Has Hollywood Stopped Producing Sex Symbols – And If So, Why?

I came across this article as I did the three searches...

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His Jewish grandma will not be happy! ;)

"I think Asian people and Jewish people have a lot of values in common. We believe in discipline, we're success-oriented, we study until we pass out! And when you meet in the same setting -- as we met in med school -- you really both have the same goals. That starts off the attraction right there."

 
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Another article I discovered while doing the three google searches... I suspect woman may be happier being free and single in their twenties and early thirties, but then as they age, the level of their happiness greatly declines... They can sense what they have given up... I actually think future studies will show that men are generally happier being single, than women. They need us more than we need them.

Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert

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Aizen

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That article used a picture from the fictitious TV shows “Girls”, which was an HBO clone of Sex and the City.

In other words, they say “Women are happier” while showing this picture, implying this is how women should live.

Take a gander:

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Aizen

Kingfisher
Orthodox

Serie A1

Woodpecker
That article used a picture from the fictitious TV shows “Girls”, which was an HBO clone of Sex and the City.

In other words, they say “Women are happier” while showing this picture, implying this is how women should live.

Take a gander:

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This is actually an excellent image for illustrating the effect that a set of values has on beauty. 2/4 of these women are naturally quite pretty, but the 'product' they are selling is corroding their aura.
 

budoslavic

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Hollywood really sucks his soul out.

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speaking of a war on wholesome, a friend just showed me this:

Go to Google images, type in "Happy black woman" - then change "black" to "Asian", then "Asian" to "white".
I just tried this and upset but not surprised. I then decided to try this same search on baidu.com (the main Chinese search engine) and the results are quite different. This is the first time that Baidu is actually better than Google.


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If women are happier single why do we always hear them asking "where have all the good men gone?"
"Good men" means someone that is tall, wealthy, handsome, has a great job, has liberal views, and is good at dancing, singing, and entertaining her in other ways. Every woman deserves such a man, even a woman that is twice divorced, has three kids from three different men, obese, and has several tattoos and a drug addiction.

I am exaggerating a bit, but this seems to be getting more and more true thanks to brainwashing by TV and social media.
 
Hollywood really sucks his soul out.

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Wow, I just watched 'Crash' recently and I am shocked at how he aged. His divorce was brutal. Why does his wife need $900,000 a year to raise 3 kids?

Never get married in the USA unless you are broke and have no assets and don't plan to work hard later (in which case, few women will marry you anyways). Also, get a vasectomy if you plan to be intimate in the USA even if you do get married. Even poor black people have been railroaded by child support and sent to jail for not being able to afford it. This is one case where there are no race privileges. The female card will trump any race card and it will also trump the 'poor card' if the judge wants to be a particular jerk about it.

If Brendan Fraser is not safe, no American male it.


Also, he claims to have been sexually harassed by a male!! A similar incident happened to Terry Crews (if true-the villain is lucky Terry Crews is pretty even-tempered).

 
A very perceptive and interesting question being posed. One peculiar oddity, the highest paid star in film today is not a film but a TV actress, Sofia Vergara. I would have to agree neither she nor the quite mad Angelina Jolie or Gal Gadot are comparable to previous decades.

If you look at the lower positions you quickly realise why: Viola Davis, Elisabeth Moss, Ellen Pompeo, Nicole Kidman, Emily Blunt, Meryl Streep, Melissa McCarthy. Films are now made for a female audience. This enables older actresses to get better paid parts.

One sees the same on TV, when a middle aged female TV executive decides on who is on TV, it will most likely be another middle aged TV lady. And she will most likely invite another middle aged TV lady. Or a young toy boy. Rarely a highly good looking young female.

As feminism creeps insidiously into the media, not just newspapers, but also TV, film, etc, we can be prepared to see less of what we like, and more what older women like.
 

Redcrosse

Woodpecker
As feminism creeps insidiously into the media, not just newspapers, but also TV, film, etc, we can be prepared to see less of what we like, and more what older women like.
I'm sure this is all true, but even going back several decades, Hollywood seems to have lost some of its interest in glamor and beauty for reasons besides feminism. I read an interview with Pierce Brosnan where he lamented that when he was playing Bond he tried to persuade the suits to cast Monica Bellucci as a Bond girl but they weren't interested. Not interested in prime Monica Bellucci for a Bond girl.

That was in the nineties. I'm not sure they're really all that interested in sex symbols anymore. It seems like the huge popularity of romcoms and chick flicks had a lot to do with it. Once Julia Roberts became the biggest star of her era, Hollywood seems to have decided they always need to find the next Julia, so they invested in the careers of women like Meg Ryan, Sandra Bullock, Reese Witherspoon, Anne Hathaway, right down to Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone today.

Look at the title of Julia Roberts' starmaking movie: Pretty Woman. PRETTY. So you have cute girls in the Emma Stone mode always being hyped and promoted - or, worse, they hype up hostile feminist women who look and act like Lena Dunham - but I don't see any great drive to find another Salma Hayek or Monica Bellucci - or Elizabeth Taylor or Rita Hayworth or Sophia Loren or any of the famous sex symbols of eras past.

In short: it seems like being a PRETTY woman in Hollywood can still help you, but being a BEAUTIFUL woman these days can actually work to your disadvantage. It's interesting that women in modern Hollywood who first got attention as sexy bombshells quickly sought to erase that impression - like Charlize Theron went after the role of hideous serial killer Aileen Wuornos and Margot Robbie after doing Wolf of Wall Street got cast as Tonya Harding and Harley Quinn where she looks like a weird freak. Sophia Loren or Marilyn Monroe never did that. But Robbie was smart to immediately erase her hot image in Wolf of Wall Street and do stuff that would make her seem less hot. Because it no longer pays to look too hot too often. I honestly think Robbie's career would already be yesterday's news if she hadn't made the wise movie to play Harley Quinn and Tonya Harding. By playing trashy and unglamorous, she signalled to Hollywood she was a "serious" actor and not a "mere" sex symbol.
 
I'm sure this is all true, but even going back several decades, Hollywood seems to have lost some of its interest in glamor and beauty for reasons besides feminism. I read an interview with Pierce Brosnan where he lamented that when he was playing Bond he tried to persuade the suits to cast Monica Bellucci as a Bond girl but they weren't interested. Not interested in prime Monica Bellucci for a Bond girl.

That was in the nineties. I'm not sure they're really all that interested in sex symbols anymore. It seems like the huge popularity of romcoms and chick flicks had a lot to do with it. Once Julia Roberts became the biggest star of her era, Hollywood seems to have decided they always need to find the next Julia, so they invested in the careers of women like Meg Ryan, Sandra Bullock, Reese Witherspoon, Anne Hathaway, right down to Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone today.

Look at the title of Julia Roberts' starmaking movie: Pretty Woman. PRETTY. So you have cute girls in the Emma Stone mode always being hyped and promoted - or, worse, they hype up hostile feminist women who look and act like Lena Dunham - but I don't see any great drive to find another Salma Hayek or Monica Bellucci - or Elizabeth Taylor or Rita Hayworth or Sophia Loren or any of the famous sex symbols of eras past.

In short: it seems like being a PRETTY woman in Hollywood can still help you, but being a BEAUTIFUL woman these days can actually work to your disadvantage. It's interesting that women in modern Hollywood who first got attention as sexy bombshells quickly sought to erase that impression - like Charlize Theron went after the role of hideous serial killer Aileen Wuornos and Margot Robbie after doing Wolf of Wall Street got cast as Tonya Harding and Harley Quinn where she looks like a weird freak. Sophia Loren or Marilyn Monroe never did that. But Robbie was smart to immediately erase her hot image in Wolf of Wall Street and do stuff that would make her seem less hot. Because it no longer pays to look too hot too often. I honestly think Robbie's career would already be yesterday's news if she hadn't made the wise movie to play Harley Quinn and Tonya Harding. By playing trashy and unglamorous, she signalled to Hollywood she was a "serious" actor and not a "mere" sex symbol.

I think that's exactly right, there IS a reticence to cast a sensual sexual actress in that role. That is linked to the influence of feminism, both in the audience and the producers of films, but it also has other reasons. Audiences have become more sophisticated. Even TV series now can be very multi-layered with complex story lines. I mean just look at Walking Dead, with a proliferation of ALL kinds of characters, old women even included, lesbians (almost obligatory now in every film for the gay audience), gays, because the producers of films have recognised that our society has been fragmented. Into gay, lesbian, feminist, left, right, black, white, latino etc, so they want to give the audience what they want. And because people are more sophisticated today they want complex storylines with a lot of characters. The days a sexy film actress could carry a movie are over. They were over arguably already with Pretty Woman, where the star was Richard Gere, not Julia Roberts, initially. And when the emaciated Julia Roberts became the top sex symbol, being the lifeless de-sexed version of a sex symbol, you knew something was wrong.

You're absolutely right that all female stars, in EVERY arena, trade off on their sexuality only to LATER repudiate it and try to become serious "artistes". I mean think of Lady Gaga, who started out as Pokerface, basically a porno pop version, and became all serious on our ass. Same with Julia Roberts, who plays the hooker, only to become all serious, same with Emma Stone, who turned into a hardcore feminist bemoaning the lack of women being nominated (only to be hilariously accused of "white feminism"). It's the same old story every single time. Sexy woman sells her sexuality, and then becomes serious.

Marilyn Monroe did that btw, she also did Niagara, if you recall a film about a woman who arranges the killing of her husband. She also wanted to be a serious "artiste", after spreading her legs on film and selling her sexuality, taking lessons in film class. She just failed in that endeavour.

It is indeed the case that sexy good looks can actually work against you. We live in a new era of sexual repression in media, led by feminist censorship, when being a feminist is actually not only accepted but part of the "good tone", when the age of consent is being raised around the globe, when a man-hunt against Me-too monsters spurs the imagination of the female populace, where even the Netherlands and Denmark tighten their pornography laws. It is as if the over-permissive 60s have swung back into a puritan mode reaction against permissiveness. Even Pornhub is being persecuted. Sex is now dirty again.
 

The Beast1

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I remember in the old PUA days, people would use male Hollywood actors as examples on how to be confident, but back then, people weren't aware of how many closeted homosexuals are portrayed as straight guys. I can't prove it but I believe that Hugh Jackman, Keanu Reeves, Brad Pitt (maybe), Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and Will Smith are secretly gay. Look at Hugh Jackman's wife, or Keanu Reeves's dating history. I also suspect there's something weird with Jason Momoa too after looking how gross his wife is.
They're not gay, but they sucked off a gay gatekeeper to get where they are today. Side story, I worked in the industry for a hot minute and a gay director asked me,. " Do you want to be behind the scenes or be a star fucker?" The deal was you go behind the camera or blow me and get in front of the camera.

That's how Hollywood works and frankly it is disgusting. MeToo did more to expose this to normies. Being famous is shameful.
 
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Redcrosse

Woodpecker
That's how Hollywood works and frankly it is disgusting. MeToo did more to expose this to normies. Being famous is shameful.
It did expose it, but it made it sound like only actresses were victims. When really countless actors also had to sell their bodies to predators break into the industry. Male child stars in particular are targets for Hollywood pedophiles and often get raped and sexually abused then tossed aside as trash and usually fail to transition to an adult acting career.
 

Parmesan

Woodpecker
Interesting talk here, but I think really has more to do with the movie industry itself collapsing. The Rock is probably the last true international super star the entertainment industry has effectively minted. Some of the younger men on this forum probably don’t recall the 90s. Movies, music (CD sales), and television were a HUGE business and super culturally influential. Now, not only is there little money to be made outside of international blockbusters, but nobody even really cares about studio produced content, because they are technologically nearly irrelevant at this point (4k smartphone cameras, YouTube, etc.). Hollywood is dying and is already pretty much just Disney/Marvel at this point.
 
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