Have any of you given up on women?

Gasman12

Chicken
When I was younger, my father taught me not to date and not to have sex before marriage. As a result, I've actually never dated a woman, nor have I had sex, and I'm in my mid-20s. This actually makes me feel very insecure, because it is the one area of my life where I almost completely lack experience. Knowing that most of the women I meet have much more sexual and relationship experience than I do makes me feel inadequate.
I wish my dad had that talk with me. I am in my early 30s. I may not have as much experience as some of the older guys on here but I have dipped my toes into the abyss and now I realize sex should only be within the confines of marriage. Purely utilitarian and transactional outside of it. Regardless of all the stuff you hear about women, notch counts and pair bonding, nobody who has commited sin through fornication is left unscathed. Men just adapt and deal with it better.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
The more you think about it the more you realize that bizarro world got even more bizarre in modernity regarding what we are evolutionarily, mainly biologically speaking, because it certainly isn't societally. In the past few posts you have the wisdom of Proverbs. When were women married or with a partner in that epoch? Yes, 14-16 years of age, generally that was the back end, too. Think of how different that is from now, especially given the nutrition from 1900 until now causing earlier and earlier menses for women (ages 8-11 depending on race at this point, in many cases). An early 20s man in many ways is no match for the maturity of an early 20s women (not necessarily mentally, but physically and experientially). I think the key is that in most cases, not all, there just has to be that gap. This, on top of the education of women/careerism, and survival not being relevant in the minds of people, is why we have so many problems.

Perhaps the dumbest thing about being a human being with an evolutionary history in this world that dominates everything is that no matter what the epoch, there's always some problem to complain about. That's the other intrinsic or unseen point of the Proverbs wisdom.
 

Joe316

Robin
When I was younger, my father taught me not to date and not to have sex before marriage. As a result, I've actually never dated a woman, nor have I had sex, and I'm in my mid-20s. This actually makes me feel very insecure, because it is the one area of my life where I almost completely lack experience. Knowing that most of the women I meet have much more sexual and relationship experience than I do makes me feel inadequate.

Consider it a blessing. I slowly phased out "dating" mid-20s, when I realized it comes with baby murder as inherent consequence. As a result I haven't been in any "relationship" for a while. But I don't regret missing this "experience", which was pro-sin and anti-life. (I was already pro-life back then without being raised as a Christian.)

For a long time growing up, I desired a girlfriend, but once I realized why I wanted one, my desire began to weaken. My life is somewhat busy right now, and courting would take more of what little free time I have. I don't want to have children anytime soon, so there really is no reason for me to court.

Mid 20s to early 30s is a great time for a man to pursue marriage with children. The world makes you worry about materialistic requirements too early and about a suitable mother for your children too late.
 
Now I came to a Christian perspective I'm changing my lifestyle towards women/relationships/marriage. I find it very hard to believe I will have women in my life intimately, for I come to understand more and more that this goes against the will of God and also hits my conscience as I find that I value things like obedience and faithfulness and community above all. Living a secular dating lifestyle will bring me darkness, I know as I've done it, so although the thought of never having a woman until you marry (and given to contemporary circumstance and the feeling I have where this is going I don't think it's likelike I will marry, at least not soon) is tough and challenging, I come to understand that that is the only path towards the light in this regard. Moreover, if you come form a Christian perspective isn't every secular relationship doomed to fail, as values differ and she never will be peaceful, faithful and long term thinking in that regard?
 

Joe316

Robin
Now I came to a Christian perspective I'm changing my lifestyle towards women/relationships/marriage. I find it very hard to believe I will have women in my life intimately, for I come to understand more and more that this goes against the will of God and also hits my conscience as I find that I value things like obedience and faithfulness and community above all.

House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the Lord. - Proverbs 19:14.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
Now I came to a Christian perspective I'm changing my lifestyle towards women/relationships/marriage. I find it very hard to believe I will have women in my life intimately, for I come to understand more and more that this goes against the will of God and also hits my conscience as I find that I value things like obedience and faithfulness and community above all. Living a secular dating lifestyle will bring me darkness, I know as I've done it, so although the thought of never having a woman until you marry (and given to contemporary circumstance and the feeling I have where this is going I don't think it's likelike I will marry, at least not soon) is tough and challenging, I come to understand that that is the only path towards the light in this regard. Moreover, if you come form a Christian perspective isn't every secular relationship doomed to fail, as values differ and she never will be peaceful, faithful and long term thinking in that regard?
I'm older, and sorta hoping this isn't the case, but it seems quite obvious - in the west I don't really even expect anything. For this reason it's quite honestly ridiculous in that it seems that you have to choose monk, virtual monk, or shrug your shoulders status on taking women seriously at all. That or try international and see what it brings, which has been on hold for the better part of a year now. Currently in the west, you can see why things are so sad between men and women, because so few women bring anything to the table, even if a guy does.
 
I haven't necessarily given up on women, but I don't plan on looking for one to marry at the moment.

I thought about the prospect of courting/dating with the intent of finding a potential wife, and I eventually realized that the main reason I desired a woman was that 1) I felt insecure about myself, and 2) I desired sex.

When I was younger, my father taught me not to date and not to have sex before marriage. As a result, I've actually never dated a woman, nor have I had sex, and I'm in my mid-20s. This actually makes me feel very insecure, because it is the one area of my life where I almost completely lack experience. Knowing that most of the women I meet have much more sexual and relationship experience than I do makes me feel inadequate.

I know it's silly to feel that way. I know chastity is a virtue for both men and women, and I've been working on letting go of that feeling.

My father told me that I should look into courtship, but I don't believe anyone does that anymore outside of strict Catholic or Orthodox churches. I am a Christian, and I do my best to live a godly life, but I don't belong to any particular denomination.

For a long time growing up, I desired a girlfriend, but once I realized why I wanted one, my desire began to weaken. My life is somewhat busy right now, and courting would take more of what little free time I have. I don't want to have children anytime soon, so there really is no reason for me to court.

Honestly, the whole idea of dating/courting sounds like a hassle to me. When I do have free time, I'd rather spend it riding my motorcycle instead. Maybe that sounds immature, but I guess I'm just not ready for a family yet.

I've decided to focus on improving my life in every area (family, finances, friends, spirituality) while praying to God to help me find a good woman to marry and have a family with some day, if it is His will. If He desires I live this life as a celibate (and I have no problem with that), then so be it.

I realize that most of the women nowadays are lost and confused, just like most men, but it is our duty as men to lead by example and live virtuous lives. I know there are still some virtuous women out there seeking men like us.
You are spot on man. I'm in virtually the same position. I don't think men should "look" for a woman. I used to have that same feeling like something was missing and that I needed a woman in my life. But once you return to God, you become whole and can just be open to it happening naturally. Like you said, as men it is on us to go to God for love. Then we can share that love with a woman. If you go looking for love in a woman, you will not find it.

As for women having more experience, I totally get this feeling but I wouldn't draw any conclusions from whatever sample you're looking at (college girls, online, etc.). You'll know if you meet the right woman whose faith is in the right place. True repentance is impossible to miss. Though I have yet to meet a repentant woman (still plenty of time), I think a lot of girls do regret sleeping with guys in college but are just not in a place where they are ready to repent. They'd rather chalk it up to a "learning experience" and avoid confronting the real, deep issues in their life or family relationships that led them to rebel or succumb to the world in that way.

We as men today have our work cut out for us. We don't live in healthy times. But I think the man who chooses a Christian life has always found himself in the minority. We can't know what is in store for us. I'm happy living a celibate life, developing my faith, and letting God steer the ship.
 

Joe316

Robin
I'm older, and sorta hoping this isn't the case, but it seems quite obvious - in the west I don't really even expect anything. For this reason it's quite honestly ridiculous in that it seems that you have to choose monk, virtual monk, or shrug your shoulders status on taking women seriously at all. That or try international and see what it brings, which has been on hold for the better part of a year now. Currently in the west, you can see why things are so sad between men and women, because so few women bring anything to the table, even if a guy does.

The West might be beyond saving and about to receive God's judgement.

You are spot on man. I'm in virtually the same position. I don't think men should "look" for a woman. I used to have that same feeling like something was missing and that I needed a woman in my life. But once you return to God, you become whole and can just be open to it happening naturally. Like you said, as men it is on us to go to God for love. Then we can share that love with a woman. If you go looking for love in a woman, you will not find it.

When you go look in churches, you find what you find elsewhere: Temptations to fornicate - either lived out openly or swept under the rug. It's the social norm now.

As for women having more experience, I totally get this feeling but I wouldn't draw any conclusions from whatever sample you're looking at (college girls, online, etc.). You'll know if you meet the right woman whose faith is in the right place. True repentance is impossible to miss. Though I have yet to meet a repentant woman (still plenty of time), I think a lot of girls do regret sleeping with guys in college but are just not in a place where they are ready to repent. They'd rather chalk it up to a "learning experience" and avoid confronting the real, deep issues in their life or family relationships that led them to rebel or succumb to the world in that way.

All these things happening at college in America happen at high school in Europe.

We as men today have our work cut out for us. We don't live in healthy times. But I think the man who chooses a Christian life has always found himself in the minority. We can't know what is in store for us. I'm happy living a celibate life, developing my faith, and letting God steer the ship.

It's interesting how fascinated women get with men choosing a Christian life, but for themselves they choose a marriage, where their husband submits to them. More often than not a non-Christian - so they can exercise their spiritual superiority.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
The West might be beyond saving and about to receive God's judgement.

I am open to everything but people throw this around and I'm not even sure they know what they mean when referring to it. Can you explain what you take it to mean? For example, Roosh recently referred to that preacher who made comments in some version of the Bible, who was saying America is under judgment on the basis of the text of St. Paul's letter to the Romans. Indeed, that is what is going on, but it's also a type, a cycle, all of the above. Do you suggest major natural disasters are coming? War? Economic collapse? All of the above? We've been posting on this forum for almost 2 decades now saying such things. Again, I tend to think those things will be occurring in short order (next 3-5 years?), but something also tells me we throw a lot of shit at the wall and apparently, most of it doesn't stick.

When you go look in churches, you find what you find elsewhere: Temptations to fornicate - either lived out openly or swept under the rug. It's the social norm now.
Women pushed into careers, lack of real community and proximity for most American christians ... looking back I was in a great community but most of what all of us were doing (and it turned out only 10-15% were really dedicated, mostly others just fulfill religious impulses then go back home for another secular work week and parties) was confounded by the culture. I think the only ones that really held this matchmaking requisite together were the very ethnic, and then it just takes on more generation for their kids to not care due to wealth, multiculturalism, careers, etc.
All these things happening at college in America happen at high school in Europe.
Europe should be under much greater judgment than America even, they rejected Christianity long ago and are far more socialist communist. All we can do is point to muslim invasions, there, and I guess coming economic crises as well.
It's interesting how fascinated women get with men choosing a Christian life, but for themselves they choose a marriage, where their husband submits to them. More often than not a non-Christian - so they can exercise their spiritual superiority.
As we have stated, there are so few christians at this point, it's odd to consider that men outnumber women (they do) for mostly biological and material reasons - the leader vs follower thing, the interest in principle over relationships/feeelings spectrum. It's bizarre to think that in a certain sense, a non christian woman at this point (compared to the west) might be more christian in the sense that she actually listens and follows her man, if she does. I hesitate to make that a literal statement, but I think you get the idea.
 

Joe316

Robin
I am open to everything but people throw this around and I'm not even sure they know what they mean when referring to it. Can you explain what you take it to mean? For example, Roosh recently referred to that preacher who made comments in some version of the Bible, who was saying America is under judgment on the basis of the text of St. Paul's letter to the Romans. Indeed, that is what is going on, but it's also a type, a cycle, all of the above. Do you suggest major natural disasters are coming? War? Economic collapse? All of the above?

There is no need for old fashioned brimstone. Letting dark forces rule and destroy everything the reprobates worshiped before they get jabbed to death is more than good enough. This is what it looks like is going on since 2020.

Women pushed into careers, lack of real community and proximity for most American christians ... looking back I was in a great community but most of what all of us were doing (and it turned out only 10-15% were really dedicated, mostly others just fulfill religious impulses then go back home for another secular work week and parties) was confounded by the culture.

"Sunday Christian" culture, exactly.

Europe should be under much greater judgment than America even, they rejected Christianity long ago and are far more socialist communist. All we can do is point to muslim invasions, there, and I guess coming economic crises as well.

Indeed, that society is going down now.

As we have stated, there are so few christians at this point, it's odd to consider that men outnumber women (they do) for mostly biological and material reasons - the leader vs follower thing, the interest in principle over relationships/feeelings spectrum. It's bizarre to think that in a certain sense, a non christian woman at this point (compared to the west) might be more christian in the sense that she actually listens and follows her man, if she does. I hesitate to make that a literal statement, but I think you get the idea.

I fully get what you mean. I met many women raised Christian, who respond better to an unbeliever running degenerate fornication game, then expect you to play along with the "get proselytized" spiel (or not to not lose frame) and you're set.
 

Joe316

Robin
So your take is that it will be quite obvious that people will have bad reactions and or die in the coming year - those that took the vaccine, that is?

I see how the western idol worshiping party came to an swift end last year and since then the tribunal is going on. People desperately trying to get back their old lifestyle will be judged accordingly.
 
I'd really be careful on passing judgement toward Europe as an American. After all, most of what we consume is from your (((entertainment))) industry. However, I do agree that Americans in general are not as anti-christian, yet, as opposed to Western Europe.
By the way, I think it is better, if the churches are full on a Sunday and 80 percent of people are "Sunday christians" than having the demographic I often encounter in European churches (90 percent 60+yo). Part of the problem of wahmen being grossly against their nature is that men put up with too much s**t. If more men just said "No", wahmen would not be so verbal.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
I see how the western idol worshiping party came to an swift end last year and since then the tribunal is going on. People desperately trying to get back their old lifestyle will be judged accordingly.
This very well may be true, "we" may be locked out of that manner of living. I guess that could be the start of the "judgment". To what "Tribunal" do you refer?
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
I'd really be careful on passing judgement toward Europe as an American. After all, most of what we consume is from your (((entertainment))) industry. However, I do agree that Americans in general are not as anti-christian, yet, as opposed to Western Europe.
By the way, I think it is better, if the churches are full on a Sunday and 80 percent of people are "Sunday christians" than having the demographic I often encounter in European churches (90 percent 60+yo). Part of the problem of wahmen being grossly against their nature is that men put up with too much s**t. If more men just said "No", wahmen would not be so verbal.
I'm speaking the truth on what I have observed for the last 20 years. If you want to call that judgment, fine. Christianity made Europe great, otherwise they would have been the equivalent of modern CCP China (gifted materialists) long ago. That is, even more so.

The EU is all about faith in government as the savior, that was a type of the mark that has been around for the last half of the 20th century and to now. Ironically that was "imported" to the US, just as the US exported all the filth you are pointing out. The rejection (not by all, by most) of Christianity in Spain, Italy, Greece, let alone the coldness and even utter rejection of the northern europeans toward Christ in places like Ireland, France and Germany ... let alone Scandinavia ... yikes. Some of these places were a bastion of Saints and monasteries even to this day.

The sad truth is that with wealth, medicine and not a balance of tradition and harder living (worry of survival), too many men are around and women get awful. Period. Throw some globalist manipulation on top of that and you have literally the devil's playground. Fast forward to today. Damn.
 

Mikeyd03

Robin
I fell into a pretty blackpilled outlook on women the past couple of years. After some introspection there were a couple of factors that erupted into this period of hatred for women:

-The relationship I had with my mother: I won't go into details, but this unstable relationship was one factor.

-My location/culture: I live in the USA.......after interacting with foreign women I can confirm that women here are truly brainwashed by feminist propaganda. Their egos are pumped from years of online dating and further supplemented by the current social media age.

-I indulged in a regular diet of redpill/mgtow content......this further ingrained and brought to the forefront of my mind that ALL women are hypergamous and only love what a man can provide for them.

-I blamed women entirely for my horrible experience in the dating market.....not taking much responsibility myself.

-I watched a lot of pornography and regularly felt the need to pursue my lusts.

I really had to take a step back and look at myself in the mirror. "Is focusing all my energy into anger at the opposite sex benefitting me and my life?"

The honest answer was, "no".

I was watching a video from a famous trader and he spoke a line that really hit me: "We can never eliminate toxic/negative beliefs, but we can control how much energy we put into them."

And I realized I was putting all my energy into these beliefs......constantly trying look at the world through a red pilled lens. The truth is always somewhere in between.

There are still good women out there.......but really the world needs men to start leading way.

I can't control the OnlyFans, the instathots making millions off of nothing, the imbalance of online dating, the lack of interested women due to an absolute plethora of options on their end.....

I can just control my own tiny circle of life: I can try to eliminate bad habits (pornography, idleness, negative thought patterns, etc) and take responsibility for my own life.

Just putting my energy into the beliefs that improve my outlook on the world and life.

No doubt....these are extraordinary times with COVID, AI fueled racial tension, rampant feminism and satanic technocratic elites......

But change all starts at the individual level. Most of you here know what I mean by that.

Good luck brothers.
 

monsquid

Kingfisher
I have to admit, it's very trying to stay positive about women in general. I want to have a family and live a normal life but it seems like that is impossible. God helps me find beauty in other things in life.
 

Qivar

Pigeon
The difference between loneliness and living with a parasitic woman is like the difference between sadness and depression.

Sadness comes and goes, it's sharp and instant but eventually goes away.


Depression? nothingness, silence, just a lingering pain ..
you no longer enjoy what you like or even get upset about anything ..
 

fortyfive

Sparrow
After swallowing red pill, there is only one possible way, how to again live a normal life. I mean natural, satisfying life, not a fake advertisement happiness parody.

Because seen truth cannot be unseen or reverted, then the only reasonable way is to going forward.
Going forward means entering the final stage of grief and understanding how things are and will be. Forever.
The final stage is acceptance.

You need to know the truth about women and accept it.
Without acceptance, you'll be constantly suffering because your belief doesn't match with observed reality.
Without acceptance, you'll be constantly expecting things from women, which they aren't capable of.

You'll be constantly expecting fairytales and you'll be constantly disappointed because women are not princesses from fairytales.
But they are not devils too.

There is only one kind of woman on this earth. A fallen human being like we men are.
Accept it.
 
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