them into at least having that datapoint getting with them as they go along and age. Or show her some content about why traditional feminine role is actually beneficial to her. Some channels are Rebecca Barrett and Truefemsapiens, both former feminists/careerists who have turned around 180 and now call out the nonsense they were doing, and the advantages of being married, having kids etc.