Have any of you given up on women?

AwakenedApe

Sparrow
Agnostic
At least you have a little something. I got red-pilled a long time ago but I have the triple-whammy of short, ugly and poor. Anyone I would want can do better than me. I'm mid-50's now and don't have a pot to pee in or a window to throw it out of.
You have nothing to lose. Do an experiment. For 3 months, only eat clean, workout several times per week, try to get good quality sleep, avoid stimulation, porn, social media etc, work hard and be nice to people at work, live frugally. Grind it through until you start liking it. Then take a flight to South America, Philippines or some other better dating market. Immerse in the culture, try some red pill dating avoiding smokers, tattoos etc but also being reasonable with your age limits and go for the 30+ women.

You will be amazed by how good life can be if you just decide to live the good life.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
yes, it seems to me that freedom and nothing to lose converge here, and not a bad thing, Bobby McGee

mostly, inertia takes over after our 30s, and change is that much harder for both good and bad reasons

For that reason one can see that getting stuck and in a rut, not being even able to think differently, will bring one down. but as Ape states, it doesn't' have to be that way. There is a sort of paradox here, in that wealthier people feel they have more to lose by leaving since they have a solid basis here in the west. But then the question becomes, what's the point of greater and greater wealth that you don't even need? For me it might be to help people eventually, but as far as family/legacy/younger woman it doesn't help here.
 

RichardCranium

Sparrow
Agnostic
You have nothing to lose. Do an experiment. For 3 months, only eat clean, workout several times per week, try to get good quality sleep, avoid stimulation, porn, social media etc, work hard and be nice to people at work, live frugally. Grind it through until you start liking it. Then take a flight to South America, Philippines or some other better dating market. Immerse in the culture, try some red pill dating avoiding smokers, tattoos etc but also being reasonable with your age limits and go for the 30+ women.

You will be amazed by how good life can be if you just decide to live the good life.
I appreciate the advice but a trip outside my zip code much less the other side of the planet is just simply out of the question. I can barely afford to feed myself much less an extended stay on a different country.
 

AwakenedApe

Sparrow
Agnostic
I appreciate the advice but a trip outside my zip code much less the other side of the planet is just simply out of the question. I can barely afford to feed myself much less an extended stay on a different country.
It sounds like you are stuck in a victim mindset. Whatever we propose you will find a reason for why it cannot work for you. If you want to make a change you will have to break out of the victim mindset and take responsibility.




If finances is your problem, that’s what you need to attack. Same advice applies, just focus on the career a bit longer until you have fixed your financial problems.
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
I appreciate the advice but a trip outside my zip code much less the other side of the planet is just simply out of the question. I can barely afford to feed myself much less an extended stay on a different country.
If you can work, you can easily save money up but it means simplifying things. Do you buy food from restaurants? Have cable TV? Go to bars and sports games? Smoke and drink alcohol? Cut out these expenses. They are a waste of money. Do you live alone? Get a roommate and cut down housing expenses? Cook simple meals at home. Get a second part-time job if needed.

Three months is too short if you are short of cash. Make a one year plan. First, research a few countries and make a list of what you are looking for in a new place. Next, once you settle on a couple places, spend some free time learning the language, culture, etc... Find e-pals in those countries to chat with and learn about their country. Making friends will also allow you to have local contacts there. Having local friends makes living somewhere more interesting as well. Read some books and watch movies from that country. This also gives you conversation topics when you get there and people feel more comfortable with a foreigner if they know he made efforts to learn the culture.

Mid-50's and not wealthy, you should consider women within 15 years age range. Luckily in some countries, it is possible to find women that look decent at age 40. If she cooks healthy food and likes hiking or cycling and doesn't smoke or drink heavily, she is likely to age well. Of course, you may have to settle for a divorced woman or a widow and possibly a single mother.

I agree with the tip given to you that you must improve yourself though before going. Traveling abroad can be stressful and being physically and mentally fit makes things much easier.
 

Mike_Key

Woodpecker
Recently, in listening to a talk, a university lecture, given by Dan Pena (money guy), he said he was asked by a mentee if he (the mentee) should marry a woman with a billion net worth. It could have been a real story or anecdotal (real because after all he, Dan, has money and lives in a castle) - he told the mentee the following:

"marry her and you can learn to love her. At a minimum you can learn to like her."

This is an interesting comment. If you turn the table, so to speak, you can say:

"in today's world some women destroy themselves in their prior young-adult life - that you don't know who you married/are marrying until a couple of months, years or even a full decade down the path. It is such that a guy today can learn to dislike/hate his wife/girlfriend."

We've all seen those relationship horror stories that come out of Reddit/Twitter concerning women/girlfriends/wives where the guy is repulsed (sickened, nauseated, shocked) by said woman's past/secret behavior (after it finally is revealed). Some guys walk away, it's too much for them to handle. I know it couldn't possibly be easy to deal with some of these revelations, but we shouldn't despair. If we do our heart is at risk of rotting with hatred and our bodies of suffering physical illness. While on earth try for some faith, hope and love - I know it's not easy.

I'm in the same boat as many men out there; although now married. Some say women only became corrupted in 1998 or 2005. That's completely wrong. I have counter-examples going back a century, literally, within my own family. Plus, there have always been heathen enclaves, if not outright territories.

Try to make it work, especially if you are already married, steady in a relationship or engaged to marry. It could be a slog especially if she lacks domestic skills, but you marry for kids and for your "old age" so that you don't die in an old person's warehouse. Work on the relationship with open brutal communication if necessary.

In thinking about Sandman Mgtow, it'll be interesting to see if Sandman stays single all time.

John 3:16
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
"marry her and you can learn to love her. At a minimum you can learn to like her."

I had an female Indian manager at a job once who told me and some other of my co-workers that she was engaged to her husband after meeting him for 45 minutes. I remember her exact words: "For us, the marriage comes first and the love comes later".

I also had an Albanian friend who married a girl from his home country. He met her randomly in the capital city while he was in Albania visiting relatives. After returning to the US, they stayed in touch online and he asked her if she wanted to get married on there. I remember his words regarding his marriage as well. He said when making the decision he treated it like he was making a buying a house or making any sort of big purchase. He had a list and thought of all the good points about her (She's from a good family, she is educated, she is attractive enough) in the same way people make decisions about buying a car or whatever. He had also said that in the beginning of their marriage they he did not love her but that after a few years, he did start loving her. They have two sons now.

I've been thinking for a while now if when it comes to marrying a woman if it is best to disregard attraction and chemistry. For modern people it seems inconceivable to marry someone unless you are already in love and have romantic affections for her but if you look at most of human history, most marriages were not based on romance. Rather it was for the purpose of forming a family unit. The way our period views marriage is what is aberrant and abnormal compared to the entirety of human history.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
To be perfectly honest, I might only marry as part of some kind of business arrangement and for the purposes of reproduction.
This actually is an interesting point. When reading the Screwtape letters by C.S. Lewis at some point the demons discuss the purpuse of true marriage. They make a very important point: marriage is a responsibility. It's not about short term love and emotions, but about the responsibility to form and take care for a family and to procreate the human race. It's not a ''choice'' in that regard. Sure, love is very important, but it's a more tranquil, arrangement like love focused on the long term instead the short term emotional laden love we are fed with in the reversed truth world we live in. Really put things into perspective for me. That being said, whether I'll marry I've no idea, I have a feeling that personally it is not part of God's plan for me, but we'll see.
 

testosterone

Robin
Non-Christian
Western women yes, feminine Eastern women, no.

I stay away from Western women for over 10 years now. Most are too damaged where they act muscular like men and support Feminism and PC culture. I stopped sleeping with them over 10 years ago cause toxic people end up making you toxic in the end. I'm only with feminine Eastern these days. Life is 1000x better since this changed and spending most of the year in an Eastern country.

I don't watch any TV or movies after 2000 cause I can't relate to any of the characters anymore. Any new titles are in a different language with subtitles. South Korean movies are good, can relate to normal characters.

If someone gave me a $1,000,000 to go on a date with a Western woman, I wouldn't take the money. The poison has taken me years to get over. Good feminine Eastern women has helped my soul recover. I do now believe men and women are design to be together. The problem is Western women don't act like women anymore hence why it's beyond hell being in a relationship with one day.

Stuck in Melbourne, Australia now (clown world). I'm hoping within the next year, I can leave.

Unvaccinated can leave Australia if a family member is ill so I'm going to make it up and get a family member overseas to help me next year.
 
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testosterone

Robin
Non-Christian
Any suggestions where to find the latter?
I took Roosh advise. He wrote an article on it years ago. Stay away from cities with populations with over 1 million people in an Eastern country.

Globalisation has really damaged Eastern countries as well as the internet.

I'm guessing our children will be going to the Middle East to find traditional women in the future. We all know Eastern countries are changing and becoming more Western.
 

Maddox

Woodpecker
Protestant
Western women yes, feminine Eastern women, no.

I stay away from Western women for over 10 years now. Most are too damaged where they act muscular like men and support Feminism and PC culture. I stopped sleeping with them over 10 years ago cause toxic people end up making you toxic in the end. I'm only with feminine Eastern these days. Life is 1000x better since this changed and spending most of the year in an Eastern country.

I don't watch any TV or movies after 2000 cause I can't relate to any of the characters anymore. Any new titles are in a different language with subtitles. South Korean movies are good, can relate to normal characters.

If someone gave me a $1,000,000 to go on a date with a Western woman, I wouldn't take the money. The poison has taken me years to get over. Good feminine Eastern women has helped my soul recover. I do now believe men and women are design to be together. The problem is Western women don't act like women anymore hence why it's beyond hell being in a relationship with one day.

Stuck in Melbourne, Australia now (clown world). I'm hoping within the next year, I can leave.

Unvaccinated can leave Australia if a family member is ill so I'm going to make it up and get a family member overseas to help me next year.

Why did you end up moving out of the East (was this Eastern Europe?) and going to Australia?
 

No-Designation Man

Kingfisher
Other Christian
This actually is an interesting point. When reading the Screwtape letters by C.S. Lewis at some point the demons discuss the purpuse of true marriage. They make a very important point: marriage is a responsibility. It's not about short term love and emotions, but about the responsibility to form and take care for a family and to procreate the human race. It's not a ''choice'' in that regard. Sure, love is very important, but it's a more tranquil, arrangement like love focused on the long term instead the short term emotional laden love we are fed with in the reversed truth world we live in. Really put things into perspective for me. That being said, whether I'll marry I've no idea, I have a feeling that personally it is not part of God's plan for me, but we'll see.
I wonder if this has some bearing on why all the biblical Patriachal marriages throughout the Old (and New) Covenant were pre-arranged unions.
 

Revolting Truth

 
Banned
Orthodox
There are still plenty of good women (meaning women marrying and starting a family with) - but most of them outside Europe. Once you understand that and willing to put in the effort, things will get easier. It worked for me. (Mind you, it was pre-Covid era)
The Covid-19 restrictions make traveling difficult but it can still be done.
 
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