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<blockquote data-quote="Cartographer" data-source="post: 1515490" data-attributes="member: 7611">I grew up reading 19th century literature so I don&#039;t think there wasn&#039;t a society where women were expected to marry and be chaste. Emily Post&#039;s 1922 Etiquette is a must-read, imo. That doesn&#039;t mean it was easy to get married to a good woman, though. And once married, the path forward was no cake walk. Life was hard back then, and often short and uncomfortable too. Just because they didn&#039;t have time to sit around navel gazing about their woes on the internet doesn&#039;t mean they didn&#039;t have the same complaints men have always had. Life is hard now in a different way, and yes it&#039;s insidious and horrifying. That&#039;s our challenge like the challenge for our ancestors was physical survival.I know you don&#039;t mean arranged marriage, I assumed you meant &quot;do x and get y&quot;. That&#039;s not and never has been a thing. As many of the married posters have pointed out, it&#039;s not like leave it to beaver.I agree, boomers are shockingly unequipped to raise their children well. That&#039;s another thing that proves my point. I know so many boomer parents who are dealing with children committing suicide, dying from drugs, becoming internet whores, a few going trans, or are just plain ungrateful. It may have been easier for them to get married but I don&#039;t envy them one bit.I think most of us got here through the pua or manosphere. I was never into the full-on pua stuff which was pretty gay, but I did plenty of cold-approaching. I appreciate it as having provided some of the answers I was looking for but it also was a springboard for a lot of destructive behavior for me and other guys.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cartographer, post: 1515490, member: 7611"] I grew up reading 19th century literature so I don't think there wasn't a society where women were expected to marry and be chaste. Emily Post's 1922 Etiquette is a must-read, imo. That doesn't mean it was easy to get married to a good woman, though. And once married, the path forward was no cake walk. Life was hard back then, and often short and uncomfortable too. Just because they didn't have time to sit around navel gazing about their woes on the internet doesn't mean they didn't have the same complaints men have always had. Life is hard now in a different way, and yes it's insidious and horrifying. That's our challenge like the challenge for our ancestors was physical survival. I know you don't mean arranged marriage, I assumed you meant "do x and get y". That's not and never has been a thing. As many of the married posters have pointed out, it's not like leave it to beaver. I agree, boomers are shockingly unequipped to raise their children well. That's another thing that proves my point. I know so many boomer parents who are dealing with children committing suicide, dying from drugs, becoming internet whores, a few going trans, or are just plain ungrateful. It may have been eas[I]ier[/I] for them to get married but I don't envy them one bit. I think most of us got here through the pua or manosphere. I was never into the full-on pua stuff which was pretty gay, but I did plenty of cold-approaching. I appreciate it as having provided some of the answers I was looking for but it also was a springboard for a lot of destructive behavior for me and other guys. [/QUOTE]

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