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<blockquote data-quote="JayJuanGee" data-source="post: 390248" data-attributes="member: 5330"><p>If you have polls then you should cite where those polls are from and what was the question. You are making me have to repeat in some sense. There was already a vote and Obama care was passed as legislation, and this is better said by HC:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>About politics, mumbo jumbo. A week or two of shut down would be more than just it is all about politics.. A week or two of shut down would have major impacts on the US people and the world perceptions of the US.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are using buzz word which appear like you are not really thinking this through and you are just throwing out talking points about "liberal media".. Generally, the media is not liberal.. they use those kinds of buzz words on Fox news that the media is liberal... Also, earlier you used the term socialist health care or something. These ideas are not really thought through but instead are inflammatory buzz words that stifle meaningful communications about these kinds of important topics.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That message about the govt does not do anything to help you would be a message that the anti-government segments including the radical tea party supporters would like to be the take home message. Maybe you would be correct that having the government shut down for two weeks would not be missed? but I seem to doubt it, and the govt serves people, and those people vote.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not claim to be any pro or anti-Obama;however, your explanation seems to be quite short-sighted and attempting to suggest that Obama is the only politician who has caused the US Govt to spend money over the years. And, why debate about that while under the barrel of a metaphoric gun? </p><p></p><p>The US government has plenty of money, and the fact that the US govt has been throwing trillions at the banks shows that the US has plenty of money and should have plenty of money to maintain various social programs and services that are essential to government that private sector will not provide so we can live in a civilized society rather than merely having rich people with luxuries and no more american middle class.... do we want to live in a banana republic? I would prefer not to at least during my lifetime. Anyhow the whole situation seems to be a mess, and your comments seem to make the description of the mess more confusing rather than less confusing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sometimes when we are thinking about what is good for society, we have to think beyond just ourselves in the short-term. Industrialized societies should provide basics, such as medical coverage, and yes, some of us have different opinions about this. Medical care and coverage is not just personal responsibility... it's a social good that would probably also be good for US business to have a medical infrastructure in place that generally covers all people. </p><p></p><p>Basic for everyone and, yes the rich can still buy extra bonuses (if we care about that)</p><p></p><p>OH... and BTW Bacon.. .aren't you living in Mexico? Isn't it a sad state of affairs that many Americans feel that they have to travel to Mexico to get better health care? and prescriptions? We should not have to do that. We should be able to get our medial care in the USA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JayJuanGee, post: 390248, member: 5330"] If you have polls then you should cite where those polls are from and what was the question. You are making me have to repeat in some sense. There was already a vote and Obama care was passed as legislation, and this is better said by HC: About politics, mumbo jumbo. A week or two of shut down would be more than just it is all about politics.. A week or two of shut down would have major impacts on the US people and the world perceptions of the US. You are using buzz word which appear like you are not really thinking this through and you are just throwing out talking points about "liberal media".. Generally, the media is not liberal.. they use those kinds of buzz words on Fox news that the media is liberal... Also, earlier you used the term socialist health care or something. These ideas are not really thought through but instead are inflammatory buzz words that stifle meaningful communications about these kinds of important topics. That message about the govt does not do anything to help you would be a message that the anti-government segments including the radical tea party supporters would like to be the take home message. Maybe you would be correct that having the government shut down for two weeks would not be missed? but I seem to doubt it, and the govt serves people, and those people vote. I do not claim to be any pro or anti-Obama;however, your explanation seems to be quite short-sighted and attempting to suggest that Obama is the only politician who has caused the US Govt to spend money over the years. And, why debate about that while under the barrel of a metaphoric gun? The US government has plenty of money, and the fact that the US govt has been throwing trillions at the banks shows that the US has plenty of money and should have plenty of money to maintain various social programs and services that are essential to government that private sector will not provide so we can live in a civilized society rather than merely having rich people with luxuries and no more american middle class.... do we want to live in a banana republic? I would prefer not to at least during my lifetime. Anyhow the whole situation seems to be a mess, and your comments seem to make the description of the mess more confusing rather than less confusing. Sometimes when we are thinking about what is good for society, we have to think beyond just ourselves in the short-term. Industrialized societies should provide basics, such as medical coverage, and yes, some of us have different opinions about this. Medical care and coverage is not just personal responsibility... it's a social good that would probably also be good for US business to have a medical infrastructure in place that generally covers all people. Basic for everyone and, yes the rich can still buy extra bonuses (if we care about that) OH... and BTW Bacon.. .aren't you living in Mexico? Isn't it a sad state of affairs that many Americans feel that they have to travel to Mexico to get better health care? and prescriptions? We should not have to do that. We should be able to get our medial care in the USA. [/QUOTE]
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