Have any of you given up on women?

[paternos]

The effects of the pill are often missed, so good you touched upon it. That's another factor leading to the total chaos in their system. Add to that antidepressants, and alcohol/drugs, and you truly have a tremendous cocktail of demise....

Yeah women are emotionally unstable, that's why if there's one party that wins with marriage, it's them, for they get stability and all the responsibility for worldly affairs is taken away from them. If they don't have that their world is just chaos at all times - now especially since they're always on with social media.

I see it a bit different, women react even worse to the times we live in. For men life has changed, but when we work, we are among men, when we are outdoors, we are in our natural habitat and we can feel relatively sane.

For women from 16 the natural habitat is being a mother and that's taken from them. I'm intrigued that all young girls play with baby dolls. They love them. The scholars then train them to take poison from age 15. That fries their brain and whole system. 65% do it. (we don't have that as men) Then the scholars tell them to sin a lot, which makes them feel bad. (the same goes for us) But for a women losing her virginity is a lot worse than for a man. Then the scholars tell them to do things, they don't like, like working with computers, or typing and working in factories or as lawyers or do a crazy lot of sports.

That's hard.

Women are abused from a very young age in our society by the scholars. And that's all in front of our eyes. And much of the damage done might be unrepairable. I'm a 99% sure that in 200 years the people will look at our time as a beastly time. People will be unable to grasp how parents could let their daughters be so damaged and hurt.

This whole rise of masculine women also has to do with the anticonception poison as it literally makes them more masculine.

Also in marriage many keep using all these drugs, they are seduced by social media and many of them are in complete addiction. I had a talk with my grandfather and his mother and grandmother were very strong women. Not in the sense we say today, but as mothers. They ran the house and had both more than 5 children from age 17 onwards.

 

[Max Roscoe]

I see it a bit different, women react even worse to the times we live in. For men life has changed, but when we work, we are among men, when we are outdoors, we are in our natural habitat and we can feel relatively sane.

There have been many articles, books, and even studies on the supposed "paradox" of why women are more unhappy despite the huge gains of feminism, the right to divorce, the pill, a career, etc.

Why Are Women So Unhappy? - Freakonomics

I saw Justin Wolfers a few weeks back, and I joked with him that it had been months since I’d seen his research in the headlines. It didn’t take him long to fix that — he and his partner in life and economics, Betsey Stevenson, made the news twice last week. The first time was in the form of an...

freakonomics.com

2. Women’s lives have become more like men’s over the last 35 years. Men have historically been less happy than women. So it might not be surprising if the things in the workplace that always made men unhappy are now bedeviling women as well.


3. There was enormous social pressure on women in the old days to pretend they were happy even if they weren’t. Now, society allows women to express their feelings openly when they are dissatisfied with life.

Point 2 is women becoming more masculine, which is immitating being a transsexual, which obviously will make them less happy.

Point 3 is related--instead of talking things through, we encourage Karens to complain, and even encourage speaking out against imagined grievances like Mansplaining and grossly exaggerating the definition of "sexual harassment." Instead of working out a problem in a marriage, you can just get a divorce.

It is indeed interesting to consider why men are happier than women (though both are less happy than in the past). Men certainly realize the world sucks, and we do suffer because of it. But how many men are just finding other outlets, even things like video games or pornography? Particularly in the wake of the Covid lockdowns, you have millions of young men who developed online addictions which may be unhealthy, but perhaps preferable to living in the sick "real world"? It's understandable why men escape in such ways.

In other words, men are simply not participating in this dysfunctional society, while women, being much more of a social animal, are deeply ingrained in it, and everything that it entails (including Black Lives Matter, supporting Tranny Rights, etc.). Women support the social order, and the social order that is being laid down on us is evil and dysfunctional, but women can't simply opt out, but just accept the mores and principles of their society, and reinforce them.

Also, while many men are not forming marriages and families, that is less of a drive for men while it is an essential biological drive for women. In the past, it was not uncommon for the father to play a very limited role in child-rearing, with many men having the attitude of take-it-or-leave-it regarding family, whereas it is an instinctual biological drive for women, and when they are not playing the role of mother they suffer, whereas men do not--we can work, drink, play video games, read a book, go fishing, etc and still be happy.

As for taking anti-depressants, 20-25% were the pre-pandemic levels, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were significantly higher today. Their usage was already rising at 400% increases in a decade before we even introduced the effects of the pandemic.

According to a report released yesterday by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), the rate of antidepressant use in this country among teens and adults (people ages 12 and older) increased by almost 400% between 1988–1994 and 2005–2008.

 

[paternos]

There have been many articles, books, and even studies on the supposed "paradox" of why women are more unhappy despite the huge gains of feminism, the right to divorce, the pill, a career, etc.

Why Are Women So Unhappy? - Freakonomics

I saw Justin Wolfers a few weeks back, and I joked with him that it had been months since I’d seen his research in the headlines. It didn’t take him long to fix that — he and his partner in life and economics, Betsey Stevenson, made the news twice last week. The first time was in the form of an...

freakonomics.com

Point 2 is women becoming more masculine, which is immitating being a transsexual, which obviously will make them less happy.

Point 3 is related--instead of talking things through, we encourage Karens to complain, and even encourage speaking out against imagined grievances like Mansplaining and grossly exaggerating the definition of "sexual harassment." Instead of working out a problem in a marriage, you can just get a divorce.

It is indeed interesting to consider why men are happier than women (though both are less happy than in the past). Men certainly realize the world sucks, and we do suffer because of it. But how many men are just finding other outlets, even things like video games or pornography? Particularly in the wake of the Covid lockdowns, you have millions of young men who developed online addictions which may be unhealthy, but perhaps preferable to living in the sick "real world"? It's understandable why men escape in such ways.

In other words, men are simply not participating in this dysfunctional society, while women, being much more of a social animal, are deeply ingrained in it, and everything that it entails (including Black Lives Matter, supporting Tranny Rights, etc.). Women support the social order, and the social order that is being laid down on us is evil and dysfunctional, but women can't simply opt out, but just accept the mores and principles of their society, and reinforce them.

Also, while many men are not forming marriages and families, that is less of a drive for men while it is an essential biological drive for women. In the past, it was not uncommon for the father to play a very limited role in child-rearing, with many men having the attitude of take-it-or-leave-it regarding family, whereas it is an instinctual biological drive for women, and when they are not playing the role of mother they suffer, whereas men do not--we can work, drink, play video games, read a book, go fishing, etc and still be happy.

As for taking anti-depressants, 20-25% were the pre-pandemic levels, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were significantly higher today. Their usage was already rising at 400% increases in a decade before we even introduced the effects of the pandemic.

You bring up some good points.

Indeed we as men are able to escape the social convention. A forum like this. But also in my personal life I have a few friends I can be very frank and open with on my ideas. These friends don't agree on all I say. Which is fine. It's interesting for man to differ. We learn something then.

For women this is impossible, they need to agree on everything.

And this is very true:

Women support the social order, and the social order that is being laid down on us is evil and dysfunctional, but women can't simply opt out, but just accept the mores and principles of their society, and reinforce them.

Hence I can understand the trap women are in. They are forced systemically to copy evil.

Hence I also feel how important it is for women to find a man well aligned in God. He will give her kids, happiness and fulfillment in life in the line of Mary. And hopefully find a set of other well aligned women that also fills her social needs.

Therefore I also think it is crucial for us men to develop our relation to God as women are dependent on us for their salvation. They need us. Not in the way many of them think today. But they do. To get to heaven.

 

[Sephorax]

Some notes:

I've noticed when I use dating apps I for the most part attract women from all cultures except my own. E.g. Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Thai), African and Latina. Some of these women are conventionally good looking and young. Not always. Often also more compatible with the male-female dynamic. Seems to be easier to communicate with.

When I do match with a woman from my own culture (European) they are 1. women in their early 30s looking to leave the sexual marketplace. Or 2. they are unattractive in character and/or physical appearance. Or both 1 and 2. It's funny how deluded these women are.

I feel very uninspired when a woman is not good looking or when she has a nasty attitude. A woman should inspire a man with her beauty. That's why men often went to war anyways in the past.

Women put all fault on men. But I think women are absolutely also part of the problem. When a beautiful woman is interested in me I work so much harder to be my best self. It sounds lame but it is true. Beauty can inspire you to go through hell and back. Women can inspire men to be so much better. Sadly a lot of women live like dogs and they look like it as well after a few years. And thus no man is inspired by their presence.

Then you ask yourself: "Why would I fight for ugliness?" That's why religion like Islam promises virgins. It inspires men to fight and to believe in a cause. I don't get inspired to protect, provide or do anything for most women since they are ugly in and out. The idea itself repulses me.

I think online dating is not for me. But even in real life I see some of it.

In real life (not on dating apps) I have more attraction and way better quality women. Plus they behave much better. On these apps they seem very disrespectful, nasty attitudes, degeneracy.

They will behave. But often underneath their ugliness still seeps out of their pores. In moments where they are not able to control themselves you will see it.

Even in real life I find even the majortiy of "attractive" European women not that attractive. It's like the West lost all it's beauty. Sometimes a conventual, casual looking Asian woman can look way better than "the best looking" European woman. Quite astounding.

 

[Blade Runner]

Even in real life I find even the majortiy of "attractive" European women not that attractive. It's like the West lost all it's beauty. Sometimes a conventual, casual looking Asian woman can look way better than "the best looking" European woman. Quite astounding.

It's more of an energy, pleasantness and feminine issue (submissiveness) than anything at this point. All the other "cultures" like you more because as a european, your SMV is higher, quite frankly. Euro women are also the best looking overall but also most damaged/spoiled/nasty due to the (fake) modern, affluent cultures. That alone can be off putting to any man, because he also knows deep down that the sexual attraction will diminish quite quickly for any woman. Of course, that makes matters worse since they make themselves 1 dimensional walking vags to the honest onlooker. But then one has the conundrum that @Cynllo and I always talk about, which is that you want to be with the other races behavior wise, but you don't see the future and progeny with them as being healthy, since it is an unequal yoke generally speaking, in characteristics/inheritance. Of course for the non european, they're elated about it, which means quite obviously that you aren't.

 

[Sephorax]

It's more of an energy, pleasantness and feminine issue (submissiveness) than anything at this point. All the other "cultures" like you more because as a european, your SMV is higher, quite frankly. Euro women are also the best looking overall but also most damaged/spoiled/nasty due to the (fake) modern, affluent cultures. That alone can be off putting to any man, because he also knows deep down that the sexual attraction will diminish quite quickly for any woman. Of course, that makes matters worse since they make themselves 1 dimensional walking vags to the honest onlooker. But then one has the conundrum that @Cynllo and I always talk about, which is that you want to be with the other races behavior wise, but you don't see the future and progeny with them as being healthy, since it is an unequal yoke generally speaking, in characteristics/inheritance. Of course for the non european, they're elated about it, which means quite obviously that you aren't.

Yes true about the SMV. I am exotic to those women. Although in real life I have different experience. A lot of European women like me and flirt. I am not invisible like some people experience. Maybe because online dating is pure looks vs. the whole package (appearance, hormones, character, etc.)

Euro women have the potential to be the best looking, maybe. I don't think so anymore. Are you from Europe? Since to me it is very obvious that women here have masculinized a lot. Similarly to USA. In both appearance and character.
It seemed to be different 10+ years go. A lot of European women have bad health. Probably from birth control, drinking, living more masculine lives, etc. Which for me is a turn off. They look worn out at 27-28.

That is the thing I notice with other races. Their health is often better and more robust if I put it next to a lot of European women. Especially African and Latina women seem to be most fertile and healthy in that regard. Even if they are objectively not as good looking.

I also don't see myself with other races. Maybe Asian since they can be beautiful if they have normal eyes and normal face. Definitely don't like Africans or Latina's as much. Although some of them are beautiful.

 

[Mr Freedom]

Even though this is a Christian forum, we talk about secular things. What he is saying is the general reality (no not all examples) that a man, on average, experiences in the USA. And he's not a weird or bad looking guy either, (he's clearly above average or close to that level) you can tell he's just trying to be real and honest with everyone else. It was funny when he said a weekend to Austin, TX would cost him the equivalent of 2 months in Brazil or Colombia. The analyst at the end of the vid is honest as well. The question keeps resurfacing, "Why would enter into serious relationships where I literally get nothing in return?" And it's not that you get nothing, it is that you don't get anything beyond what she also gets (mutual benefit, sex-kids-family) and she gets [extra] things from you, which we've talked about ad nauseum on this thread.

Living with a secular woman in the anglosphere right now is like living with a 2nd rate male

However despite the bleak outlook I remain positive that more & more men will accept the god pill over time

 

[prisonplanet]

Especially African and Latina women seem to be most fertile and healthy in that regard. Even if they are objectively not as good looking.

Races of women being more or less attractive than another is not objective. That is pretty much the definition of subjective.

 

[Holymanaspen]

They hire the most degenerae students in the campus, by recruiting them in the Greek-Letter-Brotherhoods and selecting them for degenerency/vain ambition.

This. Even when it comes to something in the entertainment industry. Just look at the 'art' that is in the mainstream today. Hardly the best and most talented/brilliant. More like a bunch of vain, degenerate morons.

yuzynytech is talking about the "best and most high IQ" people being at the top today- in my experience, it's the people who are genuinely driven and motivated by the things valued in these demonic societies. I guarantee you there are men who would've been truly great and revolutionary sitting on 4chan because nothing about today's society interests them.

 

[Maddox]

Any of you guys watch Rich Cooper's channel? Here's a good clip about him talking about media lies, the state of men today, etc

WARNING: LANGUAGE

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Any of you guys watch Rich Cooper's channel? Here's a good clip about him talking about media lies, the state of men today, etc

WARNING: LANGUAGE

Yeah I did a deep dive on him june last year. Really good stuff. Secular red pill, but without the fanfare, so if you like to have a more quiet convo kind of type instead of fast moving stills and intense music edited in, Rich definitely is your guy. I particularly like his work on possibly being with a single mother, and how much havoc that'll likely bring to your life, as you take in a bunch of problems, for details see his work. Also he's big on taking accountability, being disciplined, working towards goals, mentally strong etc, more the usual RP stuff but just laid out in a calm way. This was a good speech:

 

[Optimus Senior]

Any of you guys watch Rich Cooper's channel? Here's a good clip about him talking about media lies, the state of men today, etc

WARNING: LANGUAGE

I actually worked with Mr. Cooper many years ago... He certainly has his.... Quirks

 

[Blade Runner]

I actually worked with Mr. Cooper many years ago... He certainly has his.... Quirks

He has good content. He does give a vibe off of being edgy and temperamental though. I think this is likely what you are getting at. Not a lot of warmth there - more detached. Just calling it as I see it (manners, speech, etc). But it is true I didn't know him/about him before the divorce.

 

[Sephorax]

Sometimes I go weeks without thinking about dating and forget about women. Then I get back into the "dating scene" and remember why I stopped caring about it in the first place. You are often better off alone or do real life only. Even in real life it is hard to find a really attractive girl. Unless she is very young like 18-21 and still somewhat feminine/girly. This is in West Europe.

Especially online "dating" is absolutely wrecked. At least it seems to me. Quality of girls is very very low. Both in looks and personality.

I know it goes against religious believes maybe but for me I want genuine sexual desire from a woman. Not to be treated as a meal ticket out of her ticking time bomb (the wall). Or to be used as some type of accessories.

I also notice a lot of women have zero girl game. If they had game they could hook any guy they want. Instead they put no effort in. Probably because they get hundreds of thirsty guys treating her like a "queen". And thus making her complacent and arrogant thinking she is hot shit.

And then you have the wrinkled up, used up, close to the wall women who lived a degenerate and filthy life being on birth control big portion of her life. They all have very bad health and look older than they are. They are purely looking for a meal ticket and don't even hide it. The only thing they hide is their bitterness underneath by putting on a "I am so happy" mask. They ask questions mostly about your earning power and ambitions and seem to want to get into a relationship even without you meeting them. They don;t see you as a person/human. They see you as a ticket out.

It is really sad because those women will never be happy. They will be forced to go with a guy who they deep from the inside do not even love or have desire for.

The good thing about it is that you can avoid these women. The bad thing for me is that attraction in general to women drops lower. My libido drops like a stone when I notice even the slightest smell of "faked desire".

It's funny because women could be the biggest inspiration for men. Men turn their lives around for women sometimes. Especially if she inspires them. Instead a lot of them are ugly, foul, miserable and inspire the opposite: contempt. Then they cry that they are not respected or treated well. The problem is a majority of women are not respectable. They have the same issue as men. Since a lot of men are also not respectable.

But if you know that as a woman you can inspire change in men as well. But only if you are healthy and live a clean life. You can't be banging a different guy every week, be on birth control (which aids in this lifestyle), drink loads of alcohol and drown in misery. You cannot hide your bitterness.

This comes from a guy who lives very clean and I am healthy. So I am not an alcoholic who says this. If I lived a bad lifestyle I would deserve a woman like that as well. But this is not the case.

 

[Akaky Akakievitch]

Then I get back into the "dating scene" and remember why I stopped caring about it in the first place.

This has likely been shared elsewhere but some good, brief advice from Fr Peter Heers, which confirms your position on how modern dating methods are often futile and that we're better off simply focusing on our faith and our salvation, trusting that God has already chosen our spouse but our time has not yet come to meet them:

How to Look for a Husband / Wife - Advice from Popular US Priest (VIDEO, Peter Heers)

Brief video highlights useful advice.

gorthodox.com

There are never absolutes when it comes to this sort of advice with finding a spouse, as I know someone at my parish who met someone online and they seem to be getting on very well. But generally speaking, most modern dating tropes bring far more misery than they do any benefit. People who do the rounds on the dating scene often don't have robust spiritual lives, due to always chasing the phantom partner.

I'd come across this comment somewhere previously, but out of all the many millions of women out there, "we only need to marry one" -- so we have to hope that she is out there, and trust in God to arrange the right moment.

Or perhaps marriage is not for some of us, only God knows. This is where the discernment of a priest would help, it will be different for every one.

 

[Sephorax]

This has likely been shared elsewhere but some good, brief advice from Fr Peter Heers, which confirms your position on how modern dating methods are often futile and that we're better off simply focusing on our faith and our salvation, trusting that God has already chosen our spouse but our time has not yet come to meet them:

How to Look for a Husband / Wife - Advice from Popular US Priest (VIDEO, Peter Heers)

Brief video highlights useful advice.

gorthodox.com

There are never absolutes when it comes to this sort of advice with finding a spouse, as I know someone at my parish who met someone online and they seem to be getting on very well. But generally speaking, most modern dating tropes bring far more misery than they do any benefit. People who do the rounds on the dating scene often don't have robust spiritual lives, due to always chasing the phantom partner.

I'd come across this comment somewhere previously, but out of all the many millions of women out there, "we only need to marry one" -- so we have to hope that she is out there, and trust in God to arrange the right moment.

Or perhaps marriage is not for some of us, only God knows. This is where the discernment of a priest would help, it will be different for every one.

Nice video and post. Thank you.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

I actually worked with Mr. Cooper many years ago... He certainly has his.... Quirks

Could you elaborate? I think to be highly succesful you have to be quirky. If only the political games at where I work are at the minor level...

 

[Cr33pin]

@ the 1 minute mark..... A good looking (no homo) sharp dressed man comes along and all of a sudden..... she about to be available

 

[Maddox]

This guy knows exactly how I feel when it's Friday/Saturday night and I'm sitting alone in my apartment while other men are out on dates with girls or doing things with their wives. He perfectly sums up what it means to be middle-aged and single with no prospects on the horizon.

 

[Celibate Warrior21]

This guy knows exactly how I feel when it's Friday/Saturday night and I'm sitting alone in my apartment while other men are out on dates with girls or doing things with their wives. He perfectly sums up what it means to be middle-aged and single with no prospects on the horizon.

What that's insane....he's not a bad looking guy either. He needs to go out more and be social. He's not a bad looking dude