Have any of you given up on women?

Chains of Peter

Woodpecker
Ooooohh boy. If I had posted this thread while this was still a PUA forum, I could expect what the replies would be. But given the conversion and the events of the past year, I think this topic would be approached more somberly.

Late 2019, I had grown deeper in my devotional life. I prayed my Rosary with the intention that I would find a suitable helpmeet and wouldn't you know it, I found one!

The courtship lasted eight weeks. Providentially, it ended days before the inauguration of VirusRegime.

I wasn't bothered by that "breakup" as I have been for others as my priorities changed to improving my relationship with God, should I die or get persecuted in the coming months. I saw the world we live in as a charade and thought the best way to secure my salvation was to spend the rest of my life in repentance.

That said, I did manage to meet women and even got a date late last year. But my limited social skills completely fell apart after months of virtual incarceration and my views regarding VirusRegime put me in the fringes of society.

Worse, thinking too much about women caused me to lapse into sins of impurity.

Because time horizons are so limited and our world seems to be sprinting towards hell, it almost feels like women are an impediment to salvation. Anyone else feel the same?
 

N°6

Ostrich
Like most here, I got to the point with each new woman, I accepted that it was just my turn until the serial monogamous modern ‘dating’ model took them to new pastures. It was easy come, easy go but I knew the gaps between ‘relationships’ were getting longer for me but shorter for the women.

To quote Evelyn Waugh, “I didn’t fail in love, I lost the joy of it.”
 

Pangloss

Pigeon
For me it's been an enlightening, frightening, and also now somewhat exciting experience for me to arrive at a time in life when meeting a suitable woman for marriage and children (age, beliefs, history, character) becomes a remote possibility (especially given the current indefinite Lockdowns).

Although the reasons I'm in this situation are unique, there are plenty of men and women who pass through the partnering stage of life without success and simply resolve to move on with their life in different ways. I've met a few of them recently, and have more empathy and insight into how people create a life that is not based around marriage and children. I don't envy most of them, and some seem immature - stuck as adolescents - but we all adapt to our situations I suppose.

In some ways I feel it a waste and failure not to pass on my relatively good genetics, but it could be worse.

The last-minute scramble of the 'buzzer-beater' (man or woman) is not a mindset I want to take on, and I've hard some tough moments of self-reflection and re-assessment (on-going) to come to terms with the future without a woman (or at least in the ideal sense of meeting when we're younger etc.).
 

Pilgrim

Pigeon
Because time horizons are so limited and our world seems to be sprinting towards hell, it almost feels like women are an impediment to salvation. Anyone else feel the same?

I think a lot of men have come to the same conclusion, particularly these days. A sharp division is forming between the increasing number of men who are beginning to feel that the juice isn't worth the squeeze, and the men who worship women ever more ardently (I'm thinking of the deluded wretches who pay e-girls simply to talk to them).

Scripture itself urges men to forget women and pursue God instead. Historically few men have been able to do that --- even those in the churches --- but perhaps with the cultural decline and its baleful effects on women in particular, we will see a generation of men seeking their Creator instead. One can but hope...

As you say, it's bizarre writing such things on what used to be a PUA site, but I guess that occasionally the road of excess --- when it doesn't lead to destruction --- can indeed lead to the palace of wisdom.
 

indokiwi

Pigeon
Scripture itself urges men to forget women and pursue God instead. Historically few men have been able to do that --- even those in the churches --- but perhaps with the cultural decline and its baleful effects on women in particular, we will see a generation of men seeking their Creator instead. One can but hope...

This is happening already. Our gracious host Rooshv and many others including me have gone down this path.

I wish I read the Bible when I was younger so I wouldn't have down walked the path of degeneracy and chasing fallen women.

Following GOD and reading scripture would remedy the masculinity crisis that we are facing right now as men would become enlightened and aware, that's why the elites are trying their very best to displace Christianity in the west.
 
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srd

Pigeon
In the UK comparing the young men of today to 20 years ago, its a more 'unisex society' with women acting similar to men and men similar to women...I consider the local men, especially the younger ones, to be phaggots not worthy of any respect. The women are not great either and perhaps have contributed more to western decline than the weak-minded men. I prefer European women as partners and co-workers, even though they are far from perfect, but local people in Scotland are a dead end to the human race. There are a minority of decent-isa women around who dont have completely degenerate behaviours, but they're usually younger (16, which is legal here, to very early 20s at best). Its kinda hard to respect the local people (and I was born here, though I travelled a lot), and I never met a Scots man who was as noble as the best of English men or continental peoples. I find my ability to like and respect the locals to be a huge factor in me wanting to move, plus the fact that Im sure their best days are behind them and they are going down like the Titanic (but they haven't figured it out or dont want to).

But where is this place that is a utopia? I went to Hungary and even though the girls are hot, they were a totally degenerate people, completely destroyed in my humble opinion. They survive only because the globalist chooses to not shove mass immigration down their throats, but not because they are a strong and worthy peoples. I saw too many instances where they act like a destroyed peoples... Ironically, it is the muslims countries that seem to offer a future for their peoples, but the problem is im not muslim and I dont want to be. But I respect those peoples the most on average. Some muslim women, like Turkish women, can be hot too, as well as Pakistanis that look completely white and stuff. As well as culture and fitting in, finding a job in the current globo-homogeneity Covid environment is a right pain too.

I think ex-pat communities in nonwhite countries are the only way to go for caucasian people wanting to escape the impending end and destruction of western societies. There are a ton of expat communities, though they are not a walk in the park either and are often infiltrated by the Harvey Weinstein/Epstein tribesman slavemaster types. The Slavic/asiatic caucasians are a destroyed folk but they may have a future. The Anglo-European ones don't and they largely dont acknowledge their impending end or they live in wanton ignorance of it. If you have a girl already who is worthwhile, expat seems the way to go.

I dont think giving up on women wholesale is an answer, no matter how bad your personal situation. And there even are a few decent caucasian women left, particularly in Europe as compared to UK/USA. But Western society is done bro (by design) and its not coming back, it will just become more like Brazil before it collapses spectacularly and mabye its time to have an exit plan because we will see this all play out within our lifetimes.
 
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It's hard enough to find a couple of bros in this world to kick it with once in awhile, most women are lost and degenerate. Especially for those of us in the states. If god wills it then so be it but I have given up game and trying to get a woman. Last date I was on the chick insisted that she split the bill... this was the first time I had experienced something like this and I had been warned that there were alot of women like this out there but this time I got completely caught off guard the girl seemed cool, but wound up to be this goody goody self-righteous feminist type, it was this scenario that made me say it's time to stop for a while.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
It's hard enough to find a couple of bros in this world to kick it with once in awhile, most women are lost and degenerate.
I laughed immediately when I saw this. Between the number of pussies and/or people with insecurities who can't vibe with strong yet funny or principled personalities, and the low quality of women that have no clue how good they have it currently, it's pretty much a joke. Again, a lottery in the west. And now clown virus world shuts down the possibility to venture out.

The juice ain't worth the squeeze is the best way to put it for this topic, because it's a fairly obvious but benign (not angry, not salty) analysis - and straight to the point. You get benefits from a woman and a family, but it takes a lot away from you too.

Watch the Dave Chapelle old standup where he lists what will make a man happy. I won't re-list them here, but the last one is:
And don't talk so much!
 
It's hard enough to find a couple of bros in this world to kick it with once in awhile, most women are lost and degenerate.
My thoughts exactly.. Finding a woman isn't that hard (although I am not sure what the USA is like) but finding a couple of old school guys that like to banter, have manly hobbies and are trustworthy..

That's a whole different matter!
 

wowowow112

Chicken
In the UK comparing the young men of today to 20 years ago, its a more 'unisex society' with women acting similar to men and men similar to women...I consider the local men, especially the younger ones, to be phaggots not worthy of any respect. The women are not great either and perhaps have contributed more to western decline than the weak-minded men. I prefer European women as partners and co-workers, even though they are far from perfect, but local people in Scotland are a dead end to the human race. There are a minority of decent-isa women around who dont have completely degenerate behaviours, but they're usually younger (16, which is legal here, to very early 20s at best). Its kinda hard to respect the local people (and I was born here, though I travelled a lot), and I never met a Scots man who was as noble as the best of English men or continental peoples. I find my ability to like and respect the locals to be a huge factor in me wanting to move, plus the fact that Im sure their best days are behind them and they are going down like the Titanic (but they haven't figured it out or dont want to).

But where is this place that is a utopia? I went to Hungary and even though the girls are hot, they were a totally degenerate people, completely destroyed in my humble opinion. They survive only because the globalist chooses to not shove mass immigration down their throats, but not because they are a strong and worthy peoples. I saw too many instances where they act like a destroyed peoples... Ironically, it is the muslims countries that seem to offer a future for their peoples, but the problem is im not muslim and I dont want to be. But I respect those peoples the most on average. Some muslim women, like Turkish women, can be hot too, as well as Pakistanis that look completely white and stuff. As well as culture and fitting in, finding a job in the current globo-homogeneity Covid environment is a right pain too.

I think ex-pat communities in nonwhite countries are the only way to go for caucasian people wanting to escape the impending end and destruction of western societies. There are a ton of expat communities, though they are not a walk in the park either and are often infiltrated by the Harvey Weinstein/Epstein tribesman slavemaster types. The Slavic/asiatic caucasians are a destroyed folk but they may have a future. The Anglo-European ones don't and they largely dont acknowledge their impending end or they live in wanton ignorance of it. If you have a girl already who is worthwhile, expat seems the way to go.

I dont think giving up on women wholesale is an answer, no matter how bad your personal situation. And there even are a few decent caucasian women left, particularly in Europe as compared to UK/USA. But Western society is done bro (by design) and its not coming back, it will just become more like Brazil before it collapses spectacularly and mabye its time to have an exit plan because we will see this all play out within our lifetimes.
It's shocking to me how quickly it can completely go down. Being raised in Poland and attending high school in early 2000s, the girls were so much different than now. So much better. Now young girls are completely degenerate.

But the other, also scary thing is, that those girls I went to HS with, who were okay back then - a lot of them are also brainwashed now. So even if you find a valuable girl, it's very hard for her to stay that way if the whole environment is corrupt. That applies to the whole population actually.
 

Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
I haven't dated and barely interacted with non-family females in the last year.
The fact that you cannot see someone's mouth due to the facemask has ruined social interaction for me.

I passed a billboard today on the road that said "SMILE! And Pass it On!" and I laughed. No one can even see if you are smiling anymore!

A mutual friend introduced me to a girl via text recently and we have been messaging, but I prefer face to face interaction.
When this passes I plan on meeting some women from some traditional cultures abroad through some friends.
 
I haven't actively pursued a woman in several years, but I occasionally entertain the idea of dating when a woman makes the first move or someone introduces me to one. I've had that situation three times in the last year, here's how they went:

1. Dropped an F bomb almost immediately into our first conversation (Strike 1) and then failed to uphold a commitment she'd made (Strikes 2 and 3). She sent me a string of messages many hours afterward, which I deleted without reading because I have zero patience for wasting my time. Instant NEXT.

2. Expressed a lot of interest in the middle of a livestream I was doing on YouTube. I messaged her the next day and we talked for a couple of minutes, then I tested her ability/desire to follow and she clearly communicated that she didn't want to be led. Instant NEXT.

3. A girl with an extremely similar life story to mine, who I was not looking for in any way but has put a lot of effort into making herself a helper to me in the hopes of winning me over. It's working more than I thought it would, and I find myself considering real long-term dating and potentially marriage with her, but I do not know whether marriage is my real vocation in life and I am still trying to discern that before making any big-step commitments. My priest says he could see me either getting married or not, and I feel more or less the same way. Not looking for it, but also not against the idea. I don't know if that's enough, we'll see how things play out and I need to discuss this in much greater depth with said priest.

Also, Scripture and the Church have always taught that those who can bear celibacy should do so for the glory of God, while those who "burn with passion" should get married to avoid the sin of fornication. Both marriage and celibacy are considered a "white martyr" (ie, bloodless) path to salvation.
 
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