Have any of you given up on women?

Aizen

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I'm 23. Had a girlfriend last year who I met through a friend, but dropped her before I made my move overseas. She was "actively Muslim" , but also completely degenerate, always seeking fornication and easy-dopamine activities (Netflix, etc). She was more feminine than any Anglo woman I've ever known, but that doesn't really say much. Heavily into rap music and "Muslim female independence", I found her to be a bad influence. Soon I would dread having to stay over her place, as she was a net drain on my energy and a risk to my spirit.

Before that, I was not actively seeking a woman. Most females in NYC are a hot mess and suffer from at least one mental illness, in addition to delusion. The "pandemic" hysteria just widened the quality gap considerably. The majority of women were not worth my time, let alone a glance, and that was before they muzzled up. With a mask on they only evoke my disdain.

Until I meet a woman who is as feminine and submissive the Japanese exes I've had, I am abstaining from giving females any of my attentive energy. This is the bar I have set for the next woman. Until then, I will be volcel, focusing on getting closer to God and improving my lot in life.
 

tomzestatlu

Kingfisher
Agnostic
A lot of guys here blame women for destroying society. I agree, that nowadays women are too bad (and I am not even living in the west), but women are followers. Who is responsible for this, are weak males. Only small percents of males are living up to their potential, why should we expect being perfect from women?
I am disguisted with girls and women of today´s, but how can we expect them to act the way, they have never seen before? Woman´s brain provides some basic traits that can be equipped with right thoughts and then they become good wifes and mothers, but their whole life, they are being programmed opposite.

When I was younger, I was into different subcultures (it can be different, punk, hardcore, skinheads, skate,..) and I noticed one thing. These subcultures define themself most importantly by clothes. And when there was a guy and he started to date some girl, usually girl started to follow the same genre as the guy (mostly it resulted in wearing clothes or brands typical for that subculture). That´s how the most girls ended up in that subcultures, they just followed a man.
Unfortunately, today everything is dominated by social media. Also they are being indoctrinalized on universities, TV and so.

My last try for LTR was a religious girl from Poland. I had really high expectations, Poland is far the most conservative country around, but I overlooked the fact she has got 2 degrees and works for huge German corportate. She has gone totally mad, when I mentioned such things as "having children can fulfill women much more than career" or "women in difference from men have an age ceiling, when it comes to having children". Also she said she´s not sure if she ever wants to have children. At first, I thought I don´t want to deal with her at all, but I realized one thing. She´ s not to blame. This situation in which is caught up is not her fault and she´s the one, who suffers the most. When she had a weak moment, she confessed to me with tears in her eyes, that she is totally lost in her life, is seriously depressed, is extremely unhappy with herself, doesn´t actually want to do this job and she´s lost in her relationship with God. Also, when she visited her sister, who has small infant, she was playing with him all the time and she seemed to be the happiest I have ever seen.
It´s painful to see, what does this system do to such sweet and feminine creature. But when she doesn´t have this weak moments, she just continues her globo career dream. Unfortunately she´s not ready to accept the truth at this moment. Hopefully she will be able to do so, before it´s too late for her. But the only one who can show her another way is a man.

Over last 3 years I have met hundreds of girls from different countries and I can say one thing. All of them are indoctrinated (99.9% of them are from different countries of Eastern Europe). The more valuable girl is, the more indoctrinated she is. Girl with really good looks and high IQ (=ideal genetical material) is touched the most, because she has never-fading abundance of potential high-value men and good chance for succes (inteligent hard-working woman can easily out-perform her mediocre male colleagues and together with atractivity, she can easily climb the ladder really high).
I was dating different girls from age 16 (it´s legal in my country) to almost 40 and I can say, they younger generation, the worse. I would say, that last few of good women are somewhere around 35 now and when I take into account, that I am 28 and my ideal acquitance age can be somewhere between 21-23, I am pretty fcked up. Brain of that young girls is so much out of reality, that I can´t imagine consequences on their future life, when they become adult (because they are too far from adult).

Maybe I am indoctrinized too. Because I have high demands on women, when it comes to "genetics", she can provide. If I would settle with less, I could have actually get a girl, who´s willing to have children, cook and become dishwasher. But I demand much more, especially on intellect part. I met a lot of basic and mediocre girls to whom I probably was genetically superior and with whom I could potentially form a partnership and start a family. I am not interested in this, but if having a family (dominated only by man) no matter what was my goal, it´s possible.

My conclusion:
This system is totally mess and our kind will be really lucky, if we barely survive. But generally, women are not responsible for this situation they were put in (of course they are responsible for their bad decisions, but we speak about women generally), while men are responsible for every small decision in their life and to carry the burden and lead women by example (even though it won´t be enough in the most cases because of extreme reprogramming). It takes deep consideration, whether it´s worth to chase women and maybe it´s favorable to refocus the energy onto something else for some period of life, but "giving up" is not okay. Men should never "give up" on anything.
While girl pursuing a career was put into that situation and we can only pity her, soyboy is totally responsible for every aspect of his life and he should get no sympathy.
If we want women to be feminine, why are we putting a man´s burden of responsibility on them? They are just followers.
 
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N°6

Hummingbird
Scripture itself urges men to forget women and pursue God instead. Historically few men have been able to do that --- even those in the churches --- but perhaps with the cultural decline and its baleful effects on women in particular, we will see a generation of men seeking their Creator instead. One can but hope...

The churches haven’t been able to respond to the massive societal change brought about by women delaying marriage until around 30. Young Christian men used to just have to wait for a few years until marriage, now they see none of their older friends marry because it doesn’t happen to men until early 30s.

In effect, the average age of men’s first marriage is two decades after puberty when the sex before marriage window was traditionally a matter of a few years.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
I gave up on women a LONG time ago. I came to the red pill through MGTOW. The older I get, the more I understand/relate to/enjoy women, not sexually, but just as nurturing/child like/fun people to be around. I would rather sit and talk to most women than many men. Mostly because so few men I can share much with in this day and age but with women I can laugh and have small chat and enjoy myself.

The economy is really bad, and it is going to get worse. Women will always want a man who can take care of them, no matter how much they lie and scream "independent". It is how they are hardwired/designed by God.

I am open to finding a woman and having kids, in fact I would really like to do so, but not until I can figure out a way to pay for it. By that, I mean a independent source of income that doesn't depend on a layoff happy corporate job or a repeat the blue pill lies govt. job. Until I find this then I am staying away from women.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
I'm in the same boat bro. It sucks.
I feel bad for you guys. But as a guy in his 40's, I think of all the guys my age who did get married based on lust or just in a hurry (it was much easier to find a wife 20 years ago) and now their lives are complete misery. Just a struggle to get through each day with no hope or end in sight.

Be patient and focus on improving yourself.
 

GWYW2015

 
Banned
Orthodox
For me it's been an enlightening, frightening, and also now somewhat exciting experience for me to arrive at a time in life when meeting a suitable woman for marriage and children (age, beliefs, history, character) becomes a remote possibility (especially given the current indefinite Lockdowns).

Although the reasons I'm in this situation are unique, there are plenty of men and women who pass through the partnering stage of life without success and simply resolve to move on with their life in different ways. I've met a few of them recently, and have more empathy and insight into how people create a life that is not based around marriage and children. I don't envy most of them, and some seem immature - stuck as adolescents - but we all adapt to our situations I suppose.

In some ways I feel it a waste and failure not to pass on my relatively good genetics, but it could be worse.

The last-minute scramble of the 'buzzer-beater' (man or woman) is not a mindset I want to take on, and I've hard some tough moments of self-reflection and re-assessment (on-going) to come to terms with the future without a woman (or at least in the ideal sense of meeting when we're younger etc.).
I didn't get married until I was 53, and now for lack of trying. I looked overseas (Philippines) and got married fast. No reqrets. There is nothing better than a good woman (and there is nothing worse than a bad one). No need to give up, you just may need to do the unthinkable and look in another country.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
@tomzestatlu

I don't necessarily disagree, but that women aren't to blame is pretty much irrelevant. In another sense, it's telling in that we are dealing with something biological that is beyond our control, as well.

Women have been led astray. Ok, I agree. How does that help me? Ha, it doesn't. We can always blame men --- hell, women do that all the time too. That doesn't help us find a good helpmate, improve families and societies, or any of the other goals we want to accomplish.

I still believe there are women out there but I'm basically a firm believer in the lottery theory of women, at this point in life, being from and living in the USA. Even if you are tall and successful, and from a good family, etc to boot ... barely anyone hooks you up but with marginal women (nice girls but 4s or 5s) or bailout types (oldies).

That's not what successful or masculine man commits a ton of his time and resources for.
 

Jive Turkey

Woodpecker
Other Christian
I wouldn't say I've given up, but I've put them on the backburner of the backburner. I'm pretty sure a lot of really powerful people want us dead or in concentration camps, so I'd rather not fall in love with someone and have them torn away from me and have to bear the thought of them being tortured.

I'm more focused on God. I was addicted to porn for over a decade, and recently, God has given me relief from this addiction. Right now I am satisfied and appreciative to just not be in the thralls of lust every day. I am just focusing on my salvation. The world seems to be falling apart, and a Godly woman means marriage, which means sex, which means children, and I absolutely have no desire to bring a child into this insanity.

So instead I am choosing celibacy. So far, so good. Feminine companionship as @It_is_my_time mentioned is still appreciated in small doses in a public setting among others, but I'm not looking for anything that goes beyond that. But who knows, His will be done.
 

tomzestatlu

Kingfisher
Agnostic
@tomzestatlu

I don't necessarily disagree, but that women aren't to blame is pretty much irrelevant. In another sense, it's telling in that we are dealing with something biological that is beyond our control, as well.

Women have been led astray. Ok, I agree. How does that help me? Ha, it doesn't. We can always blame men --- hell, women do that all the time too. That doesn't help us find a good helpmate, improve families and societies, or any of the other goals we want to accomplish.

I still believe there are women out there but I'm basically a firm believer in the lottery theory of women, at this point in life, being from and living in the USA. Even if you are tall and successful, and from a good family, etc to boot ... barely anyone hooks you up but with marginal women (nice girls but 4s or 5s) or bailout types (oldies).

That's not what successful or masculine man commits a ton of his time and resources for.
I get your point. I think it´s hard to explain and maybe it sounds ilogical, but I believe, that women on individual level are responsible (for decisions they make and they can´t be excused for bad decisions), but on general level women (as a whole demograhic group) aren´t to blame, because they only follow. We can only argue, who´s responsible for the decay of society (in women´s case it´s feminism, putting career over family, self-destroying), but I guess the most important is to figure out how to deal with situation on our personal level and how to build working families and honestly, I don´t know.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
I think I do, but the problem is that given the vast diversity of personality and matching, you need to make generalizations and understand that probability is low, that's all. Yes, it only takes 1 but it is that much harder to come across even 1 if you can't meet, say, 10 that are reasonable, and beyond that, compatible with you.
 

stugatz

Pelican
Catholic
I've more or less taken a hiatus from dating women since 2016. (Women haven't stopped being interested in me, though, and if anything seem to be more interested in me than they were!) My twenties were a disaster with women - but let's just say that even though it was, I didn't lack worldly experience with them, if you catch my drift. Even though I have never been a catch in recent memory, I never had to work too hard to find a woman willing to give me a shot.

I'm financially not able to budget for dating right now, and have little to offer a woman anyway. I'm not that old...just focusing on myself right now, and we'll see who I meet in the meantime. Chasing women bankrupted me and caused me to squander years of my life, and I want some time alone right now.
 

Zagor

Woodpecker
Not given up, but they are not a priority. Kinda miss my old girlfriend to be honest. She was probably what you would call a unicorn. Feminine, slim, religious and conservative, comes from a delightful family, knows to do and enjoy all household chores, adores children (is a school teacher) ecc.. I remember once we were discussing something and I suggested a certain course of action and she said she will follow her father's advice on the matter. I said something along the lines that she should listen to me to which she replied 'At the moment you're not the most important man of my life, when you wife me I will listen to you.' Damn what a woman. What a fool I've been.
 

indokiwi

Pigeon
Protestant
I'm financially not able to budget for dating right now, and have little to offer a woman anyway. I'm not that old...just focusing on myself right now, and we'll see who I meet in the meantime. Chasing women bankrupted me and caused me to squander years of my life, and I want some time alone right now.

I'm in exactly the same situation man. Being alone and discipling yourself for the time being will be make you a good leader and that will help you in any future relationship.
 

Zeknichov

 
Banned
I've given up in the sense that I fully believe 100% that I won't ever find a suitable wife who I love to mother any children for me. At the same time, despite fully believing 100% I won't find this, I am still pursuing it because I've pursued everything else I desire in life. I'm fit, I eat healthy, I have a great education and career that pays extremely well, I've explored my spirituality, I read lots of books, I've traveled, I've played sports, I've done all sorts of outdoors stuff, etc... I'm done with training for an exam I'll never take and I currently already partake in all the things that interest me. The only thing I'm working on now that I care for and haven't done before is starting a business and that's proving the hardest of any task, perhaps besides women.

I'm pretty at a loss. I'm 32yo for reference. I should be at the "prime of my life" some would say: I'm fairly good looking and I'm well established but the women thing just doesn't work for me. I don't think I'll truly ever quell my desire for women. Many Christians/MGTOW on here try to advocate dropping that for God or "yourself" instead but I've done that before too, for periods of time. I always come back to a primal desire for love and affection from a woman but it must be the right woman. I have no intention of demeaning myself in the manner so many men do in these modern "relationships".
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
Also, Scripture and the Church have always taught that those who can bear celibacy should do so for the glory of God, while those who "burn with passion" should get married to avoid the sin of fornication. Both marriage and celibacy are considered a "white martyr" (ie, bloodless) path to salvation.

Low sex drive people shouldn't marry. Because I think they don't burn with passion and its much easier for them to be celibate. And those who burn with passion for each other are able to fulfil the marital obligations much easier.
 

bmw633

Woodpecker
I was in the same boat as you two years ago, then I decided to take a trip overseas....

Went to the Philippines and met a wonderful woman, a devout Catholic RN, never married, no kids, from a good home. Met her online, after weeding my way past some scammers.

We got married December 2019, and are awaiting her US Embassy Visa interview. It is wonderful having such a sweet, caring woman who is so supportive of me. After previous failed marriages to a narcissist, a BPD, and an alcoholic in the US, I never thought I would find such a good woman.

DM me know if you would like to know more.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
I was in the same boat as you two years ago, then I decided to take a trip overseas....

Went to the Philippines and met a wonderful woman, a devout Catholic RN, never married, no kids, from a good home. Met her online, after weeding my way past some scammers.

We got married December 2019, and are awaiting her US Embassy Visa interview. It is wonderful having such a sweet, caring woman who is so supportive of me. After previous failed marriages to a narcissist, a BPD, and an alcoholic in the US, I never thought I would find such a good woman.

DM me know if you would like to know more.

Are you sure she won't get corrupted by toxic western culture? That's been the experience with other guys who brought over foreign women to the USA.
 
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Jive Turkey

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Not given up, but they are not a priority. Kinda miss my old girlfriend to be honest. She was probably what you would call a unicorn. Feminine, slim, religious and conservative, comes from a delightful family, knows to do and enjoy all household chores, adores children (is a school teacher) ecc.. I remember once we were discussing something and I suggested a certain course of action and she said she will follow her father's advice on the matter. I said something along the lines that she should listen to me to which she replied 'At the moment you're not the most important man of my life, when you wife me I will listen to you.' Damn what a woman. What a fool I've been.
Why didn't you marry her dawg?
 
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