Government should pay women to date losers

[le tigre]

"Government should pay women to date losers."

We already have that. It's called welfare.

Post of the thread.





More seriously, I don't think they need to pay women to date losers. Just decriminalize prostitution. The amount of bullshit that accompanies unpaid sex would greatly diminish. Market forces.

 

[le tigre]

There are some good men that are incels just because of bad circumstances(ex. my future doc friend) that shouldn't be labeled as 'hopeless omega losers' by some dipshit that calls himself 'Scorpion', they deserve respect because some of them will grow up to be valuable members of society, and good beta male husbands(which are the glue to society), so treating and labeling them as genetic failures is absurd. I can tell you see yourself as a big deal, trust me, you're not, get over yourself.

Exactly, Don. These are the real alphas ("tall, good looking, fit, and smart" doctor), the kind of people who built this crumbling civilization.

Not some self-promoting pickup artist wearing a fuzzy hat and spouting routines.

 

[scorpion]

Don, you are comically insecure. I'm not specifically calling you and your friends those names. Those posts were not aimed at you or them in particular. If you feel threatened and offended by terms like "evolutionary failure", "hopeless", "unfitness" and "omega", that speaks to your self-identification as a person (or as the friend of a person) who meets those descriptions.

In other words, the problem isn't with what I'm saying, it's with your perception of what I'm saying.

Really, I don't think you're cut out for this place if you're that sensitive. We like to speak the truth here (as we see it, at least) and don't like to hold back to preserve the feelings of weepy-eyed chodes. I wouldn't be disappointed if you never posted again. If you think I'm a dick I encourage you to place me on ignore.

 

[JimNortonFan]

Scorpion,

I basically agree with you about the 10:80:10 thing but the issue isn't that only 10% of incompetent guys are being cut out. The percentage grows every year.

You may be thinking Dungeons and Dragons playing omegas should be cut from the gene pool. That's fine. The problem is that it's evolving to where only alpha and faux alpha (barbed wire tattoo types) can score. Check out the latest date lab thread with the Dr. who got rejected for not being flirtatious enough. This is a quality guy who is too good for the woman who rejected him. She will be begging for a guy like him once she hits the wall.

We're not just talking about getting some, nor pure biology. It's an issue of reproducing societies that can function. If you're one of the guys who's written that off and is enjoying the decline I'm wasting my time typing this, it's just I've never seen you post anything to that effect so I don't know where you stand on having any hope for things getting better.

 

[Don]

Don, you are comically insecure. I'm not specifically calling you and your friends those names. Those posts were not aimed at you or them in particular. If you feel threatened and offended by terms like "evolutionary failure", "hopeless", "unfitness" and "omega", that speaks to your self-identification as a person (or as the friend of a person) who meets those descriptions.

In other words, the problem isn't with what I'm saying, it's with your perception of what I'm saying.

Really, I don't think you're cut out for this place if you're that sensitive. We like to speak the truth here (as we see it, at least) and don't like to hold back to preserve the feelings of weepy-eyed chodes. I wouldn't be disappointed if you never posted again. If you think I'm a dick I encourage you to place me on ignore.

I'm not offended, threatened, or 'weepy-eyed', pumpkin. With every post you make, you just further validate my point. I made an argument in my last post, that you completely ignored just to attack me, yet again. I will not ignore you, because I wouldn't waste that time. I also don't care if you think i'm 'cut out for this place'. Your posts are just mental diarrhea aimed at different people that happen to cross your path at that particular point in time, you add no value, and you're obviously unable to discuss an abstract concept in an objective matter, and that makes you, in my opinion, not 'cut out for this place'.

 

[bacon]

Your posts are just mental diarrhea aimed at different people that happen to cross your path at that particular point in time, you add no value, and you're obviously unable to discuss an abstract concept in an objective matter, and that makes you, in my opinion, not 'cut out for this place'.

Don,scorpins posts were not personal attacks you are the one reading into them that way. Frankly I dont see why you are so emotionally invested in the sex lives of friends you no longer are in contact with.

 

[Vitriol]

Scorpion,

I basically agree with you about the 10:80:10 thing but the issue isn't that only 10% of incompetent guys are being cut out. The percentage grows every year.

You may be thinking Dungeons and Dragons playing omegas should be cut from the gene pool. That's fine. The problem is that it's evolving to where only alpha and faux alpha (barbed wire tattoo types) can score. Check out the latest date lab thread with the Dr. who got rejected for not being flirtatious enough. This is a quality guy who is too good for the woman who rejected him. She will be begging for a guy like him once she hits the wall.

We're not just talking about getting some, nor pure biology. It's an issue of reproducing societies that can function. If you're one of the guys who's written that off and is enjoying the decline I'm wasting my time typing this, it's just I've never seen you post anything to that effect so I don't know where you stand on having any hope for things getting better.

I think this is an important point to take note of. We live in a time where women are becoming increasingly delusional and placing extremely dysfunctional and unrealistic expectations on men. The culture around these women also tells them that "they're worth it" and "never settle" and lots of other similar bullshit. What this has created in practice is a generation of women going through life with the idea that "no one is good enough for me."
With such strong cultural conditioning that tells women they can have it all and they're never wrong, we have a surplus of spinsters who are going to nuture their delusions all the way to the grave because no one had the balls to tell them how detached from reality they are.

 

[Don]

Don,scorpins posts were not personal attacks you are the one reading into them that way. Frankly I dont see why you are so emotionally invested in the sex lives of friends you no longer are in contact with.

This is the name calling and personal attacks i'm talking about. This came after I told him that I don't agree and that i find his comment devoid of value.

This is a forum for men, Don. If you want to cry about being offended by the stark expression of the harsh truths of the sexual marketplace maybe you should point your browser to Jezebel. Frankly, I don't give a fuck about your hurt feelings, or how upset you are by the incontrovertible assertion that your friends will be by definition evolutionary failures if they don't reproduce. I don't write posts with the express intention of making Don feel good about his friends. If you object to the argument I presented I encourage you to submit a counterargument of your own rather than vomit up some drivel about how offended you are, like some aggrieved woman who takes everything personally.

The entire point of my argument, which you somehow glossed over, probably due to the distraction of your misty-eyed, homo-erotic recollections of your old friends, was that nature doesn't care how tall, or smart or good-looking people are if they can't figure out how to reproduce. Their positive qualities will most likely exit the gene pool if they lack the all-important ability to sheath their dick in a vagina with regularity. You may find that a disgusting truth, but it's a truth nonetheless.

Don, you are comically insecure. I'm not specifically calling you and your friends those names. Those posts were not aimed at you or them in particular. If you feel threatened and offended by terms like "evolutionary failure", "hopeless", "unfitness" and "omega", that speaks to your self-identification as a person (or as the friend of a person) who meets those descriptions.

In other words, the problem isn't with what I'm saying, it's with your perception of what I'm saying.

Really, I don't think you're cut out for this place if you're that sensitive. We like to speak the truth here (as we see it, at least) and don't like to hold back to preserve the feelings of weepy-eyed chodes. I wouldn't be disappointed if you never posted again. If you think I'm a dick I encourage you to place me on ignore.

So to make myself clear, I was not offended by what he said in his original post, but by his blatant personal attacks that followed, after I simply stated my opinion and my counter-argument.

 

[Matt Forney]

I find it unbelievable that neither the HuffPo article nor anyone else have pointed out that the governmentsgetgirlfriends guy is a complete, frothing at the mouth psycho. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say he might become the next George Sodini.

Exhibit A: he's openly implying that he will go on a killing spree if the government doesn't get him laid:

Let me tell you something. You know very well that if they do not help me there is probable chance that multiple people will die one day if I don’t find a gf. It’s just human. THEY DIDN’T DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHIT. WHERE IS MY GIRLFRIEND ???!!! I shouted at police “FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND ME A GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILRFRIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND, GET IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT ??????????????!!!!!!!” when I was protesting too.

GET THEM TO FIND ME A GIRLFRIEND. YOU UNDERSTAND ???!!!!

Those who don’t do that deserve to have their cocks or ovaries removed without anesthesia and flammable liquid poured in those bloody holes. Their children deserve nothing more than to be hanged in front of theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem.

Exhibit B: he tried to get his mother to let him fuck her, and when she refused, he attacked her and was arrested:

3. My mother, the murderous whore, is refusing to have sex with me when that could alleviate my sexual frustration.

4. When, in righteous indignation, I finally attacked those beasts and managed to beat the shit out of them I was the one that was reported to the police, and not these murderous animals. Only good they ever did was that they later refused to testify against me.

I was discussing this guy with Bronan and a couple others a few months back; I don't have the links now, but the GGG guy has been on incel forums for years, so there's no way he's a troll. His only saving grace is that he's Croatian; if he lived in an English-speaking country, he'd be in jail right now.

I think calling on the police is a bitch move in most instance, but this guy really does deserve to be in prison, or in a mental institution. A violent lunatic like this guy could never get laid in any society. He's the kind of genetic refuse who would have been euthanized or sent on walkabout in centuries past.

 

[Samseau]

But the article is talking about incels, not deformed weirdo's. Most incel's are not seriously deformed or physically broken in any way. Most incel's just had a shitty childhood.

I think it's mostly psychological problems that limit omegas/incels more than physical deformities. I'm sure some of that is attributable to childhood issues as you point out. Some of it is also just genetic. These are the guys who are just hopeless from a social perspective for whatever reason.

But the forces that created their psychological issues are the same forces that created their shitty childhood which are the same forces that created feminism and the millions of sluts we have today.

Thus your original claim,

These "incels" (or more accurately, hopeless omega losers) need to realize that they aren't entitled to any female attention.

Makes no sense. Why shouldn't people who've been cheated by society not feel entitled to something they cheated out of?

 

[scorpion]

Lol what an unbelievable chode this guy is. I don't come here to argue with absolute fucking losers who feel the need to white knight for their celibate friends and get butthurt when the insults they lob get thrown right back at them.

Don, you're welcome to keep playing the victim and shitting up the forum with your whining until you receive a mercy banning. I'll have to hear about it second hand though, because I'm going to spare myself from reading any more of your bitch-made, garbage posting with judicious use of the ignore button.

 

[2Wycked]

I find it unbelievable that neither the HuffPo article nor anyone else have pointed out that the governmentsgetgirlfriends guy is a complete, frothing at the mouth psycho. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say he might become the next George Sodini.

Exhibit A: he's openly implying that he will go on a killing spree if the government doesn't get him laid:

Let me tell you something. You know very well that if they do not help me there is probable chance that multiple people will die one day if I don’t find a gf. It’s just human. THEY DIDN’T DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHIT. WHERE IS MY GIRLFRIEND ???!!! I shouted at police “FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND ME A GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILRFRIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND, GET IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT ??????????????!!!!!!!” when I was protesting too.

GET THEM TO FIND ME A GIRLFRIEND. YOU UNDERSTAND ???!!!!

Those who don’t do that deserve to have their cocks or ovaries removed without anesthesia and flammable liquid poured in those bloody holes. Their children deserve nothing more than to be hanged in front of theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem.

Exhibit B: he tried to get his mother to let him fuck her, and when she refused, he attacked her and was arrested:

3. My mother, the murderous whore, is refusing to have sex with me when that could alleviate my sexual frustration.

4. When, in righteous indignation, I finally attacked those beasts and managed to beat the shit out of them I was the one that was reported to the police, and not these murderous animals. Only good they ever did was that they later refused to testify against me.

I was discussing this guy with Bronan and a couple others a few months back; I don't have the links now, but the GGG guy has been on incel forums for years, so there's no way he's a troll. His only saving grace is that he's Croatian; if he lived in an English-speaking country, he'd be in jail right now.

I think calling on the police is a bitch move in most instance, but this guy really does deserve to be in prison, or in a mental institution. A violent lunatic like this guy could never get laid in any society. He's the kind of genetic refuse who would have been euthanized or sent on walkabout in centuries past.

Wow, that dude is fucked in the head - the govt killing spree was crazy and very disturbing.....but that motherfucking post? That is beyond fucked up. All I read was the page from OP, but I'm glad I didn't go through his posts.

 

[esperar]

This guy begged his mother to have sex with him by the way. He is nuts.

[Edit] Already pointed out.

Also, it's not surprising that the feminists are out there kicking the shit out of a mentally ill man. I thought they were supposed to be compassionate?

 

[Ziltoid]

While the author of this blog is clearly hopelessly insane, on the whole, I do not view incels as suffering from "gross evolutionary unfitness" for being unable to access pussy. If anything, I would say they're fairly normal (and that, is a very sad statement)...
Some may have had shitty childhoods or toxic parents, some may have a genetic predispostion for anxiety/depression/sperg, but most are just the product of a society that is rigged against their healthy masculine development at every turn.

To me, it's akin to being raised in a highly religious household; how many people eventually manage to break free of that? You instill certain values and "truths" into a kid at such a young impressionable age, and they're very likely to remain there forever.

Now, instead of just two religious parents, amplify that influence as being prettymuch the entire society you grow up in.

To my mind, a lot of these poor fucks are just casualties who never stood a chance.

 

[DarkTriad]

These "incels" (or more accurately, hopeless omega losers) need to realize that they aren't entitled to any female attention. If, for whatever reason, you have completely failed at attracting the opposite sex, that is nature's way of informing you that your genetic package is unfit for reproduction.

Why should an omega loser have any access to pussy? Pussy ain't free. You've got to work for it one way or another. If a man cannot successfully achieve access to pussy, why the fuck would any woman want to mix her genes with his defective Y chromosomes? It's a sign of gross evolutionary unfitness if a man cannot find some way to access pussy. A woman would have to be out of her mind to want anything to do with a loser like that, because she'd be handicapping her children's chances of reproduction by mixing her genes with those of an unfit man.

This is the reason that women absolutely despise lower betas/omegas. Their hatred runs so deep that these men are, in effect, totally invisible to the average woman. That's by design. The male sex is nature's laboratory. The Y chromosome evolves the fastest out of any human genome, because of this very phenomenon. Fit men mate. Weak men are ignored.

Nature doesn't give a fuck if you are short or tall, muscular or weak, etc....at the end of the day all that matters is if you're able to get your dick wet, because that's the only way your genes get a ticket to the next generation. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve a ride, and you sure as fuck don't deserve big daddy government to lend you a helping hand just to get your nut off.

Disagree with everything posted above. There is no such thing as someone who deserves to get laid. There is no such thing as someone who does not deserve to get laid. There is no morality of sex.

The idea that women choose mates based on fitness is also laughable. Women fuck losers over successful men everyday. I know tons of doctors, programmers, lawyers, engineers, who can't get sex to save their lives.

The Huffington Post article raises a good point - there is no reason why women should have sex with one man or another. Women are merely attracted to the "winners," so if the government, as the head alpha male, suddenly declares men who are socially useful as the "winners" and give large subsidies for them to spend on dating women then it would be good for society writ large as there would be strong sexual incentives for men to do socially productive work.

This idea is not without historical precedence, either, as Ancient Athens used to have state subsidized prostitution for any male citizen, on top of the vast array of female (or male) sex slaves they could purchase, on top of the many marriage options the average man back then had. In Ancient Sparta, successful soldiers were the ones who got the most sex as well.

In Rome, victorious soldiers would be paraded around the city as a massive boost to their value, thereby guaranteeing their sexual success. This also used to occur in America before the Vietnam War. (One of the many reasons why vets of WW2 and Korea actually were successful in life compared to the homeless broken vets of Vietnam and after.)

The strong do what they can while the weak suffer what they must. If a state wishes to promote the sexual success of one group of men over another, then that's totally within the prerogative of the state since they have the power to do so. That's why the mark of a healthy state is one that promotes the interests of it's most useful men while doing its best to marginalize the bums and criminals.

"The idea that women choose mates based on fitness is also laughable. Women fuck losers over successful men everyday. I know tons of doctors, programmers, lawyers, engineers, who can't get sex to save their lives."

Modern civilized society is a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. They are indeed going after the guys/behaviors that would have been successful in a tribe of baboons. Horrible for a civilized society, but you can see where it comes from.

 

[All or Nothing]

Lol what an unbelievable chode this guy is. I don't come here to argue with absolute fucking losers who feel the need to white knight for their celibate friends and get butthurt when the insults they lob get thrown right back at them.

Don, you're welcome to keep playing the victim and shitting up the forum with your whining until you receive a mercy banning. I'll have to hear about it second hand though, because I'm going to spare myself from reading any more of your bitch-made, garbage posting with judicious use of the ignore button.

scorpion your incensed language does nothing to help your argument. It only rallies people who already see things the way you do. What I don't understand is why you are using emotionally charged language at the drop of a hat. While Don's acting like a victim makes his argument weaker, foaming at the mouth has the same negative effect.

Also, it seems that you look at the "sexual marketplace" like it is something static. The exact opposite is true. People move up and down the ladder of attractiveness all the time. Someone who is an "omega" can move on to fuck many attractive women in his lifetime.

A great example of this is from the seeking arrangement thread: http://observer.com/2013/03/the-hebrew-hammer/?show=all. The man was a virgin till he was 26 and yet he ended up fucking 50 women in a year.

 

[ghostdog]

Just bring back the damn patriarchy already.

 

[A War You Cannot Win]

I can't wait to read the pending news article when he finally snaps and murders/cannibalizes/rapes/taxidermies a bunch of women. This is a hilarious disaster dying to happen.

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

His only saving grace is that he's Croatian

Oh god... my country makes the news... only for it to be in this fashion?

:facepalm:

That said, our sexual marketplace is extremely steeply angled, close to that of USA or UK, so I can easily see how it can produce disturbed people like this. If only he learns game before it's too late.... I better finish that book quick, maybe I'll save lives.

 

[Josornio300]

Not having sex and living in a feminist society can do this to a man. This poor sod never had a chance.