Hannibal Buress Calls Bill Cosby A Rapist

[Slim Shady]

Wasn't there a huge uproar when feminists tried to limit what comedians could joke about?

Yet now we're trying to do the same thing.

I don't agree with what he said, but I believe he should have the right to say it.

There is a difference. For example, one of my favorite comics - Norm MacDonald - made a joke on his Sports Show about "a fateful first meeting with Kobe Bryant in a hotel room" [paraphrased] insinuating that he might have raped the girl. Now while I didn't like the joke since I think Kobe has been through hell for a false accusation, I let Norm slide with making a conjecture because he says a lot of offensive deadpan stuff in general.

Here however, Buress' punchline is "Bill Cosby rapes women". That is the line, said quite forcefully, and you can argue how maliciously. There is a difference between being witty, or deadpan, and making accusations outright.

But we've been making OJ did it jokes for a long time. Is this different? I think it is, because of the higher problem of false rape vs. false murder accusations, and the completely different societal response to them. Even Chris Rock's famous "I understand why OJ did it" bit only insinuates strongly that OJ did it. He keeps saying "I'm not saying he did it". That is how comedy works.

Now I support his right to say anything in standup- the last bastion of free speech - but is this libel? I'm not a lawyer so you can help me on this.

What I also support is for this guy to get the shit beat out of him verbally because this was a sucker punch bitch move of a joke weather or not it was actually libel. It is like Aziz getting cheap applause for parroting feminism on Letterman, only worse because he is also accusing someone of a crime without proof.

Just because someone is falsely accused 1 time or 10 times, to me it is still the same if they are found innocent. I personally have been accused of the vague "sexual misconduct" twice. I didn't become less innocent after the second incident.

 

[Enigma]

There is a difference. For example, one of my favorite comics - Norm MacDonald - made a joke on his Sports Show about "a fateful first meeting with Kobe Bryant in a hotel room" [paraphrased] insinuating that he might have raped the girl. Now while I didn't like the joke since I think Kobe has been through hell for a false accusation, I let Norm slide with making a conjecture because he says a lot of offensive deadpan stuff in general.

Here however, Buress' punchline is "Bill Cosby rapes women". That is the line, said quite forcefully, and you can argue how maliciously. There is a difference between being witty, or deadpan, and making accusations outright.

We're all adults here. Is saying someone is a rapist really that much more offensive than strongly implying someone is a rapist? Come on.

It's like a parent spelling out a curse word in front of their child. Past a certain age, we all know what is being said.

The whole comedian vs. feminist debate I mentioned earlier revolved around comic's right to joke about rape. Now we're going to turn right around and say, "no, that particular rape joke is going too far"?

But we've been making OJ did it jokes for a long time. Is this different? I think it is, because of the higher problem of false rape vs. false murder accusations, and the completely different societal response to them. Even Chris Rock's famous "I understand why OJ did it" bit only insinuates strongly that OJ did it. He keeps saying "I'm not saying he did it". That is how comedy works.

No offense, but you're taking this way too seriously. You're debating the societal implications between two different kind of rape jokes or calling someone a rapist vs. a murderer because of crime statistics.

It's a standup routine.

Now I support his right to say anything in standup- the last bastion of free speech - but is this libel? I'm not a lawyer so you can help me on this.

I'm not a lawyer either, but I'm pretty sure it's not libel and I'd be interested to hear about any past cases where a comedian has been sued for something said during an act.

Dave Chappelle made not one but two satire music videos that featured R Kelly pissing and shitting on groups of women, and he wasn't sued as far as I know.

It's comedy. Nothing is -- or should be -- off limits. Doesn't matter if you agree with what they're saying or not.

What I also support is for this guy to get the shit beat out of him verbally because this was a sucker punch bitch move of a joke weather or not it was actually libel. It is like Aziz getting cheap applause for parroting feminism on Letterman, only worse because he is also accusing someone of a crime without proof.

Just because someone is falsely accused 1 time or 10 times, to me it is still the same if they are found innocent. I personally have been accused of the vague "sexual misconduct" twice. I didn't become less innocent after the second incident.

I don't think the joke was funny at all and I 100% agree with your point regarding false accusations not being proof of guilt. Didn't find it anymore offense than plenty of other shit said by comedians but hey, that's just me.

But he still has the right to say it. Stopping people from saying things just because they offend a particular group is exactly what SJWs push for.

 

[General Stalin]

Man for such an anti-PC crowd lot of you are pretty bent up about this. It's stand-up comedy. Several comedians have said far worse shit about far better people. Take it as a poor joke you don't find funny and move on. Some comedians make a living strictly off of doing staunchly controversial comedy and rants. I think Buress is pretty funny personally, and if someone's deliery is good they can make any controversial topic funny and relatable. Hell look at Bill Burr, Jim Jeffries, or on the more extrme spectrum Doug Stanhope. I don' see anything wrong here - after all it is just a joke.

I don't think the joke was funny at all and I 100% agree with your point regarding false accusations not being proof of guilt. Didn't find it anymore offense than plenty of other shit said by comedians but hey, that's just me.

But he still has the right to say it. Stopping people from saying things just because they offend a particular group is exactly what SJWs push for.

Exactly.

 

[Dusty]

The SJW's are looking for dirt on Cosby and attacking him because of this:

 

[WestIndianArchie]

The SJW's are looking for dirt on Cosby and attacking him because of this:

SJW's are largely college educated white people who tip toe around "internal issues" of the black community, because like their white counterparts in the conservative community - they realize they don't know a fucking thing about what goes on in the black community, unless they saw it from a safe distance from their iPads, like watching The Wire.

WIA

 

[Merenguero]

Cosby never responded to the charges and has not been charged with any wrongdoing.

Sue him.

Hard to prove defamation/slander/libel

and more importantly, if Bill did sue Hannibal, Hannibal would call those 13 accusers to the stand. Bill already settled one of those cases.

But most importantly, Hannibal has no money.

Lawyer's gotta eat.

WIA

Agreed. People very often fail to realize that many of the people who other people want to sue are broke or worse than broke. Also, since Bill Cosby is a public figure, the standard of proof that needs to be met for a defamation case is higher than it would be for the average citizen.

 

[Truck'n]

Hannibal Buress is gonna get his ass whupped. The black community doesn't put up with stupid shit like white America does.

 

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

Hannibal Buress is gonna get his ass whupped. The black community doesn't put up with stupid shit like white America does.

Are you sure the black community as a whole disagrees with him. He makes some valid points, points that have been made before by others like Michael Eric Dyson.

 

[Sourcecode]

Are you Black Truckn?
Do you speak for the black community?

All jokes aside...Why has Bill Cosby been accused so many times?
What do people gain from saying Cosby is messing with kid?
Like said above...if i was accused of rape 13 times...I aint living that shit down.

People have made fun of Michael Jackson all the time over messing with kids...he has never been convicted.
But..How many people would really let their kids play at jacksons house.
Thats not libel.

Lots of black people think Kobe did it too.
People makes jokes about him all the time.. Everyone still roots for him to get Rings....but everyone still makes jokes.
*Hell..He bought his girl that massive 4million dollar ring....thats a hell of an apology for a person that didnt fuck fuck.

Chappelle, Oneal.. all have said shit on everyone.. and no one is getting mad.

Black comics since the the beginning of time have been making fun of people..why is this really different?

 

[Sourcecode]

Chappelle made jokes on
Cosby,Kobe and OJay and Micheal jackson all in one bit


Eddie Murphy made jokes telling Cosby to suck a dick.

 

[silent_scope]

"Buress said that this is the first time in his 13-year comedy career that his material has generated major controversy."

Never heard of this clown in the 13 years before he dug this shit up about Bill Cosby. Won't hear about him after everybody forgets about this shit again.

Sounds like he mad Bill didn't put him on track to be a star.

 

[berserk]

It's stand-up comedy. I'd think this guy just isn't that funny since he has to use cheap humor...easy laughs. Like dirty jokes or swearing for laughs.

Cosby never used cheap humor.

Seinfeld followed in his footsteps, never uses cheap humor.

Even Seinfeld is too real for some people:

During an interview on BuzzFeed Brews, host Peter Lauria asked Seinfeld about the predominance of white male guests on the show, having noted the Internet commentary about it and been asked by his Twitter followers to pose the question. Seinfeld responded first with a softball, "People think it's the census or something, that it's got to represent the actual pie chart of America - who cares? Funny is the world that I live in." Then he went further, saying, "I have no interest in gender or race or anything like that," and that he feels the positions of those who have watched his show and commented on the race and gender breakdown of his guests are "anti comedy" and "more about PC nonsense than 'Are you making us laugh or not?'"

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/10/...controversy-comedians-in-cars-getting-coffee/

The chutzpah...

Seinfeld has a net worth of close to a billion USD. You do not fuck with a guy with a billion dollars, that's buy politician money, buy your shitty ass blog and fire you money, hire an army of mercenaries money.

 

[WestIndianArchie]

Seinfeld has a net worth of close to a billion USD. You do not fuck with a guy with a billion dollars, that's buy politician money, buy your shitty ass blog and fire you money, hire an army of mercenaries money.

They went after him for dating a 17 year old Shoshanna Lonnstein. (great rack)

And his wife was some chick he met at a health club. She was newly married and dropped her husband to be with Seinfeld. (Alpha Fuck and Beta Bucks?)

If they can sink the media can sink your hooks into someone, they'll do it.

WIA

 

[Rutting Elephant]

Seeing Cosby in the news, and the nostalgic defensiveness some are reacting to his troubles with, reminded me of a short essay by Mark Crispin Miller from 1988 analyzing his cultural significance from an anti-consumerist Marxist perspective. I've distilled it to its main points and most striking passages.

“I think my popularity came from doing solid 30-second commercials.”

Dr. Huxtable is merely the latest version of the same statement that Dr. Cosby has been making for years as a talk show guest and stand-up comic: “I got mine!”

“What do I care what some ten-thousand-dollar-a-year writer says about me?”

Throwing mock tantrums or beaming hugely to himself or doing funny little dances with his stomach pushed out, Cosby carries on a ceaseless parody of some euphoric eight-year-old.

Cosby makes his mammoth bureaucratic masters seem as nice and cuddly as himself.

At once solicitous and overbearing, he personifies the corporate force that owns him.

This Dad is no straightforward tyrant, then, but the playful type who strikes his children as a peach until they realize, years later, and after lots of psychotherapy, what a subtle thug he really was.

A professor of psychiatry at Harvard reads through each script as a “consultant,” censoring any line or bit that might somehow tarnish the show’s “positive images.”

A whole set of TV shows negate the possibility of black violence with lunatic fantasies of containment: “Diff’rent Strokes” and “Webster,” starring Gary Coleman and Emmanuel Lewis, respectively, each an overcute, miniaturized black person, each playing the adopted son of good white parents. Then there is the oversized and growling Mr. T, complete with bangles, mohawk, and other primitivizing touches. Even this behemoth is a comforting joke... kept in line by a casual white father: Hannibal Smith.

Deep solace to a white public terrified that, one day, blacks might come with guns to steal the copperware, the juicer, the microwave, the VCR, even the TV itself.

Cosby’s definitive funny face, with its little smile, the lips pursed tight, eyes opened wide, eyebrows raised high, that dark face shines toward us like the white flag of surrender--a desperate look that no suburban TV Dad of yesteryear would ever have put on.

His look of tense playfulness is more than just a sign that blacks won’t hurt us; it is an expression that we too would each be wise to adopt, lest we betray some devastating sign of anger or dissatisfaction.

In fact such advertising-idylls do not motivate their viewers to go out and claim the world, but only make the world seem drab and disappointing by comparison.

One woman always compares how her husband deals with a situation with what Bill Cosby would do. When her husband is crabby or nasty, or can’t defuse an argument with a warm, Cosbyesque joke, she ends up feeling angry, even cheated. It is just such unhappiness that TV and its sponsors both require and reinforce, even as they promise our fulfillment.