Google internal memo on gender gap triggers everyone

Bacchus

Ostrich
Google has to buy into whatever progressive dogma catches on. It gives them cover for their business. If they were a wrong-thinking company with a powerful surveillance apparatus (their business model is surveillance), professional grievance mongers could scare companies into buying fewer ads.

But hey, don't mind the overwhelming hoovering of private data about individuals because Google totally supports rights for trannies and other victim classes.
 

DarkTriad

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Gold Member
balybary said:
Google can guess if you are a man or a woman based on your online activities. Google compiles a lot of data to create a profile of every people who used one of the Google websites, this profiling includes their political orientation.

With all the data of your profile, Google decides which informations are displayed when you make a search on Google, Youtube or other activities you are doing online.

Google will show different informations depending on the gender of the user. But hey, the official speech of Google is that all gender are equal.

Maybe in the future the next Edward Snowden will enlighten us about Google's dirty secrets.

Julian Assange already did - https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/
 

kavi

 
Banned
This is an interesting topic and one I've been quite interested in lately.

I cannot say the author did a good thing or not. Yes, it will be difficult for him to stay at Google or get a job elsewhere but perhaps the satisfaction of not being bullied by a corporation is worth it for him.

Every morning, most of us get up and go to work in a job we may not love for a company we may not love. We do it because there are few other options. We stick to our agreement to do a certain amount of work for a certain amount of compensation. We dont go there for friendships, or political change, nor to change the world for the better.

We submit to our managers authority on work-related matters as that is part of the contract we enter into. If we are told to do our job in such and sucb a way most employees will not argue and will do as told.

The problem occurs when said employer starts to believe their authority extends into the employees personal life. This would include all non-work related topics such as cultural values, family values and political values.

Each worker has a reasonable expectation (right even) to be treated witbh dignity and respect at work. However, once an employer tries to interfere with your personal values and beliefs then this is an attack on personal dignity.

I respect the author in this case, as he did not sit there and take it up the ass, not yet anyway.

In the past I had worked for a company that routinely sent out emails about Womens Networking events, even to me, a male. I never saw a single email about male netwroking events, but thats not even the point. The point is, the company could of easily sent those mails out only to women, so why send it to men too? I seemed to me they wanted to get inside my head and just fuck with me. Because everytime I saw it just brought back all the feminism bullshit we talk about. I dont wanna get distracted at work and think about that stuff. Perhaps its a form of mind control for them.

We also had a regular emails and promotions for a LGBTQ Ally program, whatever that was. I have my own views on sexuality and dont want some corporation telling me whats right and wrong.

I used to see this person every day. A 6 ft well built blonde man in a dress, saying he is married with two children. I dont judge but it makes me feel sick and I dont wanna to deal with seeing/thinking about that shit everyday, becuase the office environment is pretty depressing as it is.

At the end of the day we all have to go to work. Mo employer has the right to bash cultural or religious values into our heads. They are not an authority on that and all employees should be given sufficient dignity such that their personal views are not challenged, because this is not part of the job.

This is going into the space of authoritarian mind-control, and at work to where we cannot ignore it. It is a misuse of power and should be fought by the thinking man.

If I was this guy I wouldnt have written what he write. I would simply have said that though I treat individual on their own merits, I have my own views on male/female characteristics, and there could be any number of reasons why women are under-repped, though I do not wish to discuss my private views with the company. I do not agree that women are necessarily discriminated against and I do not consider Google management to be sufficiently qualified to have an authoritative position on this topic.

Really what should happen is if some manager at work tells you about your cultural values or beliefs, they should get a swift slap.to the head. Because culture is upstream to economics, obviously. This is an affront to basic dignity.
 

kosko

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frenchcorporation said:
As far as the UK, the smart black people I know, go into more "tradtional" smart people roles, like law, medicine, mech/electrical/chem engineering etc.

Which is due to most of us being 1st/2nd generation immigrants, & these career paths being more straightforward and stable. Our parents push us into a few fields, hence why there arent many black people in tech, proportional to our numbers in the UK.

Shit, when I was a kid my mother told me to stop messing around with computers, otherwise I'd "never get a good job"

Also, I woudnt even want to work somewhere where I was hired preferentially just because I was black. I'd be taken less seriously by my colleagues, consciously or unconciously, & my fragile male ego couldnt handle that.

It's also about prestige. Nobody cares about the 3rd in command programmer at Google who talks at SV conferences a few times a year. Everyone knows, who MR DOCTOR M.D. is, everyone knows who a Lawyer is and there is a automatic branding and prestige factor associated with it. Black folks like that prestige factor as you get to wear your hard work daily. You don't get that prestige in tech, you work for Google.. okay cool... Outside of SV and some circles nobody will know who you are or understand what you do. Everyone at a basic level understands what a Doctor or Lawyer does even if the specialization is as exotic and random as you can get.

So for all those who moan "no black people in tech" this won't change until Tech gets cool. It will get cool once you get rid of faggy autistics and soy boys who command legions of brainy nondescript Asian mental monkeys. This is slowly starting to change as kids are noticing you can learn code, and right out of HS get a nice paying job with an easy track to six figures if you see good at it. Kids in the hood are slowly ditching sports and music as get rich schemes and looking at technology, we will just need a few folks to make it cool before it explodes with the kids.

This won't include SV which is just a large camp for weirdos. A cook wave of new tech will jump off in places like Atalanta, London UK, Houston, Miami where you will get a mix of different types of people and a base of money and wealth to find it all.

As for the ladies... They could start anything and have money poured on them, few do it as few don't want to.
 

RatInTheWoods

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Internal article circulated at work today describing how gender rep gap in SW is due to biological differences btwn men/women.
— Sarah Adams (@sadams007) August 4, 2017

Would you like to arm wrestle, Sarah?
 

Blaster

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Gold Member
El Chinito loco said:
The number of times i've encountered a woman who is really knowledgeable about tech (or any other technical field) in real life: Zero.

I've encountered a decent number, including some college professors. Some were Chinese and many were Indian. Though as the author of the Google memo wrote, female representation dwindles the deeper into the technological "boiler room" you go. It's a peculiar type of person, usually a man, who gets a thrill out of optimizing database queries.
 

Shepherd

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Disco_Volante said:
The sugar-coated, sweet cupcake buzzwords the left gets you to bite into, once bitten, quickly turn into ugly totalitarian mandatory policies that shut down reason or thought.

Poor saps like this find out the hard way it was never about compassion, equality, science, or any of that. They want complete control and submission of your life, they were never interested in improvement or science or problem solving.

A corporation is like a microcosm of the overall cyclical nature of a civilization.

Most start-ups begin with a noble idea and require a tremendous amount of time and economic self-sacrifice (pioneers), but then the original idea and sense of duty/sacrifice (the culture) is gradually replaced by the motivation to make even more money (commerce), and then eventually the profits gained must be protected at all costs, resulting in the willingness to sacrifice any sort of ideal, virtue, or culture for personal gain. (decadence)
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Other Christian
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^
It's even worse when the order of the day is social justice.

I recall a reference to a big IT company whereby, engineer types created & setup the company.
Yet when it came to expansion & marketing, the engineer types being out of their depth; hired marketing type folk & quietly returned to their engineering desks.
The engineer types not being focused on status nor promotions, simply tinkered away in the corner...

Over time, the directors & managers were no longer being drawn form the engineers.
The very people who provide the company with purpose.

No, the directors & managers became derived more & more from the marketing & HR folk.
Folk much more eager for wealth, status & success.

So in time the focus of the company shifts from providing a solid & reliable product.
To shiny, superficial shite geared towards exciting the simple minded masses.
Plus, the marketing folk feel it best to advertise the company as being socially conscious & politically correct.

At that point as we all know, it's a downward spiral as genuine profit loses emphasis to social justice.
 

Delta

Kingfisher
Just once I would love to see an attempt at a rational counterargument against something like this. I honestly can't comprehend how a functioning person could make it to adulthood without observing that there are innate differences between the male and female brain, and I would legitimately like to learn the rationale behind such beliefs.

It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Other Christian
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Delta said:
Just once I would love to see an attempt at a rational counterargument against something like this. I honestly can't comprehend how a functioning person could make it to adulthood without observing that there are innate differences between the male and female brain, and I would legitimately like to learn the rationale behind such beliefs.

It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

I'd imagine part of it would be their reluctance to acknowledge their shortcomings.
Their fragile little egos wouldn't be able to handle such a thing.

After-all, mommy & daddy said they were such special little hero's & princesses...
 

stugatz

Pelican
Catholic
I swear I got the hugest boner reading the butthurt reactions of the other Google employees. Oh man. This is the best timeline ever.

Just think...people can be open dissenters while working for Google...maybe they can be in academia or the State Department, too. Soon, my friends.
 

TooFineAPoint

Ostrich
Protestant
Delta said:
It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

Highly educated does not equal intellectual.

Especially in an age where formal education is demanded for everyone as a human right.

It's almost like saying "able to breathe = physically fit".

I find it shocking how smart some of these kids think they are when they get their masters in a field I could teach myself with a few months of weekend trips to a library.

[edit: I meant the humanities, not coding at Google]
 

CynicalContrarian

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Latest from Voxday :

First, I'm not applauding the official Google response. Their position is intrinsically and observably absurd; the fact that they are managing to refrain from digging themselves in deeper by going on a witch hunt and burning one of their employees at the stake is merely an indication that someone in the Google executive team possesses at least a minimal amount of common sense. If you want to provide a platform for everyone, then you obviously have to give up any ambitions of playing thought police.

Second, we can see that Google's SJWs are starting to get nervous as evidence of their internal thought-policing begins to leak out into the public. And never forget, they genuinely believe that they are better-educated, as well as our moral and intellectual superiors, because Google only hires the smartest, best-educated people, right? You would almost feel sorry for the executives who have to deal with this nonsense, until you stop and think, what else could have possibly resulted from their decision to hire SJWs and prioritize diversity?

However, the way in which the SJWs immediately go to no-platforming as an ideal response underlines my oft-repeated point about the importance of building and supporting our own platforms.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/08/all-heads-of-medusa.html
 

puckerman

Ostrich
Does anyone out there want to talk about age discrimination at places like Google? I am 46 years old and have in this god forsaken business for 19 years. I have a 135 IQ and got a 790 on the SAT in math. I am willing to bet you guys anything that I could never get a job there.

Based on this, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is sexism there. I work in this industry. I know that most of the managers in this business are fucking dickheads, especially the ones at techie companies.

I am not saying there will ever be lots of women in this field. Most women would rather do jobs that involve working with people than working with ones and zeroes.
 

Delta

Kingfisher
TooFineAPoint said:
Delta said:
It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

Highly educated does not equal intellectual.

Especially in an age where formal education is demanded for everyone as a human right.

It's almost like saying "able to breathe = physically fit".

I find it shocking how smart some of these kids think they are when they get their masters in a field I could teach myself with a few months of weekend trips to a library.

[edit: I meant the humanities, not coding at Google]

That's true, but it's not like it's strictly people with bullshit humanities degrees who get outraged over thought crimes like this. Even Google programmers, who undeniably have IQs into the stratosphere, seem pretty keen to pile on the outrage.

I'm too tired to go into depth, but I suspect it ultimately stems from their desire to fit in and be well-liked overpowering their desire to be correct.
 
El Chinito loco said:
The number of times i've encountered a woman who is really knowledgeable about tech (or any other technical field) in real life: Zero.

I've met many women that are very good at math. I'm talking publishing papers on topics that are very difficult to understand for someone who doesn't have years and years of training in math. That level requires discipline, dedication. I'd give up.

In tech ... I don't see women killing it in tech for some reason, although of course there are women that are doing a good job. I think tech can get aggressive and competitive and it's difficult for women to handle that.

The guy that wrote that memo is dumb though. He's getting fired. I bet if he knew that his article would go out and become viral, he wouldn't do it. As was seen with Uber, this stuff can shake companies seriously, I bet a lot of people inside Google are pissed off and scared about what's going to happen. Twitter already censored the "#GoogleManifesto" hashtag.
 

TooFineAPoint

Ostrich
Protestant
Delta said:
TooFineAPoint said:
Delta said:
It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

Highly educated does not equal intellectual.

Especially in an age where formal education is demanded for everyone as a human right.

It's almost like saying "able to breathe = physically fit".

I find it shocking how smart some of these kids think they are when they get their masters in a field I could teach myself with a few months of weekend trips to a library.

[edit: I meant the humanities, not coding at Google]

That's true, but it's not like it's strictly people with bullshit humanities degrees who get outraged over thought crimes like this. Even Google programmers, who undeniably have IQs into the stratosphere, seem pretty keen to pile on the outrage.

I'm too tired to go into depth, but I suspect it ultimately stems from their desire to fit in and be well-liked overpowering their desire to be correct.

Definitely that has to be a part of it.

Probably also from the tunnel vision of thinking that since you are good at / know one thing well, you have the answer to all things.

And the desire to want to direct / fix people as if they were a set of plumbing pipes.
 

Blaster

Ostrich
Gold Member
Delta said:
Just once I would love to see an attempt at a rational counterargument against something like this. I honestly can't comprehend how a functioning person could make it to adulthood without observing that there are innate differences between the male and female brain, and I would legitimately like to learn the rationale behind such beliefs.

It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

Seriously. Vox has a point when he says rhetoric speakers literally can not read a dialectic. They're psychologically incapable of even understanding, much less responding in a sane reasonable way.
 
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