Have any of you given up on women?

[TheosisSeeker]

Anyway, I originally came to the thread to post this fine observation by this man here:



Warning language.

I feel he is correct, but is clearly missing the religious aspect and still seems in the hedonist stage. This is not black pill, this is the current reality for many.

 

[Blade Runner]

Anyway, I originally came to the thread to post this fine observation by this man here:



Warning language.

I feel he is correct, but is clearly missing the religious aspect and still seems in the hedonist stage. This is not black pill, this is the current reality for many.

Even though this is a Christian forum, we talk about secular things. What he is saying is the general reality (no not all examples) that a man, on average, experiences in the USA. And he's not a weird or bad looking guy either, (he's clearly above average or close to that level) you can tell he's just trying to be real and honest with everyone else. It was funny when he said a weekend to Austin, TX would cost him the equivalent of 2 months in Brazil or Colombia. The analyst at the end of the vid is honest as well. The question keeps resurfacing, "Why would enter into serious relationships where I literally get nothing in return?" And it's not that you get nothing, it is that you don't get anything beyond what she also gets (mutual benefit, sex-kids-family) and she gets [extra] things from you, which we've talked about ad nauseum on this thread.

 

[Blade Runner]

Seems insane to me since my only goals in life are to live life as a good Christian, have a family and a decent job. I'd probably hate being famous and/or being too much of a wageslave.

The in-betweener life is the best, you can play like you don't have anything and aren't noticed, but you aren't struggling and a slave to the system. There's no way I'd ever want to be famous or noticed, it's not worth it. At all.

When you do please let us know. Until then stop with the blackpill label.

The truth is the truth. People forget that there are many dudes out there in the world with way, way worse lives than any of us. It sucks to be in the late stage of decline, but at least you aren't losing on every level (poor, can't get a woman, bad attitude). It can always be worse. Much worse.

An Orthodox priest, Father Peter Heers I believe stated that we must deepen our faith and turn our request to God and he will send a life partner.

I love Fr. Peter and I can't fault him for saying this in a sense, because it is true that we should first seek the kingdom. But he also says that it is conditional statement, this desire for a wife, because in that same thought process he includes "if it is for your salvation." I have no problem with this either, but it just means that he's right either way, of course, which doesn't help much.

If testosterone were not such a big motivator and part of the existence we have in life, especially the drive for (rightly motivated) sex, I'd venture to say that most people here wouldn't really be posting here, or that much. Big picture, all survival goes to zero on a long enough timeline - as they say - so it is a proof that it doesn't really matter that much at this point, to have a family. A nice thing, very fulfilling and reward, absolutely. We're caught in a behavior sink, and the only thing to do about is go where you are treated best, if you can. That means to leave the West for most people.

 

[yuzhnytech]

I don't get the controversy behind saying appearance matters.

Looks have mattered since the beginning of time. In elementary school, middle school, high school - beautiful people always had an advantage. Do people only realize this now?

Why are men acting shocked and surprised? There seems to be a total lack of social calibration.

 

[TheosisSeeker]

Even though this is a Christian forum, we talk about secular things. What he is saying is the general reality (no not all examples) that a man, on average, experiences in the USA. And he's not a weird or bad looking guy either, (he's clearly above average or close to that level) you can tell he's just trying to be real and honest with everyone else. It was funny when he said a weekend to Austin, TX would cost him the equivalent of 2 months in Brazil or Colombia. The analyst at the end of the vid is honest as well. The question keeps resurfacing, "Why would enter into serious relationships where I literally get nothing in return?" And it's not that you get nothing, it is that you don't get anything beyond what she also gets (mutual benefit, sex-kids-family) and she gets [extra] things from you, which we've talked about ad nauseum on this thread.

The most real thing that brother said was:

'They treat you like you're somebody, a real human to be honest.'

Exactly right.

That doesn't just go for male to female interactions, but most interactions in US society outside of: family/friends/community/colleagues or some type of business client relationship where the people are forced to be polite cause they want your money or business.

Outside of those, the brainwashing has convinced many people men are expendable.

 

[Blade Runner]

I don't get the controversy behind saying appearance matters.

Looks have mattered since the beginning of time. In elementary school, middle school, high school - beautiful people always had an advantage. Do people only realize this now?

Why are men acting shocked and surprised? There seems to be a total lack of social calibration.

No one is arguing this. What is your understanding of what I am saying, or others are, that you are confused by? Perhaps I can address that presupposition.

 

[Feyoder]

I have not given up on women. I am optimistic with changed expectations. But I have seen many men just destroyed in a marriage and it's made me way more cautious.

Most men I think get a very raw deal with the average modern women. Every woman I've dated in the past (with a single exception) I wouldn't give the time of day to if they were a man. I mean in terms of their attitude and general worth as a person to me (interests, knowledge, creativity). I have been willing to suffer people who are, in absolute terms, boring, kind of stupid and self-centered--just because I'm physically attracted to them. Kind of sick. How many modern relationships does this describe though? And then after dating for a while, the female half wears the male half down, and they get married.

Getting older, I understand more the route arab countries have taken to this issue.

 

[God's lonely asperger]

I don't get the controversy behind saying appearance matters.

Looks have mattered since the beginning of time. In elementary school, middle school, high school - beautiful people always had an advantage. Do people only realize this now?

Why are men acting shocked and surprised? There seems to be a total lack of social calibration.

I assume it's because of dating apps making beauty standards for men absolutely unreal. Link below is a female website so sorry if there's too much things like zodiacs and that stuff.

Women Find 80% Of Men Unattractive, Says Crazy Study

How is this even possible???

www.yourtango.com

 

[yuzhnytech]

Competition has increased because it is now global -- for women, jobs, business, everything.

Before you competed with your village. Then your city. Then your country. Then the world.

There are 4 billion men on this planet. You MUST deliver some sort of genetic or socioeconomic value that isn't just a 9-5 salary.

May the best men win.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Competition has increased because it is now global -- for women, jobs, business, everything.

Before you competed with your village. Then your city. Then your country. Then the world.

May the best men win.

The best men are not winning. The men willing to sell out their country/family for the satanic elite are artificially promoted to the top and the good men are pushed to the bottom.

Add in, even if the stack was not artificial, if only the top 20% of men get all the women, as would happen in a matriarchy, then you have a civilization collapse. The top 20% of men depend on the other 80% of men to uphold civilization. When that bond is broken, and the bottom 80% of men are not allowed to have children, they will not uphold civilization and they will go primitive and come after you and yours, simply because they have no other choice.

This agreement is what allowed humans to have civilizations and advance above other animals. And now it is being broken and we are watching civilization crumble in real time.

 

[yuzhnytech]

The best men are not winning. The men willing to sell out their country/family for the satanic elite are artificially promoted to the top and the good men are pushed to the bottom.

Add in, even if the stack was not artificial, if only the top 20% of men get all the women, as would happen in a matriarchy, then you have a civilization collapse. The top 20% of men depend on the other 80% of men to uphold civilization. When that bond is broken, and the bottom 80% of men are not allowed to have children, they will not uphold civilization and they will go primitive and come after you and yours, simply because they have no other choice.

This agreement is what allowed humans to have civilizations and advance above other animals. And now it is being broken and we are watching civilization crumble in real time.

The most fit men are winning. 22 year old college grads making $200k in finance/tech/etc. regardless of country. The rest need to check their ego, accept they are bottom 50% globally, and realize they have inflated their expectations.

You overestimate the value of men. 90% of jobs are simply not needed or can be automated away. Technology has greatly transformed civilization and this is only accelerating.

Why do men hate on women for the lack of relationship success? It is OTHER superior men who have out-competed you.

 

[It_is_my_time]

The most fit men are winning. 22 year old college grads making $200k in finance/tech/etc. regardless of country. The rest need to check their ego, accept they are bottom 50% globally, and realize they have inflated their expectations.

You overestimate the value of men. 90% of jobs are simply not needed or can be automated away. Technology has greatly transformed civilization and this is only accelerating.

Why do men hate on women for the lack of relationship success? It is OTHER superior men who have out-competed you.

A lot of the "22 year old college grads making $200k" get there by nepotism or quotas. Which is why the financial system is collapsing, because instead of having smart/competent people, you have frauds and now the national debt is about to pop. After this shakes out, then we might see a fair competition for who the true top men are.

You are correct, many jobs are no longer needed due to technology. Which is a huge discussion to have, that goes into many different sub-topics. But the people at the top of our inverted system are far from being the "best of the best". Which is the exact reason our system is collapsing despite having a giant head start v. everyone else.

I don't think anyone here hates on women for being women. They just do what is in their instincts. The hate is towards and inverted system that rewards the worst society has to offer and punishes those who try to do things the right way. The thread is about how to decide how to find a woman, if you should try to find a woman, in such a system.

Heh, just saw this...

 

[yuzhnytech]

A lot of the "22 year old college grads making $200k" get there by nepotism or quotas. Which is why the financial system is collapsing, because instead of having smart/competent people, you have frauds and now the national debt is about to pop. After this shakes out, then we might see a fair competition for who the true top men are.

You are correct, many jobs are no longer needed due to technology. Which is a huge discussion to have, that goes into many different sub-topics. But the people at the top of our inverted system are far from being the "best of the best". Which is the exact reason our system is collapsing despite having a giant head start v. everyone else.

I don't think anyone here hates on women for being women. They just do what is in their instincts. The hate is towards and inverted system that rewards the worst society has to offer and punishes those who try to do things the right way. The thread is about how to decide how to find a woman, if you should try to find a woman, in such a system.

I think your view on the system was correct in the 80s, but not correct in 2022.

Elite institutions like Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan, Alphabet definitely hire the best talent and are more meritocratic than before. In fact, they fight viciously over the top talent, constantly poaching winners and offering huge pay packages.

Shareholders don't hire their friends unless those friends are actually competent. Otherwise their business will be destroyed.

Nepotism exists, but not as bad as before. This is because competition gets stronger every year, and non-performers are out.

Any well rounded White American male with good grades could've gone to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, in 1950. But thats because there was no global competition. These days, the same American kids are competing against billions of Chinese, Indians, Europeans, South Americans, etc. who may be even smarter.

 

[TheosisSeeker]

The most fit men are winning. 22 year old college grads making $200k in finance/tech/etc. regardless of country. The rest need to check their ego, accept they are bottom 50% globally, and realize they have inflated their expectations.

You overestimate the value of men. 90% of jobs are simply not needed or can be automated away. Technology has greatly transformed civilization and this is only accelerating.

Why do men hate on women for the lack of relationship success? It is OTHER superior men who have out-competed you.

Making over 200k at 22 puts you in the 99th percentile in the US.

Are you doing this? If so please post a screenshot of your check stub. Blot out any identifying info. We'll wait.

To me you seem like a foreign 20s male spouting out 'Chad' talking points you read online with authority and no life experience.

The only valid points you've made is that looks and money matter, everyone knows that.

 

[It_is_my_time]

I think your view on the system was correct in the 80s, but not correct in 2022.

Elite institutions like Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan, Alphabet definitely hire the best talent and are more meritocratic than before. In fact, they fight viciously over the top talent, constantly poaching winners and offering huge pay packages.

Shareholders don't hire their friends unless those friends are actually competent. Otherwise their business will be destroyed.

Nepotism exists, but not as bad as before. This is because competition gets stronger every year, and non-performers are out.

Any well rounded White American male with good grades could've gone to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, in 1950. But thats because there was no global competition. These days, the same American kids are competing against billions of Chinese, Indians, Europeans, South Americans, etc. who may be even smarter.

Yea, try selling to this board that Wall Street is full of genius that isn't crashing the financial system, LOL.

They had their chance to do the right thing, over and over, and instead choose to destroy everything good in the west. Trying to sell they "only want the best talent" has long past sailed.

But let's say we are only hiring the best of the best from around the world, the top IQ's. How does that help anyone else? It just drives down quality of life in the USA for the people who built this country. It drains intelligence from other developing countries. It pushes massive competition/stress on to those who can get the jobs. And the only people who come out on top are the satanic global elites. It drives everyone else lower in life and the satanic elites gain even more money and power.

 

[yuzhnytech]

Yea, try selling to this board that Wall Street is full of genius that isn't crashing the financial system, LOL.

They had their chance to do the right thing, over and over, and instead choose to destroy everything good in the west. Trying to sell they "only want the best talent" has long past sailed.

But let's say we are only hiring the best of the best from around the world, the top IQ's. How does that help anyone else? It just drives down quality of life in the USA for the people who built this country. It drains intelligence from other developing countries. It pushes massive competition/stress on to those who can get the jobs. And the only people who come out on top are the satanic global elites. It drives everyone else lower in life and the satanic elites gain even more money and power.

You are 100% correct. It is not good for working class Americans. There are Indian venture capitalists in Silicon valley making 50x the average US annual salary. But to say an American can do the same job, just because they are American, is factually incorrect.

Global elites have more in common with each other than they do their own ethnicity or race.

Crashing the financial system, for who? Its working as intended.

 

[It_is_my_time]

You are 100% correct. It is not good for working class Americans. There are Indian venture capitalists in Silicon valley making 50x the average US annual salary.

Global elites have more in common with each other than they do their own ethnicity or race.

Yes, this is correct.

So where does this lead? The top 10% or 5% of men are going to tell the other 90%+ of men "tough luck, you either get video games and porn or you die" and the majority then say "okay, we surrender without a fight".

Of course not, this has never happened in human history. There has also been and ebb and flow between the elites and the working class. Battles back and forth, and at the end they come up with a compromise or things get really bad. This might have worked decades ago when the "left over" men could move to another area and start over. But this option is now gone.

And if the working class men do revolt and do win, do they just say "well you foreigners who tried to destroy my life can go back home and we will call it good" or do they seek out more to make sure it never happens to their great grandchildren?

This is a very bad position the elites of the USA have put the foreign "winners" in. The foreign "winners", if they are as smart as they think they are, should be able to see they are walking into a trap. A trap so bad that if somehow all that violence and backlash is mitigated, then their own children will face the same over stressed/over worked life and likely themselves will be cut out by the next crop of foreigners coming in to take their place.

It ends up being just a rat race to the bottom.

 

[yuzhnytech]

Yes, this is correct.

So where does this lead? The top 10% or 5% of men are going to tell the other 90%+ of men "tough luck, you either get video games and porn or you die" and the majority then say "okay, we surrender without a fight".

Of course not, this has never happened in human history. There has also been and ebb and flow between the elites and the working class. Battles back and forth, and at the end they come up with a compromise or things get really bad. This might have worked decades ago when the "left over" men could move to another area and start over. But this option is now gone.

And if the working class men do revolt and do win, do they just say "well you foreigners who tried to destroy my life can go back home and we will call it good" or do they seek out more to make sure it never happens to their great grandchildren?

This is a very bad position the elites of the USA have put the foreign "winners" in. The foreign "winners", if they are as smart as they think they are, should be able to see they are walking into a trap. A trap so bad that if somehow all that violence and backlash is mitigated, then their own children will face the same over stressed/over worked life and likely themselves will be cut out by the next crop of foreigners coming in to take their place.

It ends up being just a rat race to the bottom.

Honestly, I don't know. Foreigners aren't the problem -- they are not in control. There are billions more who would be happy to take their place.

What I do know is technology has greatly changed global power dynamics. The top 1% gain more and more power each year, even if their numbers are the same.

Technology like mass surveillence, autonomous drones, artificial intellgience, equalize the numbers disparity.

I highly doubt we'd see something like the Russian revolution in our lifetimes. 100 million people vs a few autonomous drones, who wins?

 

[It_is_my_time]

Honestly, I don't know. Foreigners aren't the problem -- they are not in control. There are billions more who would be happy to take their place.

What I do know is technology has greatly changed global power dynamics. The top 1% gain more and more power each year, even if their numbers are the same.

Technology like mass surveillence, autonomous drones, artificial intellgience, equalize the numbers disparity.

I highly doubt we'd see something like the Russian revolution in our lifetimes. 100 million people vs a few autonomous drones, who wins?

The high IQ foreigners who are destroying our system by using their newfound power and influence to hurt the native citizens of the west may not be the top man to blame, but they are still a major problem. They wake up every day deciding if they want to give back and help the native people of the nations who welcomed them in or stab them in the back. That is a decision they choose to make every single day.

Of course, billions who would be happy to take their place. The natives are still asleep, so they can come here and rob them blind and get away freely. How many of these billions would still want to take their place if the thought that it could lead to either massive violence or their own family being displaced in a generation or two and stuck in a multi-cultural hell hole? Regression to the mean is a real thing with IQ, and even if hot shot foreigner has a top job in the USA, the likelihood of their grandkids having the same gifts is not as likely as one might believe. And yet they have thrown away their homeland, tradition and cultures for short term gains and now their grandkids are stuck in it, with no path back. Edward Dutton speaks very intelligently on this issue.

And then you run into yet another problem. While the west might welcome, support, and defend the new foreign "winners", Russia and Iran certainly will not. And if they see a chance to arm opposition to it, they will do so, as they are already doing. So, to think only the foreign "winners" will have technology on their side is extremely short sighted.

In the end, as always, there must be some sort of agreement between the alphas and the rest of the men, or you lose civilization. The western elites only chance to continue down this path is to ensure the entire world is under their control. And it appears that is slipping out of their hands in Ukraine and Syria.

 

[yuzhnytech]

The high IQ foreigners who are destroying our system by using their newfound power and influence to hurt the native citizens of the west may not be the top man to blame, but they are still a major problem. They wake up every day deciding if they want to give back and help the native people of the nations who welcomed them in or stab them in the back. That is a decision they choose to make every single day.

Of course, billions who would be happy to take their place. The natives are still asleep, so they can come here and rob them blind and get away freely. How many of these billions would still want to take their place if the thought that it could lead to either massive violence or their own family being displaced in a generation or two and stuck in a multi-cultural hell hole? Regression to the mean is a real thing with IQ, and even if hot shot foreigner has a top job in the USA, the likelihood of their grandkids having the same gifts is not as likely as one might believe. And yet they have thrown away their homeland, tradition and cultures for short term gains and now their grandkids are stuck in it, with no path back. Edward Dutton speaks very intelligently on this issue.

And then you run into yet another problem. While the west might welcome, support, and defend the new foreign "winners", Russia and Iran certainly will not. And if they see a chance to arm opposition to it, they will do so, as they are already doing. So, to think only the foreign "winners" will have technology on their side is extremely short sighted.

In the end, as always, there must be some sort of agreement between the alphas and the rest of the men, or you lose civilization. The western elites only chance to continue down this path is to ensure the entire world is under their control. And it appears that is slipping out of their hands in Ukraine and Syria.

I am Russian. Russia welcomes millions of foreign workers from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Georgia, Armenia, etc. and there is even a fast track citizenship process (just 1 year). There are 135 professions available for fast track citizenship now. Spend a few weeks in Moscow and you'll notice how many non-Slavic faces there are in universities or the metro. Russia has always been extremely multicultural comprising over 200+ ethnicities and languages.

Tell Indians, Africans, Venezuelans that the west is a bad unstable "hellhole" -- they'd laugh. The most basic things like quality are totally different planets.

I agree with what you're saying. But in the past, 100 million men vs 100 elites meant revolution. now 100 million men vs 100 elites + autonomous drones is a different question.