Have any of you given up on women?

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Find a woman that loves you.
This is a critical point, the rub is that most of the women in the West (and thus why I talk about overseas so much) that love you are so far below your SMV it would almost do certain damage to the relationship unless you're a real martyr. I'm willing to admit that, at least - that I couldn't be that type of martyr. Rather, I guess I don't want to be, which is a difference for sure.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
I'm just going off my own experience here, but I never see older men out with younger women. And younger women are hesitant to even be seen talking to an older man like me.

I've also noticed that not only do younger women put down younger men on their dating profile as their ideal match, but that even middle-aged women now seem to want to date men their own age or younger. This is something you never saw in the past as women would think it was "icky" to date a man younger than them. Now you see it in films and of course real life which reflects art.

It's like the Globalists just want women of all ages dating men under 40 while starving off older men.
Women of all ages crave social power from men. There are a lot of studies on this.

If you are 40+ and looking for a younger woman to have children with, then you have to dress/play the part of successful alpha. If you are 45 and dressing like a 25 year old, and don't have the confident body language/look in your eye, the women will see you as a failure more so than a 25 year old, simply because the 25 year old has potential and time on their side.

You are going to have to be in peak physical shape. Eating right, working out, and making sure your posture is on point. You need to dress the part, suits, dress shoes, and cleaned up. You need to have the air about you that you are at the top of the social hierarchy and there are good videos on youtube to give off that confident vibe.

And yes, the globalists do want women chasing younger men, because younger men are more fickle and more likely to turn them into career first alpha widon spinsters v. finding a man to love and protect them. 22 year old men are taught to pump and dump women by our media, and this causes great social damage. Men over 30 want settled down relationships and the globalists do NOT want that for their citizens.
 

Maddox

Kingfisher
Protestant
And yes, the globalists do want women chasing younger men, because younger men are more fickle and more likely to turn them into career first alpha widon spinsters v. finding a man to love and protect them. 22 year old men are taught to pump and dump women by our media, and this causes great social damage. Men over 30 want settled down relationships and the globalists do NOT want that for their citizens.

That makes sense. Ugh...I need to get out of this hellscape.
 

Parmesan

Kingfisher
Other Christian
^ Youre defeated before you've even played


Part of the deep rot that infects western civilization is the galactic level irony that everything should be easy
I don’t think it should be easy, but you have to be realistic. I mean, when I was out of high school I thought I’d eventually find some sexy babe to by my girlfriend, despite being a needy virgin, surely a girl will be looking for a nice guy like me! I dress well! I’m edumacated!

Even in very conservative rural communities in the US you won’t really find girls like that, as many just keep their sexy outfits and indescretions secret rather than advertising them to their friends and social media. Most will go off to college and move to a big city to adopt feminist norms, and have no interest in sticking in their small towns to marry some beta their dad wants them to.

Your ROI is going to be incredibly low if you stick to that strict criteria, so low it’s extremely likely you will never find anyone. It might be fun to be a red pill warrior, but if you want to start a family at a reasonable age, you probably should be realistic about what is going to be possible in terms of your mate. You will probably have better returns working on your self worth and becoming as alpha as possible, but even then, a normie chick will need to worship the ground you walk on for her to decide to adopt such criteria.
 

Maddox

Kingfisher
Protestant
Women of all ages crave social power from men. There are a lot of studies on this.

If you are 40+ and looking for a younger woman to have children with, then you have to dress/play the part of successful alpha. If you are 45 and dressing like a 25 year old, and don't have the confident body language/look in your eye, the women will see you as a failure more so than a 25 year old, simply because the 25 year old has potential and time on their side.

You are going to have to be in peak physical shape. Eating right, working out, and making sure your posture is on point. You need to dress the part, suits, dress shoes, and cleaned up. You need to have the air about you that you are at the top of the social hierarchy and there are good videos on youtube to give off that confident vibe.

This used to work back when women weren't weirded out by a man approaching them in a store or on the street. But this younger generation has a bad case of "stranger danger" and freak out when they are approached outside of a bar or club setting.

"Does he want to rape me?"
"Why is he trying to talk to me while I'm grocery shopping?"

Many of them can't even make eye contact with me when I approach on the street. They just stare at their phone or their dog while trying to deal with the reality that a man has just started a conversation with them.

 

Zagor

Kingfisher
I'm just going off my own experience here, but I never see older men out with younger women. And younger women are hesitant to even be seen talking to an older man like me.
I see them all the time, on a daily basis. The business I work for accommodates affluent and high class people and all of those older rich guys have 20-30 years younger women by their side.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
This used to work back when women weren't weirded out by a man approaching them in a store or on the street. But this younger generation has a bad case of "stranger danger" and freak out when they are approached outside of a bar or club setting.

"Does he want to rape me?"
"Why is he trying to talk to me while I'm grocery shopping?"

Many of them can't even make eye contact with me when I approach on the street. They just stare at their phone or their dog while trying to deal with the reality that a man has just started a conversation with them.

Yea, it is real bad out there. I went to college in the 1990's and there were times I walked across campus just to say hi to people on their way to class or get a smile from a girl I didn't know. It was so much fun. I spent hours in the library, not just studying, but meeting people and talking to women.

Those days are long gone sadly. Today you just have to focus on yourself first and then a woman will come along.
 

Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
I'm just going off my own experience here, but I never see older men out with younger women. And younger women are hesitant to even be seen talking to an older man like me.

I've also noticed that not only do younger women put down younger men on their dating profile as their ideal match, but that even middle-aged women now seem to want to date men their own age or younger. This is something you never saw in the past as women would think it was "icky" to date a man younger than them. Now you see it in films and of course real life which reflects art.

It's like the Globalists just want women of all ages dating men under 40 while starving off older men.
In more affluent areas older men with younger women is likely increasing. The reasons for this are multi faceted

I dont know how many times Ive heard young women say “boys” their age worth dating much less committing to are few and far between.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
In more affluent areas older men with younger women is likely increasing. The reasons for this are multi faceted

I dont know how many times Ive heard young women say “boys” their age worth dating much less committing to are few and far between.
I don't think it's ubiquitous at all, but let's hope. A larger factor may be that economic times are getting increasingly stiff, and women being consumers realize overall older men are better options. Even if that is a questionable part of their drive, we'll take anything we can get as they are just women, after all.
 

Alexander_English

 
Banned
Protestant
Understand that to give up on women is to give up on yourself, for your propagation and continuation demands it.

Sometimes giving up on something that has become a snare is necessary to save yourself, and I mean your soul, not your genes/bloodline.

In my particular case, I am fully convinced the temptations that come at me from any woman, primarily getting angry at them, are not something I will overcome by seeking more women. Also I'm convinced I would lose my soul permanently if I continued down the path I was on. I thank God He removed my desire for women and sex altogether. On good days, I feel like Adam in the Garden before God created Eve. Imagine how happy, healthy and free Adam was. No sin could touch him, he was too close to God.

I think God's command to be fruitful and multiply can apply in a spiritual sense, not just a physical sense. Some of us will do much more good work for God by seeking other things, instead of women and family. In case that sounds like a sad coping strategy, I didn't make it up, it is from St. Paul. In my own case it's 100% true.

"Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife... those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short... For the present form of this world is passing away.

I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided... I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord."

Also, what can the following mean, except that there are other kinds of "children" than purely physical ones? There are quite a few passages in scripture similar to this.

Sing, O barren one, who did not bear;
break forth into singing and cry aloud,
you who have not been in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than the children of her who is married
,” says the Lord.
Isaiah 54:1
 
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TheFinalEpic

Pelican
Catholic
Gold Member
Sometimes giving up on something that has become a snare is necessary to save yourself, and I mean your soul, not your genes/bloodline.

In my particular case, I am fully convinced the temptations that come at me from any woman, primarily getting angry at them, are not something I will overcome by seeking more women. Also I'm convinced I would lose my soul permanently if I continued down the path I was on. I thank God He removed my desire for women and sex altogether. On good days, I feel like Adam in the Garden before God created Eve. Imagine how happy, healthy and free Adam was. No sin could touch him, he was too close to God.
I see how bad it is out there, do not get me wrong. I also feel as if women were a snare on my life and I have had to work hard to get out of that snare.

All I am saying is that if you can find a woman that loves you, and loves God (or is on the path), you have a chance.
 

No-Designation Man

Kingfisher
Other Christian
I don't know about 'giving up on women' - once that is done, any opportunity that may present itself would be guaranteed to be missed.

Just stay true to yourself and don't conform to what what Satan's 'modern world' demands of you to prove yourself "A Real Man™". Will your chances of finding someone decrease if you take this route - most definitely so! But if* she were to come along, you're pretty much guaranteed of her being that 'unicorn' wife, at least for you.

For what it's worth: from casual BF/GF, all the way to all the 'happy' marriages (that you're not allowed to have) - most of these 'loving' couples will be turning on each other and also be slaughtering their own children once the SHTF.

Any dating advice I give men in real life (or online) is not to help them "get a girl", per se. My main focus is to help these men get their self-esteem back, by them recognizing "the problem isn't me".

*Not when - keep things realistic; I don't peddle false results, (or pheromone soaps).
 

Cappuccini

Chicken
HOW TO SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF

I would love to make a new thread about this, but since I'm a new member and don't have that privilege yet, I thought that this thread might be the most appropriate place to post it. I had a eureka moment today regarding a foolproof way to separate the female wheat from the chaff IRL, and I need to get it off my chest.

TLDR: To find wife-material women in real life, start publicly wearing t-shirts and baseball caps on which your values are broadcast.

In the immortal words of Dana McLendon, the guy who came up with the ‘Hot Crazy Matrix’, “above an 8 hot and between about a 7 and a 5 crazy… is your wife zone”. In other words, wife-material women are those whom we consider attractive, and whose values align with ours.

In my experience, at least, women above an 8 hot are a dime a dozen; women whose values align with my own are few and far between; and women who possess both of these qualities exist only on the internet. Accordingly, I’d all but given up on finding a wife in everyday life, and concluded that if I’m ever going to marry, it will be to a woman that I’ll find online or overseas.

Today, I went to the YMCA to lift weights with my dad. My dad decided to wear a t-shirt denigrating Canada’s reigning PM. Near the end of our workout, an attractive woman complimented my dad on his shirt. Granted, that’s not saying much value-wise, as everyone and their dog between Winnipeg and the West Coast thinks Trudeau is a moron. But that compliment hit me like a ton of bricks. I felt like Newton getting smoked by that apple.

Maybe I’m the last guy in the world to think of this, and if that’s the case, I apologize for wasting your time. But why don’t we start publicly wearing t-shirts and ball caps on which are values are broadcast? For me, that would mean wearing a t-shirt with a prolife message. It’s not exactly stylish, and doesn’t scream wealth or status, but if we’re well-built, well-groomed, and carry ourselves well, maybe we’ll start getting compliments from virtuous, wife-material women, some of whom might even be attractive.
 

Jive Turkey

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
HOW TO SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF

I would love to make a new thread about this, but since I'm a new member and don't have that privilege yet, I thought that this thread might be the most appropriate place to post it. I had a eureka moment today regarding a foolproof way to separate the female wheat from the chaff IRL, and I need to get it off my chest.

TLDR: To find wife-material women in real life, start publicly wearing t-shirts and baseball caps on which your values are broadcast.

In the immortal words of Dana McLendon, the guy who came up with the ‘Hot Crazy Matrix’, “above an 8 hot and between about a 7 and a 5 crazy… is your wife zone”. In other words, wife-material women are those whom we consider attractive, and whose values align with ours.

In my experience, at least, women above an 8 hot are a dime a dozen; women whose values align with my own are few and far between; and women who possess both of these qualities exist only on the internet. Accordingly, I’d all but given up on finding a wife in everyday life, and concluded that if I’m ever going to marry, it will be to a woman that I’ll find online or overseas.

Today, I went to the YMCA to lift weights with my dad. My dad decided to wear a t-shirt denigrating Canada’s reigning PM. Near the end of our workout, an attractive woman complimented my dad on his shirt. Granted, that’s not saying much value-wise, as everyone and their dog between Winnipeg and the West Coast thinks Trudeau is a moron. But that compliment hit me like a ton of bricks. I felt like Newton getting smoked by that apple.

Maybe I’m the last guy in the world to think of this, and if that’s the case, I apologize for wasting your time. But why don’t we start publicly wearing t-shirts and ball caps on which are values are broadcast? For me, that would mean wearing a t-shirt with a prolife message. It’s not exactly stylish, and doesn’t scream wealth or status, but if we’re well-built, well-groomed, and carry ourselves well, maybe we’ll start getting compliments from virtuous, wife-material women, some of whom might even be attractive.
That is actually kinda genius bro. I will give this a try
 

elkokun

Sparrow
Catholic
Maybe I’m the last guy in the world to think of this, and if that’s the case, I apologize for wasting your time. But why don’t we start publicly wearing t-shirts and ball caps on which are values are broadcast? For me, that would mean wearing a t-shirt with a prolife message. It’s not exactly stylish, and doesn’t scream wealth or status, but if we’re well-built, well-groomed, and carry ourselves well, maybe we’ll start getting compliments from virtuous, wife-material women, some of whom might even be attractive.

I will get a lot of attention if I wear a T-shirt with a slogan saying how satanic the clot shots are
 

rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
I think social media has ruined many women.

How many think the foundation of life is flashing their ass on instagram and generating likes? Too many.

For years feminists would cry about women not being treated as equals. All they want is the same opportunities as men. Well now they're split between being miserable in their chosen career, often single and childless, or being an insta ho.

At the same time most young men in their 20's lack any type of masculinity or work ethic, can't change a tire on a car or operate a lawn mower, and are addicted to porn.


I'm happily married with young children in my 30's, but my observation is the generation just behind me has little to no interest in commitment, pride in oneself, the responsibility which comes with marriage and raising kids, nor a real work ethic. They are going to be real miserable in 10 years.

Work backwards.

I want a happy family with children.

Therefor I need a wife I love and who is interested in having a family and raising children.

So I need to take dating more seriously than a bunch of flings.

But to be taken seriously I need to have my cards in order and career path and income planned out.

Which means I need to commit to a productive lifestyle where personal accountability is the foundation.

And this needs to happen in my early 20's to lay the path for the above.

So if you're in your early 20's and do little beyond gaming and watching porn, or you're an insta ho in your early 20's most interested in likes, then this generation doesn't have much hope.

Of course that creates massive opportunity for those that get it as much of this generation will not be employable.
 

Arcite

Sparrow
So if you're in your early 20's and do little beyond gaming and watching porn, or you're an insta ho in your early 20's most interested in likes, then this generation doesn't have much hope.
The problem is that even if you realize this as a young man, and forgo the video games and porn in favor of your relationship with God and useful skills, the prospects of finding a girl who isn't an instagram ho and instead wants to actually start a family while she still has her fertility are poor.
 

Cartographer

 
Banned
Gold Member
The problem is that even if you realize this as a young man, and forgo the video games and porn in favor of your relationship with God and useful skills, the prospects of finding a girl who isn't an instagram ho and instead wants to actually start a family while she still has her fertility are poor.
I'm curious how you got to this opinion. Are you going off anecdotal evidence? Did this happen to you or many of your friends during your 20s? Several years of pounding the pavement rejecting or getting dozens/hundreds of rejections per year? Seriously asking.

It seems to be a common opinion on this thread, and I don't even disagree that there are general problems with women right now, but I also don't see this being the attitude of someone a woman would want to start a family with. Maybe that's the problem...

Seems to me that doing everything you said would have any good girl in 30 miles circling you like a shark.

Population density these days, I'd guess there are probably dozens of eligible women where you live. And doing that stuff would allow you to move to a place with higher numbers...and you only need one.
 
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Cartographer

 
Banned
Gold Member
HOW TO SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF

I would love to make a new thread about this, but since I'm a new member and don't have that privilege yet, I thought that this thread might be the most appropriate place to post it. I had a eureka moment today regarding a foolproof way to separate the female wheat from the chaff IRL, and I need to get it off my chest.

TLDR: To find wife-material women in real life, start publicly wearing t-shirts and baseball caps on which your values are broadcast.

In the immortal words of Dana McLendon, the guy who came up with the ‘Hot Crazy Matrix’, “above an 8 hot and between about a 7 and a 5 crazy… is your wife zone”. In other words, wife-material women are those whom we consider attractive, and whose values align with ours.

In my experience, at least, women above an 8 hot are a dime a dozen; women whose values align with my own are few and far between; and women who possess both of these qualities exist only on the internet. Accordingly, I’d all but given up on finding a wife in everyday life, and concluded that if I’m ever going to marry, it will be to a woman that I’ll find online or overseas.

Today, I went to the YMCA to lift weights with my dad. My dad decided to wear a t-shirt denigrating Canada’s reigning PM. Near the end of our workout, an attractive woman complimented my dad on his shirt. Granted, that’s not saying much value-wise, as everyone and their dog between Winnipeg and the West Coast thinks Trudeau is a moron. But that compliment hit me like a ton of bricks. I felt like Newton getting smoked by that apple.

Maybe I’m the last guy in the world to think of this, and if that’s the case, I apologize for wasting your time. But why don’t we start publicly wearing t-shirts and ball caps on which are values are broadcast? For me, that would mean wearing a t-shirt with a prolife message. It’s not exactly stylish, and doesn’t scream wealth or status, but if we’re well-built, well-groomed, and carry ourselves well, maybe we’ll start getting compliments from virtuous, wife-material women, some of whom might even be attractive.
That's awesome. Did you get her number?
 

WaywardMan

Pigeon
Oriental Orthodox
At the same time most young men in their 20's lack any type of masculinity or work ethic, can't change a tire on a car or operate a lawn mower, and are addicted to porn.
I'm happy to see this written here, since it resonates very well with my own experiences. Much of my youth was spent with sinful, vain, and materialistic pursuits, and I invested little into my own skills, ethics, and faith.

As a late-bloomer, I did not learn to use common hand tools or cut grass, let alone garden, until within the last 3-4 years. I was a slovenly NEET for a long time, and now I'm too stunted to talk to women, or even try. For now, at least.
And it's entirely my fault for being so nonchalant in the first place.

I like to tell my younger brother, who is still in his early 20s, not to squander those years -- sadly, it seems it's a part of our culture to be ruthlessly idle, and you know what is (or used to be) said about idle hands.
 
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