Have any of you given up on women?

Well, what did you do for the past 20 years when the sex got dull? Since from your words you're implying that you might have been faithful to your wife for this time, and while this is a noble thing to do(and be), us men here know that long term relationship sex is not exactly a rock concert.

You could also speak with your wife and let her know that you feel she has become too preoccupied with your kids and that she needs to enjoy life more like going to gym or hiking or whatever. Or going on vacations. CAREFUL not to push her into wanting to become a slut at old age such as sleeping with the "cute gym instructor"

The sex issue can be fixed by doing sex tourism trips or finding a sugar baby, you say you like asians, well then, you're good to go. See your sugar baby few times per week during day time in order not to rub it in in your wife since she will most likely catch up on it at some point.

It really is that simple. If you blow up your marriage for the 2 week thrill of a tight fun young girl you will regret it forever
I can't speak for other men's LTRs, but this one has been an all singing, all dancing circus live freak show in terms of sex. That was part of the problem. I married a 19 year old who told me I could do anything and she would do anything, no matter how experimental. So when the kids came, this changed, obviously, then sex was just very good. That's satisfactory, but still a step down in quality of life. The adventurous part was taken out.

In essence, yes, I really don't want to blow up my marriage. I'm just telling guys on here who are dreaming of a wife and children, if you get it, even if she is attractive, the kids are beautiful, this is no happiness guarantee. You've not made it. Life goes on. Women who seem perfect at 19 will not be at 41. And then the only option man has is to do it all over again with someone else. So basically, either we cheat, or we go with someone else where we know the exact same issues will come up all over again. Or you stay and end up with a crumpled 55-65 year old that looks and acts like a horror show. You can't win.
 
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When she reaches 75, you will probably be dead by that time.

I understand you struggle, but is there a point of spinning young girls until the end of time? Or what's you endgame?
Seems like instead of solving crisis, you are cowardly running away. New girl will wear off in few months and then you will find another? And then another? I don't know how old are daughters, but girls from such families often end up not in a way anybody at this forum would appreciate.



Also you speak about God. I belong to the minority of forum, who don't belong to any religion, but I can imagine that this is against all the rules, that good believer should follow.
85 is very doable, my old man is 81 and looks 64, only had a hip issue.

That's exactly my point though, if you want to enjoy attractive, fun, young women, you need to check out at some point. If you look around you anyone can do it, who has the financial means, is doing it, Bill Gates, Bezos etc, any guy who can afford it ditches the ancient wife and chooses a newer model. Are women really bearable when they go past 55? I have serious doubts about that man. I'm terrified. I'm barely holding on now, she's 41, still slim, still has sex, but I'd be lying if I said the looks are still the same as when she was 19. There's a huge difference. There's a huge difference in her attitude, character, behaviour, it's all harsher, less eager to please, more selfish. It's still just about bearable now, but I don't know if I can hang on until 55 or past that age.

This is what I'm saying, there is no endgame. The only option is to start with a younger, more attractive, fun woman, who will want everything the previous one wanted, children, marriage. Or you end up as a bitter wasted old man sitting in a Bar in Thailand picking up women who only want you for the money. It's not like we will not hit the wall ourselves, 65, at the very latest. Okay, if you're Don Maclean or a billionaire you'll still have 27 year olds but you won't know if they like you or your cash.

I'm not running away. I'm staying. For now. But I'm sorry, if the woman's looks deteriorate to such an extent, if the character goes south, to such an extent that you can't bear it I'm not staying. I've seen older guys ironing at home, with a woman that looks right out of a horror show. I'm not going that route. I'd rather try with another one or try something else. Of course this is all against the "the rules", but if the rules will mean I'll end up with a crumpled 55, 65 year old woman who is selfish, bitter and less eager to please, then why would I stick to those rules? Most men who have options don't. God, I am sounding like a thot. But I'm telling you, family is no guarantee for happiness.
 

ginsu

Kingfisher
Agnostic
Just take 0.1 seconds to scroll past threads that don't interest you - works for me everytime.
I have no problem with threads that are not interesting, but this one has a particular dark energy. It was started by a troubled younger guy '' chains of peter '' And the thread title itself is a blackpill expression of the state he was in. I have come to associate seeing the title of the thread with this negativity and hopelesness.

Its important to have a place for people to discuss trouble with women even vent and have their ideas checked by other members but because the '' given up on women '' is framed towards the negative this thread is always inviting a downwards spiral unless other members step in to turn it back around towards something more positive and realistic.

That part rubs me the wrong way and that wouldn't be the case if the premise of the thread was framed towards something more productive.
 
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Solitarius

Sparrow
I have no problem with threads that are not interesting, but this one has a particular dark energy. It was started by a very troubled younger guy '' chains of peter '' And the thread title itself is a blackpill that is an expression of the state he was in. So naturally it attracts people who are also lost and venting their bitterness with life and the opposite sex. How else would you come to the point of giving up on women or even discuss such a thing.

The obvious conclusion is to always keep putting in the work to create the circumstances needed for a healthy relationship. its not easy but that's what your role is as a man. To build the power to mold women in your life to suit your vision for the life you want to live. It seems most men are stuck in a victim mindset and think they should just get everything by default.

This thread title is projecting at women the failure of the man himself. Look inward to solve your problems not outward. That goes for @MorganAlpha too.
It doesn't seem to be such a bad thread really. Perhaps a few posts are bad, but simply discussing the idea of giving up on them can't be bad, as the Church imposes on no man an obligation to marry. For many men in this dismal age doing so might well prove to be deliverance from needless suffering, rather like a fish breaking the line & getting away. Suffering can be beneficial for the soul in the form of fasting & so forth, but to suffer as a result of wilful imbecility is blameworthy. Playing the game of these vile modern Jezabels (Douay Rheims spelling) is as foolish as picking up a venomous snake, or trying to sculpt a beautiful statue out of pig dung. Much better to spend one's time on something else.
 

ginsu

Kingfisher
Agnostic
It doesn't seem to be such a bad thread really. Perhaps a few posts are bad, but simply discussing the idea of giving up on them can't be bad, as the Church imposes on no man an obligation to marry. For many men in this dismal age doing so might well prove to be deliverance from needless suffering, rather like a fish breaking the line & getting away. Suffering can be beneficial for the soul in the form of fasting & so forth, but to suffer as a result of wilful imbecility is blameworthy. Playing the game of these vile modern Jezabels (Douay Rheims spelling) is as foolish as picking up a venomous snake, or trying to sculpt a beautiful statue out of pig dung. Much better to spend one's time on something else.
Relating women to being vile and venomous snakes and pig dung is precisely the problem. If someone can not find good women among billions then that is a problem with the man himself. The fact is that most men do not deserve a good woman because most men are not good themselves either and they are not willing to put in the work to improve, instead they just complain and give up.

Giving up on women in this way is bad because its born out of failure and resentment like you are showing. Accepting this personal failure and putting the blame on others is bad. Its not a men vs women thing. its a quality people vs low quality people thing.

We have been gifted with nearly 60 years of adult life on this planet might as well use them and never give up. I have no sympathy for people who give up. Because i myself at one point was unsuccesfull with women, depressed and almost killed myself for it. But i worked through it and since then i have encountered many great women and today I am starting to think that the lack of quality men is a bigger problem.
 

Cartographer

 
Banned
Gold Member
It doesn't seem to be such a bad thread really. Perhaps a few posts are bad, but simply discussing the idea of giving up on them can't be bad, as the Church imposes on no man an obligation to marry. For many men in this dismal age doing so might well prove to be deliverance from needless suffering, rather like a fish breaking the line & getting away. Suffering can be beneficial for the soul in the form of fasting & so forth, but to suffer as a result of wilful imbecility is blameworthy. Playing the game of these vile modern Jezabels (Douay Rheims spelling) is as foolish as picking up a venomous snake, or trying to sculpt a beautiful statue out of pig dung. Much better to spend one's time on something else.
Coming here and complaining non-stop while not taking advice isn't the same thing as what you're describing (I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but others have). If you just re-directed your focus, why use this thread, though? Although it does seem fair that guys who are having trouble should be able to say so and get some help with their situation, which was the whole point of the forum in the first place.
 

scarfaceantonio

Sparrow
Other Christian
I am quite sure, that if you want to be as much SPIRITUAL as possible, then NOT marrying is the better option. Verses from Paul was quoted allready, Peter also "picked up" on this one, like if you are married you also have serve "for the flesh" (at some kind of amout at least). You shouldn't be too hard on this guy. GOD also broke the prophet Jeremia, who was long "struggling with GOD" because he didnt want him to marry, and have him FULLY FOR HIMSELF! Theres no reason to attack a brother if he chooses to stay pure and umarried and want to live more spiritual..... As well as I know, the "144.000" are also male virgins, and they are the "Special troops" in one of the last battles.
Let us see what the father will reveal regarding this problematic question, but I also wish for most of you to marry (GODS way) and produce offspring :)
 
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ginsu

Kingfisher
Agnostic
I am quite sure, that if you want to be as much SPIRITUAL as possible, then NOT marrying is the better option. Verses from Paul was quoted allready, Peter also "picked up" on this one, like if you are married you also have serve "for the flesh" (at some kind of amout at least). You shouldn't be too hard on this guy. GOD also broke the prophet Jeremia, who was long "struggling with GOD" because he didnt want him to marry, and have him FULLY FOR HIMSELF! Theres no reason to attack a brother if he chooses to stay pure and umarried and want to live more spiritual..... As well as I know, the "144.000" are also male virgins, and they are the "Special troops" in one of the last battles.
Let us see what the father will reveal regarding this problematic question, but I also wish for most of you to marry (GODS way) and produce offspring :)
I agree with you but this doesn't need to be said. The type of person that commits to not pursuing a family for a genuine desire to pursue different ( bigger ) goals is only small % of the total. And I respect that, no one is saying that men should be forced.

But we do need to hold each other accountable and up to certain standards.

I am talking about those who give up on something they deeply desire and using spirituality or blaming the quality of women as an excuse to stop pursuing it because its the easier way out. Rather than persevering and having the patience to keep going.

Most fall into the last category and it shows because their resentment from not being able to achieve what they desire in life seeps through, like yourself with the way you compare women to snakes and dung but at the same time talk about spirituality.

To make a choice that means anything you have to actually be in a position to pursue both options. Its not a virtue if you give up something that you didn't have in the first place.
 
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Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
The above conversation servers as a prime example of why Roosh has been trying to teach the lessons he's been teaching for the last few years. A guy achieves what the red pill teaches as the ultimate good - marries a younger wife that isn't a career woman and is devoted to looking after kids, the exact opposite type of woman that the red-pill sphere constantly moans about but yet he is still unsatisfied and restless. Just shows even more than ultimate satisfaction is not to be found in secular world. There is nothing but endless striving.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
Have to comment on this as your posts about your wife are annoying me. Wake up old man, youre like 55 years old and whining that the 19 year old female you got to give you her entire life and 2 kids on top of it is not making your willie spring to action now that she is 42 like the girls on the street do.

That is NORMAL. Sexual attraction is not a PRIORITY in a long term marriage.

What normal sensible men do is get a very low key side chick or pay for escorts. However, you sound like you live in the Devil's lair aka Jewmerica so you're screwed on both fronts - pay 4 play is hilariously overpriced in the Jewmericas so in order to get with an attractive 20 year old like you fantasize for you need to shell out $600 for starfish sex since these paid women scoff at anything below a full night engagement, and if you want to make it a weekly thing that's a $2400 monthly expenditure.

On the other front with the side chick, you're also screwed since the sugar babies in the Jewmericas are spoiled rotten(due to the extremely low amount of slim women in Fatmerica) so they think they deserve a Tom Brady lookalike billionaire sugar daddy and a random 55 yo man on a middle class income is not gonna cut it.

So you have to be straight with yourself - are you going to pull the plug on a 20++ years of marriage which resulted in 2 grown kids with a female that you caught in the teen age or you're gonna suck it up and concentrate on the fact that the grass is not greener on the other side?
Remarkably straight forward accurate post.
 

Cartographer

 
Banned
Gold Member
Respectfully, I'd like to break down your post a bit...
I agree with you but this doesn't need to be said.
I think st. Augustine said in Confessions that it is better for a man not to have a wife because a married man seeks to please his wife rather than God. That's entirely true, imo. But he also said that because most of us aren't able to control our lust that the best solution is to get married rather than sin.

The type of person that commits to not pursuing a family for a genuine desire to pursue different ( bigger ) goals is only small % of the total. And I respect that, no one is saying that men should be forced.
Citation needed

But we do need to hold each other accountable and up to certain standards.

I am talking about those who give up on something they deeply desire and using spirituality or blaming the quality of women as an excuse to stop pursuing it because its the easier way out. Rather than persevering and having the patience to keep going.
I think there's danger here in putting romantic love on a pedestal. What I've learned about myself in the course of this thread is that I idolize a false god of lust. I didn't call it that in my mind, I thought it was an honorable thing to have a wife and family as a goal. But, I've come to see this as a very skewed perspective that grew in my mind over time from advertising, television and peer-pressure in high school and college.

There's a book I'm reading called Breathe by Rickson Gracie. It's a secular book but there's a lot of stuff in it that pertains to this discussion. In the old forum we idolized people like Rickson and his father Helio. One thing I've noticed about my own "success" with women and by studying alpha male behavior is that when I'm truly not worrying about a woman, but focused on my own mission, it's like a magnet for them.
"My mother, Margarida, was a well-educated, upper-class girl whose father was a millionaire who owned a huge import/export company and lots of property. After she divorced her first husband, which was very uncommon in Brazil at the that time, she fell madly in love with Helio, who was a rough guy. Not only did she polish him, she also introduced him to Rio's high society. Even though Margarida was passionately in love with him, their relationship was one-sided. Helio was ice cold and didn't care how anyone felt other than my uncle Carlos. He was an old-fashioned Brazilian macho and believed that women belonged in the nursery and the kitchen. He even went so far as to say he never loved a woman, because love was a manifestation of weakness, and that he had sex only for the sake of procreation. In his mind, his mission was bigger than these kinds of sensitivities."
(Jocko Willink's interview with Rickson)

As a Christian, my mission is to serve my Creator rather than create a new martial art. My desires are of no consequence, though I have a hard time convincing myself this is true. It doesn't matter if women are up to my standards, my standards aren't important. Having a woman isn't important. Having kids isn't important. If God gives you these things they will burden you. Any man whining about not having them should thank his God he doesn't.

Most fall into the last category and it shows because their resentment from not being able to achieve what they desire in life seeps through, like yourself with the way you compare women to snakes and dung but at the same time talk about spirituality.

To make a choice that means anything you have to actually be in a position to pursue both options. Its not a virtue if you give up something that you didn't have in the first place.

Resentment is very clear in some of the complaining on this thread. I think that like you, I've learned that letting that out just shows petty and ungentlemanly character. It offends me deeply like it does with you. But I think my only choice is to serve God or not, and it's one I make or fail to make every hour, every day.
 
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Solitarius

Sparrow
Relating women to being vile and venomous snakes and pig dung is precisely the problem. If someone can not find good women among billions then that is a problem with the man himself. The fact is that most men do not deserve a good woman because most men are not good themselves either and they are not willing to put in the work to improve, instead they just complain and give up.

Giving up on women in this way is bad because its born out of failure and resentment like you are showing. Accepting this personal failure and putting the blame on others is bad. Its not a men vs women thing. its a quality people vs low quality people thing.

We have been gifted with nearly 60 years of adult life on this planet might as well use them and never give up. I have no sympathy for people who give up. Because i myself at one point was unsuccesfull with women, depressed and almost killed myself for it. But i worked through it and since then i have encountered many great women and today I am starting to think that the lack of quality men is a bigger problem.
Fair enough. I agree that most of the men deserve the Jezabels they get because they are of like character to them. To be clear I only meant the uncomplimentary comparison in regard to the vicious self-absorbed whores who are sunk in wickedness. The handful of good women I've known are like angels on earth, just to be in their presence is heartening. They are all older & all married. As for myself I'm content with single blessedness, God willed it, who am I to resist His will? There is a saying in Spanish "Que es la vida sino una preparacion para la muerte?" What is life but a preparation for death? Our fleeting existence in this miserable vale of tears will always know more suffering than happiness. True peace can only be found in Paradise. While we are here it would seem well to take up some of the ideas of the old Stoic philosophers, modified of course to remove anything that would be hateful in the sight of The Almighty.
 

scarfaceantonio

Sparrow
Other Christian
I agree with you but this doesn't need to be said. The type of person that commits to not pursuing a family for a genuine desire to pursue different ( bigger ) goals is only small % of the total. And I respect that, no one is saying that men should be forced.

But we do need to hold each other accountable and up to certain standards.

I am talking about those who give up on something they deeply desire and using spirituality or blaming the quality of women as an excuse to stop pursuing it because its the easier way out. Rather than persevering and having the patience to keep going.

Most fall into the last category and it shows because their resentment from not being able to achieve what they desire in life seeps through, like yourself with the way you compare women to snakes and dung but at the same time talk about spirituality.

To make a choice that means anything you have to actually be in a position to pursue both options. Its not a virtue if you give up something that you didn't have in the first place.

I must say thank you for your objection! This has to be taken into consideration and has to be discerned with self-honesty of course. Especially the last statements, are hard to swallow.... but there is truth in there. Even when "walking alone", ignoring these points could mean also carrying a "sting" within self.... which seems dangerous and hindering. Regarding the snake comparison, I know it sounds scornful, but thats my genuine experience and feeling and perception. Definetly bothering. I will have to pray for discernment .... and be more carefull not to mix different types of women and dynamics in my experience.
 

No-Designation Man

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Respectfully, I'd like to break down your post a bit...

I think st. Augustine said in Confessions that it is better for a man not to have a wife because a married man seeks to please his wife rather than God. That's entirely true, imo.
1 Corinthians 7:32-34

But he also said that because most of us aren't able to control our lust that the best solution is to get married rather than sin.
1 Corinthians 7:36
 

No-Designation Man

Kingfisher
Other Christian
,,, unless other members step in to turn it back around towards something more positive and realistic.

That part rubs me the wrong way and that wouldn't be the case if the premise of the thread was framed towards something more productive.
And you're one of those "other members" of which you speak. If the thread was set to 'ignore' on your end, you wouldn't be in here to help frame this thread towards something more productive. The OP had his reasons for stating what he did, whicheventually led to your reasons for stating (correcting) as you did; your time here wasn't wasted.

Threads like this allow those in strife to receive encouragement, while also facilitating the giving of scriptural 'beat-downs' to unrepentent troublemakers. On top of that, we also give glory to God, as lurkers read the good counsel - while also keeping our own minds/faith sharpened in the process - so it's never a (complete) loss. :)
 
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