Has Hollywood Stopped Producing Sex Symbols – And If So, Why?

Serie A1

Robin
As noted elsewhere on this forum, Hollywood – shorthand for the US cultural industries – has been losing market share to other countries' media complexes, notably South Korea, Turkey and India, particularly over the past decade or so.

There are surely many reasons behind this trend. But one of the biggest might be this: since the mid-2000s, Hollywood has lost its ability to produce iconic personalities – particularly women.

It is easy to name strikingly attractive American females from the worlds of television and film; easy, that is, until one thinks of recent years. The last one I can think of was Mischa Barton (born in London, England), who unfortunately experienced serious personal problems almost from the beginning of her career.



So I'm throwing this question out there: has Hollywood stopped producing sex symbols – and if so, why?
 

R.G.Camara

Woodpecker
As noted elsewhere on this forum, Hollywood – shorthand for the US cultural industries – has been losing market share to other countries' media complexes, notably South Korea, Turkey and India, particularly over the past decade or so.

There are surely many reasons behind this trend. But one of the biggest might be this: since the mid-2000s, Hollywood has lost its ability to produce iconic personalities – particularly women.

It is easy to name strikingly attractive American females from the worlds of television and film; easy, that is, until one thinks of recent years. The last one I can think of was Mischa Barton (born in London, England), who unfortunately experienced serious personal problems almost from the beginning of her career.



So I'm throwing this question out there: has Hollywood stopped producing sex symbols – and if so, why?
Too many strident gay men and feminists involved.

The gay men push steroid-infused male bodies as ideal while both they and feminists claim any exposure of beautiful females or women behaving in a feminine manner is oppressive.

Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone had the looks and ability to become such sex symbols, but they did a lot of snarky, masculine-type roles and behaved boorishly publicly and refuse to act feminine. As of today, both have blown their chance at being iconic.

As for Mischa Barton: I caught her in a recently-made low-budget horror movie. She's now in her 30s. She was doing this weird thing with her voice where she was unnaturally lowering it ---something like that Theranos lady did. It was most unattractive, but you can tell she was told she needed to do that to be taken "seriously." But you're right, when she was younger, she had the looks and talent to become a true sex symbol.
 

Athanasius

Kingfisher
All men are made in God's image and have some sense of right and wrong. In decadent cultures, sexual "liberation" gets out of control. It creates political problems and people just start feeling kind of feel vomitous about it all. Result: social and political controls enter the scene. They just use new words and concepts to accomplish it. Instead of hearing about "evil" and "sin," it's "exploitation" and "empowerment." These are attempts by liberals to fix problems they have created.
 

RonaldB

Pigeon
I remember in the old PUA days, people would use male Hollywood actors as examples on how to be confident, but back then, people weren't aware of how many closeted homosexuals are portrayed as straight guys. I can't prove it but I believe that Hugh Jackman, Keanu Reeves, Brad Pitt (maybe), Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and Will Smith are secretly gay. Look at Hugh Jackman's wife, or Keanu Reeves's dating history. I also suspect there's something weird with Jason Momoa too after looking how gross his wife is.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
There's obviously the 'woke' nonsense on one hand.
Yet I put the generally increased disinterest for celebrity to other reasons.

A. The overt & obtuse political pandering of celebrities. Whether climate nonsense or American politics etc.
B. The daft & deluded desire for all manner of Thots to be the next proverbial Kim Kardashian. Simply because they can flaunt their arse on Instagram.

When celebrity can be so easily squandered on the likes of Kim Kardashian & the NPC Clowns out there think they can have what Kim Kardashian has just as readily, yet with no real effort. Far too many Clowns are sex symbols in their own minds already...
 

Serie A1

Robin
Did anyone else see Avengers in theaters? Every time Scarlett Johansson or Chris Hemsworth came onscreen, there were collective gasps from the audience as all the dudes or all the chicks were suddenly overcome with lust.

I'm pretty sure they're both cultural icons at this point.
At one point in her career, Scarlett Johansson was genuinely iconic, notwithstanding her modest height (1.60m / 5'3").

 

Sandstorm

Kingfisher
I think this about sums up what happened to Mischa Barton. Unfortunate. https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/mischa-barton-enjoys-glass-wine-22734043
34......... Childless.... Bloated and ruddy-faced, drinking booze on her own in the middle of the day.

Typical "My life is going to be like Sex and the City or Bridget Jones Diary" female...

No. No it's not.

It's going to be your coming to terms with the fact that despite your fame and money, you have been reduced to the life of a lonely "pawrent" or "Furmom".

The Js have really done a number on our women, with the films, television and magazines they control, putting these disgusting, idiotic ideas inside these dumb bitches heads.

I'm simultaneously happy to see them suffering and at the same time filled with rage against what has been done to our collective societies.

What to do?
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
I think this about sums up what happened to Mischa Barton. Unfortunate. https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/mischa-barton-enjoys-glass-wine-22734043
Besides alcohol, Barton descended into major drug use and had to be committed at one point. She started in the business younger than people think. Her first starring role was the cult film "Lawn Dogs" from 1997. She was ten years old when it was filmed. Not a bad performance either, but being a child actor seems to be a prelude to being a dysfunctional adult.

After getting famous on a TV show, "The O.C.," she starred in one bad film after another. She had a controlling stage mother, and my guess is the pressure of both these things influenced her drug habit.

Or it may have been the reverse. She might have just been the kind of person who loved to get stoned and didn't care what roles she got, so long as the drug money kept rolling in. Chicken or the egg.

But getting back to the original subject here, yes, she should have been a major sex symbol. She's tall and when she was in her prime she had a killer set of legs. She's also more classically beautiful than Scarlett Johansson or Jennifer Lawrence.
 
I'm an American expat in the Philippines, and when I got there, I thought the people would all be in love with American pop culture. But no, those days are mostly over! Instead, they are smitten with South Korean mass media, and can't get enough of their telenovas, films and boy bands. And when it comes to Filipino women, they largely drool over handsome South Korean male actors, and not Americans or Europeans, which I found very surprising.

Unfortunately and ironically, Koreans tend to be very prejudiced against Filipinos, seeing them as being culturally and genetically poisoned by the West. Korean men like to vacation cheaply in the Philippines, at times knocking up local women, and then running back to South Korea, where the government will stonewall any attempts of a Filipina at getting child support. Filipinos seem to be in denial about this phenomena, or just look the other way, as they enjoy Korean pop culture.
 

Serie A1

Robin
What about causation, though? It is so strange to have such a dramatic change in such a short period of time.

The United States has 328m people. There surely cannot be any shortage of beautiful and talented women who could populate the nation's entertainment industry...can there?

So what can explain this decline? It could be one of the following, either alone or in combination with other factors:

1. Talent scouting is simply not what it was, and iconic women are not getting into the entertainment industry.

2. The US entertainment industry's values have changed (as some posters have noted above), and classically beautiful women no longer constitute the ideal.

3. The viewing public's values have changed, and they are demanding a different kind of female 'role model' in their programming.

4. The American media complex has become distorted by pornography to a truly unbelievable extent, and they are in serious danger of forgetting what a top-quality woman even looks like.

5. The entertainment industry is perceived as morally corrupt, and a lot of women are simply not considering it as a career.
 
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Goni

Robin
I'm an American expat in the Philippines, and when I got there, I thought the people would all be in love with American pop culture. But no, those days are mostly over! Instead, they are smitten with South Korean mass media, and can't get enough of their telenovas, films and boy bands. And when it comes to Filipino women, they largely drool over handsome South Korean male actors, and not Americans or Europeans, which I found very surprising.

Unfortunately and ironically, Koreans tend to be very prejudiced against Filipinos, seeing them as being culturally and genetically poisoned by the West. Korean men like to vacation cheaply in the Philippines, at times knocking up local women, and then running back to South Korea, where the government will stonewall any attempts of a Filipina at getting child support. Filipinos seem to be in denial about this phenomena, or just look the other way, as they enjoy Korean pop culture.
In Philippines the European man is still the most liked.

The Asian men, especially the mongoloid ones do not have the genes and looks to compete with European men or evan medium light caucasian men ( maybe excluding Mongolians).

I also found it ridiculous that Koreans think that Filipinos are western poisoned when South Korean culture is just a copy cat of post WW2 western " culture ".

However Philippines is a hugely failed nation and country since it was, it is and will be an international sex tourism centre.
 
What about causation, though? It is so strange to have such a dramatic change in such a short period of time.

The United States has 328m people. There surely cannot be any shortage of beautiful and talented women who could populate the nation's entertainment industry...can there?

So what can explain this decline? It could be one of the following, either alone or in combination with other factors:

2. The US entertainment industry's values have changed (as some posters have noted above), and classically beautiful women no longer constitute the ideal.

4. The American media complex has become distorted by pornography to a truly unbelievable extent, and they are in serious danger of forgetting what a top-quality woman even looks like.
The USEI has gone whole-hog into promoting homosexuality, so I'm sure it's demand for beautiful women has gone down a lot.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if pornography is the biggest part of it. When you've got full blown f***ing on video available on demand to everybody anywhere 24/7 for free, then the usefulness of beautiful women in dresses acting in suggestive movie scenes probably gets diminished a lot.
 

Lionheart

Sparrow
1) Women are much lazier today and don't want to work on their careers in Hollywood. Why work on a movie set for months on end when you can back big money putting up photos on Instagram or onlyfans?

2) Because of toxic feminism women simply aren't very sexy anymore. Look at awards shows like the Oscars, Emmy's and Grammy's today vs. decades ago. The actresses today look very uncomfortable in evening dress gowns and stumble around on high heels because they are not used to wearing them. There bodies are covered in tattoos and many of them have chopped off butch cuts.

3) Rachel Bilson (Summer) was the best looking girl on the OC.
 
1) Women are much lazier today and don't want to work on their careers in Hollywood. Why work on a movie set for months on end when you can back big money putting up photos on Instagram or onlyfans?

2) Because of toxic feminism women simply aren't very sexy anymore. Look at awards shows like the Oscars, Emmy's and Grammy's today vs. decades ago. The actresses today look very uncomfortable in evening dress gowns and stumble around on high heels because they are not used to wearing them. There bodies are covered in tattoos and many of them have chopped off butch cuts.

3) Rachel Bilson (Summer) was the best looking girl on the OC.
There are still many women hellbent on succeeding in Hollywood at all costs, who would never start up an Onlyfans account, due to the negative fallout.

I agree about many modern female stars seeming uncomfortable dressed to the nines.
 

Serie A1

Robin
The USEI has gone whole-hog into promoting homosexuality, so I'm sure it's demand for beautiful women has gone down a lot.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if pornography is the biggest part of it. When you've got full blown f***ing on video available on demand to everybody anywhere 24/7 for free, then the usefulness of beautiful women in dresses acting in suggestive movie scenes probably gets diminished a lot.
1. As you correctly note, this stuff is available practically everywhere, pretty much regardless of what local laws (South Korea, Bulgaria, Iran, etc.) may or may note stipulate. So why has the impact been so unbelievably stark in the US?

2. What about newsreaders, regular actresses, pop stars, pretty girls in commercials, that kind of thing? Anywhere with a modern media industry will have a strong demand for these professionals. Yet in the US from c.2005 onwards...where exactly have they got to?
 
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