Have any of you given up on women?

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Happy it is working out for you, as it is for me. Like you, I sought a woman of good character, which was waaay down the list of priorities back when I was young, dumb, and full of @#&.

Living in the Philippines, I see for myself weak men who are living a nightmare, as contrasted with strong men who have a fantastic life. The weak men are those who bring feminist equality mindset over here, letting the woman assume dominance in the relationship, as is typical in the West. Once a woman see the man as a pushover, she loses respect and seeks out a man she DOES respect.
I think you're right bmw. The Philippines is more of a matriarchal society than here in America, however, the husband still has to assert some leadership when it is necessary and not be a pushover. He shouldn't rule with a rod of iron but he also has to make sure that she knows that he is responsible before God for the relationship, and there are times she won't agree with what he deems the right thing to do.
 
Very extreme, but becoming more common, to be honest. It's easier now than ever to live like that, to tell yourself that Twitter is real life and counts as social life/community. With the lockdown that kind of lifestyle is being essentially mandated for many people who didn't form a solid circle before.

I think a lot of millennials and zoomers will end up living like Carl, except in a hive city. The worst of all worlds.

All things in life ultimately are fleeting. It doesn't take much to improve your life, and to rise above your circumstances. Anything truly worthwhile is a result of expended efforts.

During the first weeks of lockdown, on my time off, I rang my friends up on the phone, and caught up over a longish phone call. I was on the phone much more than normal. It demostrates a committment to your friends to set aside 30 minutes - an hour every week or fortnight to catch up. Sending a five word instant message doesn't have the same effect. It also shows that you hold them in some esteem. When we were able to meet in person, I organised an informal catch up.

My approach was well received. You will not succeed with everyone. Chance favours those prepared. Take the first step, rather than wait for the stars to align.
 

Mr Gibbs

Woodpecker
I am 23 and recently finished university in the UK, after little success with women. I haven’t completely given up, but I doubt I’ll ever find someone suitable.

I’m 6’0, fairly masculine, not as striking a some people but there’s nothing wrong with how I look. I do get occasional attention, but only from women I find completely unattractive or who have unsuitable personal qualities, particularly now I’m a Christian.

I have much less experience than most women my age, and I already look about 27 so finding a younger women is increasingly less likely. Even if I did, very few women younger than me are willing to marry and have kids, especially with someone with 0 income or assets.

Since covid lockdowns and gym closures i’ve lost most of my muscle, my internet addiction problems have got worse, and I can’t find a job. This despite having a decent Law degree and having applied for over 100 roles, many for minimum wage. Many Im not allowed to apply for as I’m not BAME/female/disabled/LGBTQ. Do I ‘deserve a good woman’? Probably not, but I feel just as much a victim of today’s culture and circumstances, as I do my own flaws.

I have considered going abroad, but I love my family and traditions too much. Maybe you could find a more suitable woman in Africa or Asia, but that is stigmatised and I would want my kids to look like me.

Either way I refuse to wait till I’m in my 30s to be a safe option that some woman settles for after getting bored of sleeping around. All I can do is pray and try to be positive, but I’ve reluctantly accepted I’ll likely remain alone. With the end times likely approaching, maybe this isn’t such a bad thing.
damn bro that's rough
 

J.E.

Robin
I have much less experience than most women my age, and I already look about 27 so finding a younger women is increasingly less likely. Even if I did, very few women younger than me are willing to marry and have kids, especially with someone with 0 income or assets.

Since covid lockdowns and gym closures i’ve lost most of my muscle, my internet addiction problems have got worse, and I can’t find a job. This despite having a decent Law degree and having applied for over 100 roles, many for minimum wage. Many Im not allowed to apply for as I’m not BAME/female/disabled/LGBTQ. Do I ‘deserve a good woman’? Probably not, but I feel just as much a victim of today’s culture and circumstances, as I do my own flaws.

I have considered going abroad, but I love my family and traditions too much. Maybe you could find a more suitable woman in Africa or Asia, but that is stigmatised and I would want my kids to look like me.
Women are into older men generally, those who are into younger ones are the ones who are so for hedonistic reasons. If she's traditional, she won't mind.

Start calisthenics. Muscle is harder to build but the muscles last longer even if you stop exercising for a while. Plus your bones and joints become harder and stronger. Gym is the fastfood of muscle training but calisthenics is a five star gourmet menu.

Start a trade. I'm looking into starting one this year. After the coronacircus started there is no reason to enroll university. Now it's important to get practical and learn something that will take you out of the office and virtual spaces. Get as much exercise, air, sun and time among men as you can, before even all of that will become scarce in the future.
 
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Blade Runner

Pelican
Women are into older men generally, those who are into younger ones are the ones who are so for hedonistic reasons. If she's traditional, she won't mind.

Start calisthenics. Muscle is harder to build but the muscles last longer even if you stop exercising for a while. Plus your bones and joints become harder and stronger. Gym is the fastfood of muscle training but calisthenics is a five star gourmet menu.

Start a trade. I'm looking into starting one this year. After the coronacircus started there is no reason to enroll university. Now it's important to get practical and learn something that will take you out of the office and virtual spaces. Get as much exercise, air, sun and time among men as you can, before even all of that will become scarce in the future.
Great post, I don't buy that weights are in any way inferior to calisthenics, quite the contrary. But there is a place for everything, I do agree. And I'm a guy who hates cardio, lol.

Let's find a nice path forward.
 

J.E.

Robin
Great post, I don't buy that weights are in any way inferior to calisthenics, quite the contrary. But there is a place for everything, I do agree. And I'm a guy who hates cardio, lol.

Let's find a nice path forward.
Weights are good when your body is already tough and toned. Cardio is gay. I do several sprints in a row than running.
 

FactusIRX

Kingfisher
I am 23 and recently finished university in the UK, after little success with women. I haven’t completely given up, but I doubt I’ll ever find someone suitable.

I’m 6’0, fairly masculine, not as striking a some people but there’s nothing wrong with how I look. I do get occasional attention, but only from women I find completely unattractive or who have unsuitable personal qualities, particularly now I’m a Christian.

I have much less experience than most women my age, and I already look about 27 so finding a younger women is increasingly less likely. Even if I did, very few women younger than me are willing to marry and have kids, especially with someone with 0 income or assets.

Since covid lockdowns and gym closures i’ve lost most of my muscle, my internet addiction problems have got worse, and I can’t find a job. This despite having a decent Law degree and having applied for over 100 roles, many for minimum wage. Many Im not allowed to apply for as I’m not BAME/female/disabled/LGBTQ. Do I ‘deserve a good woman’? Probably not, but I feel just as much a victim of today’s culture and circumstances, as I do my own flaws.

I have considered going abroad, but I love my family and traditions too much. Maybe you could find a more suitable woman in Africa or Asia, but that is stigmatised and I would want my kids to look like me.

Either way I refuse to wait till I’m in my 30s to be a safe option that some woman settles for after getting bored of sleeping around. All I can do is pray and try to be positive, but I’ve reluctantly accepted I’ll likely remain alone. With the end times likely approaching, maybe this isn’t such a bad thing.
Just open your own firm. That's what I did. I don't know how it works in the UK, but there's minimal start up costs for a law firm. I run everything from my home. With COVID, it's tougher because you need to network in person, but I still manage. Plus, firms will be more interested in you if you can bring your own clientele and have shown you need minimum supervision.
 
The problem is this, we white men are too nice for our own good. She must both love and fear you, never forget this. It doesn't need to be physical intimidation either, simply remind her (subtly) that she can be thrown away in an instant and you won't be any worse for wear.
Very true. You have to look out for yourself first.

Sometimes it's easier said than done, but you have to be comfortable with coldly walking away from anything in life that degrades you. It's very important to have this attitude with women, especially nowadays when the sexual marketplace is so imbalanced and dysfunctional. It might sting to not have a woman by your side and all the bodily comforts, but your integrity and long-term wellbeing matters more.
Start calisthenics. Muscle is harder to build but the muscles last longer even if you stop exercising for a while. Plus your bones and joints become harder and stronger. Gym is the fastfood of muscle training but calisthenics is a five star gourmet menu.
Agreed! OrangeCrusader, you're totally able to build a great physique at home with little or no equipment. Even a program of just weightless squats and push ups can do a lot of good. Also, you stand at a decent height so you've got that working in your favour as well.

I am 23 and recently finished university in the UK, after little success with women. I haven’t completely given up, but I doubt I’ll ever find someone suitable.

I’m 6’0, fairly masculine, not as striking a some people but there’s nothing wrong with how I look. I do get occasional attention, but only from women I find completely unattractive or who have unsuitable personal qualities, particularly now I’m a Christian.

I have much less experience than most women my age, and I already look about 27 so finding a younger women is increasingly less likely. Even if I did, very few women younger than me are willing to marry and have kids, especially with someone with 0 income or assets.

Since covid lockdowns and gym closures i’ve lost most of my muscle, my internet addiction problems have got worse, and I can’t find a job. This despite having a decent Law degree and having applied for over 100 roles, many for minimum wage. Many Im not allowed to apply for as I’m not BAME/female/disabled/LGBTQ. Do I ‘deserve a good woman’? Probably not, but I feel just as much a victim of today’s culture and circumstances, as I do my own flaws.

I have considered going abroad, but I love my family and traditions too much. Maybe you could find a more suitable woman in Africa or Asia, but that is stigmatised and I would want my kids to look like me.

Either way I refuse to wait till I’m in my 30s to be a safe option that some woman settles for after getting bored of sleeping around. All I can do is pray and try to be positive, but I’ve reluctantly accepted I’ll likely remain alone. With the end times likely approaching, maybe this isn’t such a bad thing.
Have you considered the possibility of starting an online business or freelancing in something specialised? Your Law degree might help you secure some freelance writing roles, so that might be a way to get the ball rolling fairly fast. You could also considering building a niche website. Are there any law-related topics that might draw in a lot of traffic that you could monetise with ads, products, or referrals? Or do you have any popular hobbies or interests that you'd be happy to create lots of content around?

It may seem like a tough situation with the current dating climate, but life can work out in miraculous and unexpected ways. Keep doing something everyday to improve - not primarily for women, but for you - and you'll enjoy the progress that you make.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
What about the error of HER ways? Adultery is a Biblical grounds for divorce. Used to be adutresses were stoned to death, too.

Staying legally married to the woman prevents you from moving forward in your life.
He is waiting for the best outcome which is to stay together. He is allowed to put away his wife, but he is not required to. I think I would do so the same thing.
 
I gave up on American women before I ever really began. One American girlfriend [I got cheated on] and that was it. I tried to date other American women but it didn't ever amount to anything and they were all flaky, game-players, not interested, offering hook-ups but not real relationships [so I passed on them- I was never into hook-up culture], or basically just unavailable [they couldn't make up their mind if they wanted to go to the opera or stay home and binge watch some TV show].

I have only dated one American woman in my life. I've had offers for hook-ups and casual sex from more than a few and I've had marriage proposals from a few, the latter being damn odd. Normally the man proposes marriage and within the context of a serious long-term relationship.

I have had several women, acquaintances, ask me to marry them, I declined, they then offered themselves for relations, I declined. They then asked if I would consider siring children for them, I declined.

There was one woman where all I was doing was helping her with research for a senior thesis and by the end of the semester she asked me to marry her, I said "you don't really know me" she then asked me to sire a child for her, and I said, "I barely know you and I would only have a child with a woman I loved and who was my wife."

That was my experience from about age 19 to age 25 as an American male in the USA. I guess one could say I had the looks but no real money to back anything up. I also had a confidence problem as a younger man, around 19-25. I didn't begin to get real confidence until somewhere around age 27-28 when I began to become financially successful. I came from a lower middle class background and we were always hovering on the verge of possible poverty. My father financed most of my undergraduate education at great cost to himself; I paid for the rest. I financed all of my law education but wound up so successful that I repaid my law loans within 6 months of getting my law license. There was a progression of success level I experienced in my late 20s and early 30s of "move to a better neighborhood with a house that was worth 3x where we had been" level of success to now I am at the point of, "I could probably buy a chalet in the Swiss Alps if I wanted to do so" level of success.

Have I ever given up on women, period? Women as a class/group. No way.

There are some countries I won't date from and some countries I would be livid if some future son of mine came home with a woman from said country.

USA
Canada
United Kingdom
New Zealand
Australia
Israel

[those are the big six]

Next would be-

France
Belgium
Netherlands
Norway
Sweden
Denmark


I expect any children of mine to honor me and marry somebody within their faith tradition and within the general ballpark of their ancestry so that my grandchildren resemble me in some sense.


In any event, I noticed that as I was 28 coming up on 29, I was thrilled with where I was in life and where I was going in life. Around age 32-33 I realized, "I have finally arrived, the future belongs to me."

While I noticed women around me in my age peer group were melting-down and many were complete train-wrecks [girls I had gone to high school with were being busted for possession, prostitution, ODing and being taken to the hospital] I was pounding the pavement and drumming up business, getting case after case, client after client, making things happen, and depending on the month I was anywhere from $14,000 per month to $25,000 per month, with a few insane months with a spike to $30,000 and one of $65,000 for the month. I had found my calling.

In short, right now I am in the best years of my life, and this will probably last for about 20 more years. I would never take on a woman who gave her best years to a company office job or a string of men and who then comes to me and expects to give me the cold leftovers while she gets my best years.

I would always advise a young man who wants a wife and a family to "be ready to die alone if you're not going to look outside of the Anglosphere."

I would rather die alone than partner up with an American, British, or French woman. Especially since I know I won't die alone.
 
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Wat u thinkin about Japanesy womens?

Im mentoring a kid I met here and pretty much we decided his best play would be to move to Japan. Invest in the language and enjoy marrying into a cooperative, clean, consistent, convenient, safe society.

The only close comparison would be Korea, maybe. China too polluted political and women have a bad side to their personality dat me no likey.

Japan has insanely low obesity but is developed. Divorce is uncommon. Women all have one sibling. Know how to share but not neglected.

J girls are all college educated and no hygiene issues. Better get one before the population halves like Bitcoin.

Im thinking to go back myself. Find one to travel the world with. They’re really into foreign culture.
 
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Obesity is real. You can find a good personality. But she'll be fat.

Same problem in USA. Obesity knocks out 70-80% of women. The other 20-30% are mostly skinny fat.

Maybe 3-4% diet AND exercise. I need both or I walk. 90% who do both are under 25 and too immature for me. OK for fun only.

Now qualify for college educated. Not from broken home. Doesn't flake repeatedly.

And you're looking at 1% or less of the North American population. Am I unreasonable? I don't think so.

Some guys will put up with anything for a pretty face or skinny body. I just have fun and move on. At most those girls are good for flings. The personality has to be there.

Some guys treat their body like a garbage can and don't mind dating a broken woman who is also a walking trash dumpster fire. I'll pass...

Also as I've said, these girls are committed to school and work. That's most of their 20s gone. By the time she's independent enough for me, she's not attractive anymore.

Roosh has talked about this. Women waste all their time in school and work. Then still hope to find a millionaire like me to take care of them. Ha. In reality, I'd have to jump into their frame which is backwards. I have a great travel lifestyle and not settling down for a manipulator who can barely take care of herself, let alone support me and a family as a partner and mom.

I've been to almost every state of Mexico. I've only corresponded with women from every Central American country. In Brazil my experience was limited to Sao Paolo and Rio states. I've not had as much correspondence there. When I tried matching women online in South America my matches were really poor quality--even with fake male model photos and a Spanish profile and name. Seems crap.

I have a few friends that got serious with Latam girls. They put up with most of the crap I described because they felt like it was worthwhile. They didn't meet the online though. They specifically qualified for educated upper class English speakers from a good home and with a low notch count. Basically long term sponsorettes or to be nice girls who were in relationships for minimum 5+ years with only a few guys. Never worked and just want to stay home and play house. These girls both came to Tier-I USA to find successful boyfriends, so everyone is kinda happy. Personally, I'd never have gotten past the pair bonding phase with the crap these guys endured. Some guys don't mind girls who throw temper tantrums and are on meds. For others like me its a deal breaker.

I guess these are generalizations of a few hundred or thousand women projected on a populace. That's about the best it gets. I'm sure you can come down here and find happiness. I just don't think it's worthwhile compared to Asia.


I was raised by my father in a single-father household and he once told me, "in the USA about 80% of women can be rejected via looks alone and then about 90% of the remaining 20% are rejected based on personality once you start talking with them and listen to the crap they have to say."

I'll probably eventually share the details of the story of my childhood, the custody battle, and how my father won sole physical/legal custody and how my mother was ordered to pay child support. It was a legal ordeal and entailed a few miracles of God.
 
That’s crazy. My dad had took all the debt, gave my mom all the assets (3 houses, 2 cars), still paid child support, had joint custody, and told his new PR wife “my kids are taken care of.”

My mom became increasingly selfish and hostile. She left us alone for days and weeks at a time to vacation alone. Often not paying utilities while gone. She’s heckle us and say, “fend for yourselves.”

My sister moved out at 12 to friends then various boyfriends. I stayed and tried to please my jerk of a mom. Haven’t talked to her in decades.

My dad admitted that he was a terrible father. Most of my PTSD is from listening to him whine endlessly and my mom scream.

Later it came out she kept having abortions. Half my siblings were aborted without my dads consent. That’s what broke him I guess.
 
Wat u thinkin about Japanesy womens?

Im mentoring a kid I met here and pretty much we decided his best play would be to move to Japan. Invest in the language and enjoy marrying into a cooperative, clean, consistent, convenient, safe society.

The only close comparison would be Korea, maybe. China too polluted political and women have a bad side to their personality dat me no likey.

Japan has insanely low obesity but is developed. Divorce is uncommon. Women all have one sibling. Know how to share but not neglected.

J girls are all college educated and no hygiene issues. Better get one before the population halves like Bitcoin.

Im thinking to go back myself. Find one to travel the world with. They’re really into foreign culture.


I personally have no interest in being assimilated into another culture or having children or grandchildren that are not of my heritage.

Allowing oneself to be assimilated into another culture is fundamentally defeatist.

It is the equivalent of considering the Late Roman Empire debauched so you move to Ethiopia and allow yourself to be assimilated into Ethiopia as a Roman.
 
This is a really tough topic for me also. I have stopped trying to just have sex with women and getting them with game or recruiting them from a pool of friends. I am volcel and intend to be till I marry. I looked into some Christian dating sites here in Germany and I must say, even here, 90 percent of women do absolutely not meet my standards. Firstly, most of them are Protestant degenerates (writing "Antifaschist" or "Liebe ist Liebe" and the like in their profiles); secondly, some have secular standards; thirdly, some have kids and I am obviously not having that. Additionally, I do not find dating sites to be a compelling community, but the plandemic is limiting my options to meet Christian women. The women in my Catholic church are on average 75. I am going to another church next week (latin mass). There might be some decent women there.
But, on some occasions, I do not care much either, because the bond with God can always be strengthened and I have always found great inspiration and joy through reading and intellectual pondering. Needless to say, though, a wife would be nice.

And I may add that I am a bit careful, how I approach Christian women, because I was used to talking to women in a "red-pilled" manner xD
 

J.E.

Robin
That was my experience from about age 19 to age 25 as an American male in the USA. I guess one could say I had the looks but no real money to back anything up. I also had a confidence problem as a younger man, around 19-25.
If this was your experience, why would women offer themselves to you when you had no confidence in yourself? Doesn't add up.
 
If this was your experience, why would women offer themselves to you when you had no confidence in yourself? Doesn't add up.
Based on looks alone.

I have always been good-looking, 6'0 and fit/trim.

I didn't have any real confidence until I was out of undergrad and into my mid-20s. I had very limited funds and I was not happy in life, but I did sincerely believe, "things will get better, I am on a road that will take me to where I want to be, but I am not there yet." I was confident the future would be better than the present when I was 19-25, but I also was confident, "I am not there yet." I knew I was going to good places, but I was painfully aware, "I am certainly not there yet."

I had no doubt I was the smartest guy in the room most places I went, and that I could pass any test, answer any question, solve any problem, but I always found women [especially women my own age] when I was about 19-25, to be elusive, evasive, mysterious, riddles, enigmas, puzzles, unsolvable.

I always had looks, it was the only reason women would tend to hit me up online.

I've always been averse to forward and fast women and I have never liked women approaching men based on looks or primarily on looks, especially when I had little confidence to back up the looks.

I never doubted as a young man that I could get a woman's initial attention via looks, but I always wondered if I could have actually had a real and meaningful relationship, which is what I wanted, not a looks based relationship, so it helped make it easier for me to avoid women because I found them intimidating anyway and I had confidence issues.

I also got shot down on a lot of my approaches because I tended to be awkward. I would invite a woman to a museum, rifle range, etc., as a first date, and people told me that was a bit off-putting. I was never the "let's go get a drink" sort of a guy.

I can proudly and honestly say I have never once purchased a drink for a woman unless I was already in a relationship with her and courting her.
 
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stugatz

Pelican
Based on looks alone.

I have always been good-looking, 6'0 and fit/trim.

I didn't have any real confidence until I was out of undergrad and into my mid-20s. I had very limited funds and I was not happy in life, but I did sincerely believe, "things will get better, I am on a road that will take me to where I want to be, but I am not there yet." I was confident the future would be better than the present when I was 19-25, but I also was confident, "I am not there yet." I knew I was going to good places, but I was painfully aware, "I am certainly not there yet."

I always had looks, it was the only reason women would tend to hit me up online.

I've always been averse to forward and fast women and I have never liked women approaching men based on looks or primarily on looks, especially when I had little confidence to back up the looks.

I never doubted as a young man that I could get a woman's initial attention via looks, but I always wondered if I could have actually had a real and meaningful relationship, which is what I wanted, not a looks based relationship, so it helped make it easier for me to avoid women because I found them intimidating anyway and I had confidence issues.

I also got shot down on a lot of my approaches because I tended to be awkward. I would invite a woman to a museum, rifle range, etc., as a first date, and people told me that was a bit off-putting. I was never the "let's go get a drink" sort of a guy.

I can proudly and honestly say I have never once purchased a drink for a woman unless I was already in a relationship with her and courting her.
This isn't all that uncommon, I think I have experiences similar to yours. When I was in college and getting multiple dates a month, I got most of them through a combination of boldness in real life, and overly bold online game to the point of almost playing it for laughs. ("Whoa, you like the Talking Heads too? What are you doing Friday?) I think that my lame lines and technique worked because I've always been pretty good looking, even when carrying a bunch of extra weight like I was for a good portion of college.

Problem is, though, I almost never got second dates, and I can count on one hand the actual romantic relationships I've been in. So I didn't look as good as you did, but where I made up for it in boldness didn't really get me much.

I plan on getting back out there in the second half of this year, but one problem I've always had is momentum. When I've not been actively dating for about six years, it's going to be hard to make myself gather up that inertia after so long. Although it could be worse...I'm still mistaken for being in my early 20s.
 
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