Have any of you given up on women?

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
In my opinion, go where your currency is highest; although this can seen as the same advice from the PUA days of the forum, it's also resonant if you're seeking traditional and compatible girls. At the end of the day attraction, though superficial in itself, is an important factor in a partnership and if you are somewhere where your stock is appreciated, it's a good starting point (though admittedly not enough to sustain a relationship).

As for me, as a non-white male I've accepted that I will either go back to my roots or somewhere traditional in EurAsia. The West is a total write-off for me, there's no reason to accept second/third-rate quality women.
Yes, the biological reality is that youth/fertility/attraction coincide and thus are male objectives. For women, they want it all, but the appearance and the physical are secondary considerations. I know, I know, "beauty doesn't last" but that's the trade ... isn't it? Sometimes the religious people on this forum (I'm one of them so I can speak on it) go too far in acting like we aren't physical beings. Especially us males, who are highly visual - and yes, it matters. Your reiteration of the basic and fundamental concepts is important, @AHaytch ... thank you
 

ball dont lie

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Yes, the biological reality is that youth/fertility/attraction coincide and thus are male objectives. For women, they want it all, but the appearance and the physical are secondary considerations. I know, I know, "beauty doesn't last" but that's the trade ... isn't it? Sometimes the religious people on this forum (I'm one of them so I can speak on it) go too far in acting like we aren't physical beings. Especially us males, who are highly visual - and yes, it matters. Your reiteration of the basic and fundamental concepts is important, @AHaytch ... thank you

After many years in China I am in the USA and even finding thin women is really a challenge. I do some co-ed sports and even these "sporty" women are not what I would call thin, many with bulging stomachs, big floppy arms and legs.

For every 10 overweight women, there is 1 thin woman and those are not the odds I want to play any contest with.

This is all before the basics: pleasant personality, things in common, feminine, traditional - and has to be interested in me.

Its not bad here - its end of the human race apocalyptic. 95% of the guys I see with women, they have a terrible, terrible, deal. Every woman is dating way up.

Game over man.
 

wiseman

Sparrow
Other Christian
Wiseman, thank you for your content. I enjoy reading about your experiences.
fantastic. lets cover a bit more. im talking to men who are up against very similar difficulties that i face. the world culture has become very hostile to all males. some humans are aware of this and some are not. i was born in 1958. men still had some power. that all ended in the 80's.

im not at rooshes level of understanding, but i recognize the horrors now of being male in a female-dominated world.

lets simply agree that the entire developed world is not a good place now for men of any age. therefore, forget living there. build your estate and split. how else can i put it? just accept it. you have to.

this premise is based upon my feeling that men need decent wives who treat them great. not in the developed world. its gone. accept it.

a wife in the developed world has more income than her husband. she wields more power. therefore, she does as she pleases. the person with the money has the power. is this some new revelation or something?

do women in the developed world need sex? you know the answer is no. women " need" it 2 times a mo. trust me. men...daily. something.

women who need money have sex. always been that way. really.

3rd world women will give sex , only because they need money for survival. all women are similar. open your eyes.

men need sex. all but roosh. hah. no offense, bro. men need love. both those only exist in the 3rd world. love is in short supply everywhere now.

men need respect. this only exists in the 3rd world.

the 3rd world is being corrupted as we speak. better hurry, bros. bromance bros. just kidding.

pick any 3rd world place. build your estate. move there and thrive. marry. try to make it work. love is all we have.

its not easy here in nicaragua. i had one novia. she went to another. bye.

i married another great woman the other week. trying to overcome cultural differences. not easy.

im 63. not far to go. had a good life.

go where the good women are.

cheers!
 

wiseman

Sparrow
Other Christian
I'm late 20s. I would potentially move to Nicaragua if I wanted to find a wife in my 40s. I think it is one of those places where a large age gap is easier to achieve. I would likely go to a smaller town like Leon, Granada or Matagalpa. I don't think 3k/month is necessary. Even in Colombia, I spend only half as much and I am living very comfortably.

I agree, marrying a woman that makes more than you is usually a very bad idea.
cool. 3,000 would be needed in a marriage, im saying. alone is much less. in a marriage, you are supporting all her blood line. trust me.

im summarizing for brevity: i can only speak for nicaragua. it is a paradise of amasing women. but youll need nerves of steel. they are fabulous, but tough.

any man with 500,000 in estate and up can marry any woman 18 and up. im talking about the long term. decades. you can be 80 and marry 18. most wives ive seen here are llike , 33. the husband is 29. or 30 and 30. like the usa. ive seen a few 53 yr olds with 22 yr old wives here. a 63 yr old with a 40 yr old wife would be great. im 63 with a 22 yr old great wife, but its quite difficult. not recommended. but possible. money bridges the gaps.

you cant just come here. gotta have lots of money.

the only real way to stay here is to marry. just do it. save your money. make it happen. even 200,000 might last a few yrs. with caution.

this is another planet here.

the women make it worth it.
 

wiseman

Sparrow
Other Christian
Yes wiseman. The Orthodox Saints tell us that it is best to remain unmarried. This is the ideal, but for most, not realistic, so since humans are weak God allows to marry. According to the Saints, first purpose of marriage is to get rid of all sexual passions and immorality. Second purpose of marriage is to have children. I would say you are doing well on those fronts now?
men are driven by testosterone. God put it in them. you call it weak. i call it Gods will.
 

wiseman

Sparrow
Other Christian
This is the good thing about overseas, if in decent shape you can get 25-30 year old women easy even at age 50, in America you can barely get 30 year olds without an added headache and designs on excess, nonsense, money spending.
yes, you can be 50 in nicaragua and marry a great 30 yr old. takes months to find her. you must support her. thats 200,000 for starters. youll need to buy a car and house. support all her blood line.

mske it happen. youll laugh. youll cry... thats life...
 

wiseman

Sparrow
Other Christian
I recently found myself overcome with loneliness and lust, and then installed tinder.

It was disheartening to see how women present themselves online. It felt like I was watching softcore pornography. The bios were largely self-entitled, rude, and narcissitic.

Basically, butt photos, tattoos, and bad attitudes.

Luckily I came to my senses, but I have some things to confess soon.
sorry, bro.....build your estate....hurry....get to the 3rd world. youll be married and no more lust. just do it....now...
 

vstk

Robin
Catholic
n a marriage, you are supporting all her blood line. trust me.
As a 30 yo who is reasonably in shape, I can find a quality wife in her 20s without supporting anyone else than her (basic living expenses), trust me.

I am very sceptical that being that generous with money will attract someone of good character. It's really important to me to be with someone who is happy with little. It irritates me to no end to be treated as a portable atm.
 

wiseman

Sparrow
Other Christian
I've moved back to the small town I grew up in.

I don't date, yes I do swipe on bumble from time to time, but I have no interest, and have become like the women that used to annoy me. It's just an outlet that I put next to 0 effort into.

I basically work, spend time with my family, and play slow pitch. I'm open to a local relationship, but feel it will always feel like a 'bad deal' compared to a LATAM woman.
sounds pretty dismal, my friend. you are young and you are not enjoying your life. build your estate. no money, nothing is gonna hapoen.

gotta get happy.

build your power and estate. get to the 3rd world, where the rew remainding women are. hurry!

get a can do attitude. believe
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
sounds pretty dismal, my friend. you are young and you are not enjoying your life. build your estate. no money, nothing is gonna hapoen.
another reason why western women (and their parents) are so bad at this point? they don't even realize how the younger men their age, on average, have very little opportunity and promise for the future. Perhaps because they are ignorant, can't analyze, have generational money (they think) ... whatever. Foreigners realize that the age gap, for that very reason (isn't the point of women to wait at the finish line for winners?) is normal, critical, and healthy for their daughters and family.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
lets simply agree that the entire developed world is not a good place now for men of any age. therefore, forget living there. build your estate and split. how else can i put it? just accept it. you have to.

this premise is based upon my feeling that men need decent wives who treat them great. not in the developed world. its gone. accept it.

a wife in the developed world has more income than her husband. she wields more power. therefore, she does as she pleases. the person with the money has the power. is this some new revelation or something?

do women in the developed world need sex? you know the answer is no. women " need" it 2 times a mo. trust me. men...daily. something.

women who need money have sex. always been that way. really.

3rd world women will give sex , only because they need money for survival. all women are similar. open your eyes.

men need sex. all but roosh. hah. no offense, bro. men need love. both those only exist in the 3rd world. love is in short supply everywhere now.

men need respect. this only exists in the 3rd world.
haha, dropping truth bombs left and right. running the gauntlet of developed world denial, kinda like this guy:

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SeaEagle

Robin
Catholic
After many years in China I am in the USA and even finding thin women is really a challenge. I do some co-ed sports and even these "sporty" women are not what I would call thin, many with bulging stomachs, big floppy arms and legs.

For every 10 overweight women, there is 1 thin woman and those are not the odds I want to play any contest with.

This is all before the basics: pleasant personality, things in common, feminine, traditional - and has to be interested in me.

Its not bad here - its end of the human race apocalyptic. 95% of the guys I see with women, they have a terrible, terrible, deal. Every woman is dating way up.

Game over man.
Women who could've stopped at thin go for the lego man physique via powerlifting as well.

They make the mistake of becoming (a knock-off version of) what they yearn for.
 

TheosisSeeker

Sparrow
Orthodox Catechumen
As a 30 yo who is reasonably in shape, I can find a quality wife in her 20s without supporting anyone else than her (basic living expenses), trust me.

I am very sceptical that being that generous with money will attract someone of good character. It's really important to me to be with someone who is happy with little. It irritates me to no end to be treated as a portable atm.

Where are you?
 

TheosisSeeker

Sparrow
Orthodox Catechumen
So many misinterpretations in this thread and the other one I posted.

There is a difference between not being able to attract any females and being able to find and attract the right and Godly female for you.

I can go out and get with women on a sexual basis and I suspect that's what many guys here are doing surreptitiously and not admitting it. I made a commitment not to.

Or they are putting on a front, or possibly they have unattractive wives. The ego of some, even Christian men, is insane.

Here's an example, I spoke to a guy and he stated: "Oh I don't have any problems in the dating area and never have."

His wife was 300 pounds!!!

Another guy found a great match on Christian Mingle...she was 250 pounds at least!!

Now come on.

So please the bragging and ego must stop.

I do see good couples in church and most are foreign. If I lived in Romania, South America, sure.

But yes, look at the numbers. Percent that are not obese in the USA, practicing real Christian (not in name only), good compatibility, and all you are looking at a tiny percentage. They are there sure, but it's finding a diamond in the rough in the US.
 

vstk

Robin
Catholic
Where are you?
Colombia. I didn't mean to brag. Just saying that a 30 year old is not expected to bring that kind of resources to the table.
Here if you make more than 2k, are reasonably good looking and are actually willing to be exclusive, that puts you far ahead of the crowd.

I would assume it is a different story for a 50 year old. I expect a real challenge if I don't get married before I reach 35.
 

wiseman

Sparrow
Other Christian
another reason why western women (and their parents) are so bad at this point? they don't even realize how the younger men their age, on average, have very little opportunity and promise for the future. Perhaps because they are ignorant, can't analyze, have generational money (they think) ... whatever. Foreigners realize that the age gap, for that very reason (isn't the point of women to wait at the finish line for winners?) is normal, critical, and healthy for their daughters and family.
nice comment.
 

wiseman

Sparrow
Other Christian
Colombia. I didn't mean to brag. Just saying that a 30 year old is not expected to bring that kind of resources to the table.
Here if you make more than 2k, are reasonably good looking and are actually willing to be exclusive, that puts you far ahead of the crowd.

I would assume it is a different story for a 50 year old. I expect a real challenge if I don't get married before I reach 35.
great points
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Colombia. I didn't mean to brag. Just saying that a 30 year old is not expected to bring that kind of resources to the table.
Here if you make more than 2k, are reasonably good looking and are actually willing to be exclusive, that puts you far ahead of the crowd.

I would assume it is a different story for a 50 year old. I expect a real challenge if I don't get married before I reach 35.
I don't understand what your angle is. I don't doubt at all that you can find a good girl in Colombia; the challenges might be different, but she is likely in shape and at least somewhat feminine. We're talking about the west/developed world, my man. We aren't in Colombia (yet). lol
 
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