Greek Orthodox Church

DanielH

Pelican
The synod of Constantinople has decided to transfer Metropolitan Evangelos of New Jersey to some defunct diocese in Turkey, and has suspended Metropolitan Methodios of Boston at the behest of Archbishop Elpidophoros. Archbishop Elpidophoros will absorb their dioceses for the time being. This is likely due to the Metropolitans refusal to use multiple communion spoons.

The silver lining is that with Metropolitan Evangelos being transferred directly to the EP, he now gets a seat on the synod, effectively making the entire EP more conservative.
 

nagareboshi

Woodpecker
Maybe what Black America needs isn't more race-hustling rhetoric and noisy loudmouths fanning the flames of antagonism, but Ethiopian Orthodox missionaries.

agreed, African Americans becoming orthodox is what we need in society. I had previously hoped The Weeknd would encourage it but he probably is forbidden by his masters from doing it.

also St Moses the Black was actually a sub Saharan African.
 

Laus Deo

Pigeon
Something is going on with the Greek Orthodox Church.

1. Australian diocese purchased $6.5 million home for archbishop.
There’s been a follow up to this. Not only is the Archbishop living in this $6.5m home despite previous claims he wasn’t, but a $3m renovation was done before he moved in. He also has vanity licence plates on his car.

Now bear in mind the report is from the quasi-communist national broadcaster in Australia so bias could be present. However there clearly is a level of materialism present that was not seen in this Archbishop’s predecessor.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/st-basils-greek-church-taxpayer-funding/100068128
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Kingfisher
From "TO BE BLACK AND ORTHODOX: PART OF MY STORY":

"Being an Orthodox Christian, I see myself as transcending America’s ignorant defining wall of race and embracing the ancient sense of being both black and Christian."

"How is it possible to maintain a strong black identity in this white church? As I have written in a previous article, the Orthodox Church is the white church that is not. Much of its spirituality comes from the teachings of the Desert Fathers of the Nile Valley."

"Being Orthodox, I am opposing the American Protestantism which ignores the history and wisdom of the African saints."

"Just as Malcolm X urged black Americans to look beyond the struggle of national Civil Rights and bring our struggles into the realm of worldwide human rights, I have brought my faith to the older and broader Church. I pray my friend will see this and, in God’s time and way, come home to Orthodoxy. I pray others will do likewise."

John R. Gresham, Jr. conflates the "African" desert fathers with African-Americans. According to modern geography, Egypt and Sinai may be on the continent of Africa but in reality it is an extension of the Levant. I don't think anyone would truly call the desert fathers "black." He also suggests that being Orthodox is in line with the tenants of social and racial justice. Talk about promoting your own agenda.
At least one Desert Father, St. Moses the Black, was in fact a black man.
 
There’s been a follow up to this. Not only is the Archbishop living in this $6.5m home despite previous claims he wasn’t, but a $3m renovation was done before he moved in. He also has vanity licence plates on his car.

Now bear in mind the report is from the quasi-communist national broadcaster in Australia so bias could be present. However there clearly is a level of materialism present that was not seen in this Archbishop’s predecessor.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/st-basils-greek-church-taxpayer-funding/100068128
I think your second paragraph is more relevant here than your first.

Archbishop Makarios banned two Labor (i.e. left-wing) politicians of Greek ancestry from Greek national day celebrations because they supported abortion up till birth. The Greek Orthodox Church is one of the few consistent voices in Australia of any influence that continues to defend traditional marriage and oppose abortion.

Now the commissars of the media are out to get Archbishop Makarios and his church. This is typical Soviet Union-era misrepresentation and slander; for instance, implying that the Archbishop is living in luxury because he drives a seven year old, mid-priced car (probably now worth around $AUD23,000 ($US 18,000)) and wears traditional liturgical vestments. Meanwhile David Anderson, the managing director of the taxpayer-funded ABC news corporation that is spreading this calumny, has a salary that exceeds $1 million a year. After Archbishop Makarios is gone, the church will still own the apartment; the taxpayer neither benefits from nor will ever again see Mr. Anderson's salary.

We should not assist the enemies of the church, fleshly and spiritual, by spreading slander and engaging in cheap denunciations. Discern the spirits. Is it the Holy Spirit that is prompting you to spread slander against the church, promoted by a news organization you yourself recognize as "quasi-communist"---or is it another spirit? Are you acting in humility, charity, and truth in amplifying the attacks on a hierarch of the church, who has been a monk for 28 years, and is prepared to maintain public witness for the Church's teaching on controversial topics, however unpopular that teaching might be?

On what basis are you passing judgment on Archbishop Makarios that "there clearly is a level of materialism present that was not seen in this Archbishop's predecessor"? Because he has personalized number plates? Do you then have superior knowledge to that of Father Eusebios, of Pantanassa monastery, who says that the archbishop's car "always had personalised number plates"---including under his predecessor?
 

Laus Deo

Pigeon
Archbishop Makarios banned two Labor (i.e. left-wing) politicians of Greek ancestry from Greek national day celebrations because they supported abortion up till birth. The Greek Orthodox Church is one of the few consistent voices in Australia of any influence that continues to defend traditional marriage and oppose abortion.
I wholeheartedly agree; Archbishop Makarios’ direct stance against the NSW Government in particular on abortion was powerful and highly moving.
Now the commissars of the media are out to get Archbishop Makarios and his church. This is typical Soviet Union-era misrepresentation and slander; for instance, implying that the Archbishop is living in luxury because he drives a seven year old, mid-priced car (probably now worth around $AUD23,000 ($US 18,000)) and wears traditional liturgical vestments.
Unfortunately, it is not an implication: His Eminence is living in luxury because he is living in luxury - in a renovated $6.5m luxury apartment. That he is living there currently has been confirmed by the Archdiocese. This residency was the seminal point made in Roosh’s OP to which I was merely confirming with the posted link. I note your post did not refute the facts of this purchase or the current residency.
After Archbishop Makarios is gone, the church will still own the apartment; the taxpayer neither benefits from nor will ever again see Mr. Anderson's salary.
One may ask what business the Church has even buying property other than the land on which individual churches stand? How does dabbling in the property market help win over hearts in the current spiritual war we all find ourselves? But that’s a larger debate for another day.
We should not assist the enemies of the church, fleshly and spiritual, by spreading slander and engaging in cheap denunciations. Discern the spirits. Is it the Holy Spirit that is prompting you to spread slander against the church, promoted by a news organization you yourself recognize as "quasi-communist"---or is it another spirit? Are you acting in humility, charity, and truth in amplifying the attacks on a hierarch of the church, who has been a monk for 28 years, and is prepared to maintain public witness for the Church's teaching on controversial topics, however unpopular that teaching might be?
I fear that a monk of 28 years agreeing to live in a renovated $6.5m luxury apartment in the midst of a global recession which has seen many parishioners experience unemployment would assist the enemies of the Church far more than my posting of a link to a news article on a small online forum. I fear choosing to continue to live in said luxury apartment despite the widespread negative reaction after the initial June 2020 news report also assists the enemies of the Church.

Whilst I appreciate your deep questions examining my spirit, ultimately it was not I who bought the apartment, nor did I approve the buying of the apartment. And nor did I write the articles reporting on the buying of the apartment.

All my concern is based on the fact that there is currently a large number of souls across the world at the crossroads of good and evil who are questioning how cynical, vacuous, and materialistic the secular world has become. Seeing the head of the Church in Australia having no issue with living in such an overtly secular and materialistic abode, may not help those souls in their search for the right path.
On what basis are you passing judgment on Archbishop Makarios that "there clearly is a level of materialism present that was not seen in this Archbishop's predecessor"? Because he has personalized number plates? Do you then have superior knowledge to that of Father Eusebios, of Pantanassa monastery, who says that the archbishop's car "always had personalised number plates"---including under his predecessor?
That conclusion was based on the fact that the former Archbishop Stylianos lived in a small apartment far from the Sydney CBD and not in a renovated luxury CBD apartment worth at least six times the median Sydney apartment price. Why did Archbishop Makarios not choose to continue living in the apartment inhabited by Archbishop Stylianos? As for the number plates, I do doubt Archbishop Stylianos had ‘ARCHBM’ (M for Makarios?) number plates but I’m happy to be corrected.

I’m not sure if you have any direct links to the Archdiocese or not, but I sincerely hope you please take it on board that this is a terrible look for the Church. When Archbishop Makarios arrived in Australia in 2019 it was to a tremendous and spiritually uplifting reaction, particularly among the Orthodox youth. It would be terrible to think that much of that goodwill may have evaporated so quickly.

I wish you a Happy Easter and Christos Anesti.
 

nagareboshi

Woodpecker
When Constantine legalized Christianity in the 4th century, the Church became so corrupt that people fled to the desert to escape the bad spiritual environment.

Is this your real opinion? I felt like Saint Constantine was actually based though. Hmm, how to reconcile that with the love of the Desert Fathers though...
 

Pavel

Sparrow

What is "Greek Orthodox Church in America" about?

Look at this:

“Black lives matter”

The Church of America was at the forefront during the Black Lives Matter period. In this regard, Archbishop Elpidophoros stressed that “the voice of protest of the Church is self-evident. After all, for what we will be judged are life, freedom, living conditions, democracy, health. These are at the center of the Church’s interest.”

Biden: His religious sentiment is true – Soon Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew to the United States

“President Biden has genuine respect for religions. His religious sentiment is true and not for appearances,” said the Archbishop of America, while revealing that Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew will visit the White House soon, at the end of October.
 

What is "Greek Orthodox Church in America" about?

Look at this:

I believe the Ecumenical Patriarch ousted their good archbishop, Demetrios, to make room for the new one Elpidophoros. I have not yet seen a distinction between what Elpidophoros promotes and what “the world” believes, and he is causing a large number of problems for the Orthodox faithful. He (or his PR guy) blocks everyone on Twitter who promotes a true Orthodox position on the usual topics.
 

get2choppaaa

Pelican
I believe the Ecumenical Patriarch ousted their good archbishop, Demetrios, to make room for the new one Elpidophoros. I have not yet seen a distinction between what Elpidophoros promotes and what “the world” believes, and he is causing a large number of problems for the Orthodox faithful. He (or his PR guy) blocks everyone on Twitter who promotes a true Orthodox position on the usual topics.
This is really sad for the Greek Church here in America. I have met several outstanding priests and my journey to finding Orthodoxy started in a VERY VERY traditionally oriented Greek Orthodox parish. I found the local priests to be excellent and Bishop Isiah, is as solid as the come, but having to be under administrative jurisdiction of someone like that surely puts a hitch in the giddie up of every pious and traditional bishop out there.
 

nagareboshi

Woodpecker
Archbishop Elpidophoros stressed that “the voice of protest of the Church is self-evident."

Protesting against injustice sounds OK

"After all, for what we will be judged are life, living conditions, health. These are at the center of the Church’s interest.”

Sounds true

freedom, democracy

Wtf

“President Biden has genuine respect for religions. His religious sentiment is true and not for appearances,”

How about he respect his own religion first before trying to respect others
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Archbishop Elpidophoros of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America (GOARCH) presided over a Divine Liturgy at an Episcopal church that recently held a "blessing of the pride flag" to "celebrate the inclusive nature of God’s love."
 
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