Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus

[Oaks]

Intro

According to doctors, coronavirus is not too dangerous for the young (under 35). The older you are and the more lung diseases you have (smoking, asthma, etc.), the greater the chance of death. Most on this forum should be fine, but their parents are at greater risk. Regardless of your situation, reasonable protections are worth trying without too much cost or effort.

What can you do to stay safe?
-Masks (detailed below)
-Handwashing
-Alcohol hand sanitizer
-Cleaning agents

Hand hygiene
Soap and water is better than alcohol (Reference 1). Use alcohol only if you don't have access to a sink. Masks are worthless if you touch your eyes and nose with dirty hands.
The relative importance of respiratory vs contact transmission is hotly debated (ref. 2), but I would say handwashing warrants equal attention to mask usage.

Cleaning surfaces
Coronavirus persists for 9 days on surfaces.
62-71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite(bleach) are effective at disinfection.
Chlorhexidine is less effective (ref. 4) but has the added advantage of a longer duration of action, plus it doesn't smell bad and can be safely used on skin (ref. 3, 4)
Don't forget to clean your cell phone, headphones, and other electronics. Its probably the only thing that you use both indoors and outside your house.


Masks and Respirators

The WHO and healthcare organizations are recommending the use of masks in certain cases. (ref 5, 6, 7) Healthcare workers are most likely to face high viral loads and they have high mortality rates (higher than their age group would predict). Those caring for sick patients should wear masks. All others will have to determine their personal need for using masks.


Surgical masks
Offer limited protection. Better than nothing, so wear it if you have no alternative.

Respirators
Usually listed as "N95" This is what will give the most protection.

The "N95" means that the respirators block out at least 95 percent of tiny particles that come into contact with them, on the scale of 0.0001 inches (0.3 microns) in diameter.

BFE/PFE ratings
You want a high PFE (Particle Filtration Efficiency) for your medical/surgical mask. Viruses are smaller than bacteria so if the mask my not offer sufficient protection if it only lists a BFE but no PFE. Ideally, you want PFE greater than 99% but some masks on the market may be 95% and up.

FFP ratings(Europe)
FFP3 is graded for viruses and FFP2 are better than nothing but not as good as medical/surgical masks with BFE and PFE >99%.

Fit Testing
Critical to making sure the mask is any good. (ref. 9)
Shave your facial hair, otherwise you need a PAPR full face mask.
If an official fit test is not available, try using incense and see if the mask keeps it out (see video of a fit test in ref. 8). Banana oil is used in official fit testing, so perhaps a really ripe banana could be used or aromatherapy oils. If you can smell it, then the mask isn't fitting well.
See ref. 10 for more tips on fit.

How to wear a mask
Masks will usually have a metal band which goes on the top. After putting the band or ear loops on, you squeeze this metal band to form a tighter seal around your nose. If you wear glasses, you should remove your glasses before putting on the mask and put your glasses back on after. Usually, there will be a white side and a colored side. The colored side should face OUT but double check that the folds point down so there are no valleys produced by the mask that could collect fluids. Try to avoid touching the front of your mask and remove it by grabbing the band or ear loops. Ideally, you would also wash your hands after removing the mask.

Conclusion
Stay calm. This won't be as bad as a Hollywood disaster movie, but a few reasonable precautions may help. Stay safe everyone, and God bless.

References:
1) https://msphere.asm.org/content/4/5/e00474-19
2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2894888/
3) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32035997
4) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0310057X0803600404
5) https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
6) https://www.livescience.com/respirators-prevent-coronavirus-infection-study.html
7) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.18.20021881v1
8) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl4qX6qEYXU
9) https://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/n95masks.html
10) https://www.vpppa.org/symposium/blog-entry/quantitative-vs-qualitative-respirator-fit-test

 

[BetaNoMore]

RE: Mask and Safety guide

Just to clarify, there's a few issues with masks and respirators:

Surgical: offers limited protection and is most effective if worn by sick people because it prevents them from expelling aerosols. I've read a handful of studies say that wearing a surgical mask if you're not sick, reduces your chances of catching influenza like diseases by ~30%.

N95: Honestly, not even that practical. They have to be changed out every few hours. If worn properly, most people find it very uncomfortable although I don't mind. There's also the issue of doffing properly. Most people who are trained don't even doff properly. I really don't see how practical or effective an N95 is for a regular person to wear out in the public for long periods of time.

Eye protection: people don't seem to be mentioning this and I've seen so many pictures of civilians, law enforcement and even medical personel wearing N95s without wearing eye protection. The mucous membranes around the eyes are entry points for pathogens as well.

 

[Oaks]

RE: Mask and Safety guide

I really don't see how practical or effective an N95 is for a regular person to wear out in the public for long periods of time.

Yes, I think the key would be limiting the amount of time spent out in public. Use it for the half hour you go shopping and thats it.

Limited N95 reuse is acceptable according to the CDC
(https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hcwcontrols/recommendedguidanceextuse.html)

"The most significant risk is of contact transmission from touching the surface of the contaminated respirator"
Frequent hand washing and washing hands after taking off the mask could mitigate that risk.

More info: https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/covid-19/controlprevention.html

 

[BetaNoMore]

RE: Mask and Safety guide

Interesting article showing in that in healthcare settings for HCP, N95 and regular face-masks showed no statistical difference in their effectiveness to prevent influenza-like/coronavirus illnesses: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

Make your own N95: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/6/pdfs/05-1468.pdf

 

[BetaNoMore]

RE: Mask and Safety guide

I really don't see how practical or effective an N95 is for a regular person to wear out in the public for long periods of time.

Yes, I think the key would be limiting the amount of time spent out in public. Use it for the half hour you go shopping and thats it.

Limited N95 reuse is acceptable according to the CDC
(https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hcwcontrols/recommendedguidanceextuse.html)

"The most significant risk is of contact transmission from touching the surface of the contaminated respirator"
Frequent hand washing and washing hands after taking off the mask could mitigate that risk.

More info: https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/covid-19/controlprevention.html

I don't see how it's really possible to safely re-use an N95 if you apply it properly. 3M makes 2 main types of N95s in healthcare settings and both of which require you cup the front of the respirator with one hand while using your other hand pull the straps over your head. You then have to mould the nosepiece with your hands which will lead to you touching your eyes and the seal check also involves cupping the respirator with both your hands. Seems very risky.

 

[Oaks]

RE: Mask and Safety guide

Interesting article showing in that in healthcare settings for HCP, N95 and regular face-masks showed no statistical difference in their effectiveness to prevent influenza-like/coronavirus illnesses: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

Make your own N95: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/6/pdfs/05-1468.pdf

Interesting study. Maybe respiratory transmission wasn't the main mode of transmission?

For example,
"We estimated that approximately 37% and 26% of influenza B virus transmission was via the aerosol mode in households in Hong Kong and Bangkok, respectively."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182555/


Cool article on the homemade N95 using T-shirts.
.

 

[scotian]

RE: Mask and Safety guide

I have a couple of 3M masks with P100 filters, full face and half that I use at work when I crawl inside pressure vessels and boilers at oil refineries. I should put one on and walk around Vancouver for shits and giggles, maybe grab a tyvek suit for added effect.

 

[MichaelWitcoff]

RE: Mask and Safety guide

^That’s what I ordered. Why go 95 when you could go 100...

 

[MusicForThePiano]

RE: Mask and Safety guide

I looked those up but they're all pink #notmymask

Any other colors, black or white preferably? If someone could attach a buy link I'd be appreciative.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

I promised it a long time ago and here it is before anyone of you tests positive for the coronavirus and has to self-medicate on AIDS meds at home.

Personally I have had years of experience with it and virtually all my close family and my best friends have been convinced of it. It takes a few things to know in order to apply it well, albeit it's easy enough to do and even babies can be given it safely.

General information and basis:

http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html

Dr. Cathcart had it compiled decades ago even if Dr. Klenner had begun to use it back in the 1950s. The sisters at his hospital called his babies the happy babies since he gave the newborns already some oral vitamin C. Linus Pauling (2 time Nobel price winner) popularized it later.

Over the past ten-year period I have treated over 9,000 patients with large doses of vitamin C (Cathcart 1, 2, 3, 4, 5). The effects of this substance when used in adequate amounts markedly alters the course of many diseases. Stressful conditions of any kind greatly increase utilization of vitamin C. Ascorbate excreted in the urine drops markedly with stresses of any magnitude unless vitamin C is provided in large amounts. However, a more convenient and clinically useful measure of ascorbate need and presumably utilization is the BOWEL TOLERANCE. The amount of ascorbic acid which can be taken orally without causing diarrhea when a person is ill sometimes is over ten times the amount he would tolerate if well. This increased bowel tolerance phenomenon serves not only to indicate the amount which should be taken but indicates the unsuspected and astonishing magnitude of the potential use that the body has for ascorbate under stressful conditions.

The way vitamin C megadosing works is by simply boosting the immune system and being extremely effective against bacterial or viral infections. A few other illnesses can also be treated well while others - not so much. It's not a panaceum, it works best against bacteria, viruses, so actually ideal for such a thing like coronavirus or some antiobiotic-resistant bacteria.

In 1970, I discovered that the sicker a patient was, the more ascorbic acid he would tolerate by mouth before diarrhea was produced. At least 80% of adult patients will tolerate 10 to 15 grams of ascorbic acid fine crystals in 1/2 cup water divided into 4 doses per 24 hours without having diarrhea. The astonishing finding was that all patients, tolerant of ascorbic acid, can take greater amounts of the substance orally without having diarrhea when ill or under stress. This increased tolerance is somewhat proportional to the toxicity of the disease being treated. Tolerance is increased some by stress (e.g., anxiety, exercise, heat, cold, etc.)(see FIGURE I). Admittedly, increasing the frequency of doses increases tolerance perhaps to half again as much, but the tolerances of sometimes over 200 grams per 24 hours were totally unexpected. Representative doses taken by tolerant patients titrating their ascorbic acid intake between the relief of most symptoms and the production of diarrhea were as follows:

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All the studies can also be found on this site: http://www.orthomolecular.org


How do you take it and personal experiences:

Now a few side-comments because I heard it:

+ all experiences are based on pure vitamin C powder - or buffered as sodium ascorbate (I don't like the buffered versions but some people respond slightly better to it)

- you cannot do it with citrus fruits or by using supplements that have things added, even if you take natural vitamin C, then take it as pure as possible - no orange pressing will ever give you vitamin C megadosing because an orange has 80mg of vitamin C and you would have to drink gallons with lots of side-effect created by the fiber and plant acidity - so forget it

- don't heat it or mix it with heated water - destroys the effectiveness

- listen carefully to the dosage - it variates from person to person and illness

- maintenance and boost of healthy immune system is only at doses of 2000mg up to 10.000mg spread throughout the day - so if you want to stay fresh while fearing some infection take only 2000 to 10.000mg per day maximum - the older you are, the worse the body takes it. The most is absorbed when you are around 15-25 as a man, so 2000mg will be the same as 8000mg for an 80 year old. One person I knew misunderstood my recommendation and the girl thought - if 5000mg is good, then 25.000mg is better while being healthy. This was of course bollocks and she had even stomach cramps that dissipated. You don't take megadoses above 10.000mg while healthy!

The megadosing here is concerns anything above 10.000mg.

My personal experiences and those of family and friends:

+ I read about the studies first, but the first time I could test it for real was while having a cold with fever, weakness, severe throat pain. I read that taking 15.000mg in the first 30 minutes alleviates especially the throat pain almost instantly. And I did and boy was I surprised when the throat pain was gone almost by magic after taking 15000mg on a severe cold. I took 35.000mg more on that day and fever was lowered, pain was gone, I was only slightly inconvenienced.

+ Ever since that I experimented and had 2 more severe colds that I treated the same - took sometimes 75000mg per day to stay symptom free - feel better, had a watery painless stool when taking too much, but did not care about that since I felt good. Cold still takes however long it takes, but it's without danger.

+ Other things I witnessed in my surrounding:
+ Buddy took 20.000mg after teeth got pulled and it healed super-fast and he did not have to take pain meds, he also did not have any loose stools, which means that the body used up all 20.000mg like nothing. The dentist was even surprised because pulling 2 wisdom teeth within 3 days while it healed up like a flash was rare.
+ Aunt healed herself from bronchitis - went back to a cold within 2 days at higher doses
+ personally used it instead of allergies which I had (allergies now gone since I stopped eating certain foods which caused them) I replaced those toxic meds by taking 15000 to 30.000mg per day with no loose stool during allergy season.

Best is to test it out while having a cold and not wait for pneumonia or the coronavirus before taking it, but hey. If you have pneumonia, then you take much higher doses - every 10 minutes until you feel better. Don't be surprised to suddenly feel even healthy on a severe cold. After 1-2 hours you will feel worse again and then take some more until the disease passes naturally.

Of course it's better to get an intravenous dosage, because it works supposedly 10 times better, but unless you hire someone, then most won't be able to do it. You can order intravenous versions of vitamin C, but I wouldn't recommend doing it yourself unless you are a professional. There are hospitals and orhtomolecular MDs who offer IV vitamin C treatments. You can find them online easily enough or call them up for more local info.

However you can also take it orally - the highest doses are used in pneumonia or potentially coronavirus with up to 200.000mg orally or 20-25.000 mg intravenously.

Currently there are multiple studies of using vitamin C infusions in cancer treatments. While it boosts the immune system, the good part is that many patients have little side-effects on chemo and don't even lose hair. So it's a good combination therapy. A few cancers like liver cancer respond extremely well to vitamin C infusions - I know personally one woman who had stage 4 liver cancer and was healed within 6 months after getting bi-weekly vitamin C infusions. I spoke to the woman as well as the MD who did the treatment. The hospital sent her home to write a will, so it did not matter to them what she tried. But keep in mind that this works only well on some cancers - others don't respond to it, but generally boosting your immune system isn't a bad idea.

Now back to how to take it:

http://www.doctoryourself.com/oral.html

Vitamin C in high, very frequent oral doses will achieve blood plasma concentrations approaching, but not as high as, intravenous infusion.

By “high,” I mean in the range of 30,000 to 100,000 milligrams per day, and 500-2,000 milligrams per dose.

By “very frequent,” I mean taking 500-2,000 mg every ten minutes you are awake.

How do you know if you took enough? You feel better.


How do you know if you took too much? You will have loose stools. At that point, of course, you back off and take less.


How much less? Enough to still feel better, and not so much as causes loose stools.

If you do not think this will work, it is probably because you have not tried it.


Or, perhaps because you need to read the following especially important and helpful material:

Cathcart RF. Vitamin C, titrating to bowel tolerance, anascorbemia, and acute induced scurvy. Med Hypotheses. 1981 Nov;7(11):1359-76. Free access to full text paper at http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html

Cathcart RF. The third face of vitamin C. Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, 7:4;197-200, 1993. Free access to full text paper at http://www.doctoryourself.com/cathcart_thirdface.html

Other papers by Dr. Cathcart are posted at http://www.doctoryourself.com/biblio_cathcart.html .

Hickey S and Roberts H. Ascorbate: The science of vitamin C. 2004. Lulu Press. ISBN 1-4116-0724-4. Reviewed at http://www.doctoryourself.com/ascorbate.html

Duconge J et al. Pharmacokinetics of vitamin C: insights into the oral and intravenous administration of ascorbate. PR Health Sciences Journal, 2008. 27:1, March.

I personally found pure vitamin C powder best but one orthomolecular psychiatrist I spoke to said that some people respond better to buffered vitamin C powder in the form of sodium ascorbate:



You take 5-8 parts vitamin c powder and 1 part sodium bicarbonate pure (baking soda). Mix it, it changes to sodium ascorbate. It's especially good in that form when you have a painful sore throat. It becomes a sort of salt then, so that you have to drink more water. For me - I don't like this version of vitamin C much - bloats me too much, works slower and I don't like the salty taste. I don't mind the citrus-like vitamin C taste and can deal with it much better. Though as mentioned - this is for some people - maybe 10% do better with sodium ascorbate than l-ascorbic acid.

I took it always with water - non-heated.


Why isn't this well-known and practiced worldwide if it is so effective?

Your guess as good as mine, but I will elaborate.

First of all - I know for a fact that some hospitals like high military ones in Germany use vitamin C infusions. They apply it to any trauma patient and patient with unknown infection instantly before they start doing tests. But this is the stark minority.

+ vitamin c powder is super-cheap and works better than 100% of all cold meds in the world - megadosing replaces antibiotica and other meds, it would lower real mortality likely wipe out billions of their profits instantly
+ it cannot be patented
+ taking it daily makes people more healthy - albeit I read that the dosage varies from person to person - funnily enough the more plant foods you eat, the more vitamin C you will require while pure carnivores do fine with the small trace amounts left in meat and don't need much. It makes sense since vitamin C is needed to deal with the plant toxins, fiber and anti-nutrients that meat lacks.

Magedose therapy is nothing new and there are now ever more orthomolecular MDs having practices worldwide. There were here on the forum young MDs who tested it out and emailed me that this stuff works. You can find MDs and other practitioners here: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/pract.shtml

So regardless what you think of the coronavirus - take more if you are healthy in those times, when diagnosed, self-quarantine at home and take huge doses of 100.000mg to 200.000mg per day - if you get loose stool after 20.000mg even on the virus, then you will have a benign version.

I ordered 6 pounds of vitamin C powder recently to have some backup in the worst case. That should be enough because if you can push back pneumonia within 2-3 days on 200.000mg per day, then I doubt that I would need more than 2 pounds on higher dose, then significantly less later.

Anyone who has any questions can PM me, especially when you have tested positively . I wouldn't recommend taking the AIDs meds - they are just shooting in the dark with this. Oh - there is a ton of vitamin C coming from China - maybe pick some local producer at least in this period.

 

[KMK]

RE: Vitamin C Megadose Datasheet

I read your vitamin C recommendation a month ago (if sick, take powder until you have watery diarrhea) and caught a cold shortly after. I bought some vitamin C powder and started taking it when I felt the tickle in the back of my throat.

Results: No effect on the sore throat, which lasted the usual 3-4 days. But it crushed the nasal congestion and the cough, which only managed to take root for about 12 hours and were very mild. This is from someone who never used immune strengtheners before that.

So it seems to be legit.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

RE: Vitamin C Megadose Datasheet

< Yeah it lowers the symptoms to the max. Usually it works on a sore throat. Sometimes as mentioned I make sodium ascorbate with some baking soda (pure). The strong pain is gone - at best some slight sore throat remains.

But alas it's a bit different for everyone - for example - it barely works for nasal congestion for me. But what works on everyone is that your body fights off the sickness much easier - some variations exist and the doses are somewhat different for everyone.

The real life-savers are in severe colds/flus/pneumonia/antiobiotic-resistant bacteria etc.

 

[Captain Gh]

RE: Vitamin C Megadose Datasheet

Haha a Big Thanks. Not even joking about a month and a half ago, I literally went through your posting history (yeah it took awhile) time dig up your Mega- Dosing orthomocular advice!

In my case, mega dosing pretty much eliminates my need for asthma medications! And the vitamin C I take is good, but definitely not the High End Stuff!

Give this a Try! It works

 

[Nexus]

RE: Vitamin C Megadose Datasheet

I take 2.5 - 5grams a day and the most is around 10-12 grams. It doesn't really give me the shits but to be honest, I haven't noticed any health benefits. I also take 5000 to 20000 IU of D3 a day.

 

[renotime]

RE: Vitamin C Megadose Datasheet

Garlic, turmeric, and vitamin D are also good for strengthening your immune system.

 

[Swooper]

RE: Vitamin C Megadose Datasheet

Mega dosing Vitamin C gives me monster diarrhea and I haven't seen any benefits.

 

[911]

RE: Mask and Safety guide

Have you had your personal color analysis done?

What's the color of your spirit animal?

I'm holding out for a celadon mask for the rest of winter and taupe for spring.

 

[Roosh]

RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

Since coronavirus is a popular topic, I'll place this thread in the EE subforum for a period of time.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

I have been asked about body-weight:

As for body-weight - yes - it's of course body-weight relevant, but you do it by raising slowly. Babies get sometimes increments of 100mg until there is an improvement. So even parents with tiny babies can do it. That is why Cathcart had so many variations for colds and diseases - going from 15000mg to 150.000mg - partly it was due to body weight, men/women or age/general health. Women generally take far less, but you don't need to measure that much because the side-effects after taking too much are not meaningful. Albeit it's true that women can take too much quicker - just raise it slowly until you feel better every 15 minutes.

I heard parents who didn't have much issue with dosing it to their babies after antibiotics did not work and they were ready to try something else.

But since some parents are actively giving their children aged 6 to 12 up to 5000mg daily spread in 3 doses, then it's clear that most up to the maintenance dose of 10.000mg isn't overly problematic. Anything else - just raise it slow every 15-30 minutes until you feel better. However if you for example have taken 30.000mg, still don't feel better, have zero soft stool or little, then you can safely take more. It works that well.

And another mention - it won't work on fungi, parasites - what it does is boost the immune system and work well against viruses and bacteria. And even with some bacteria like the ones causing Syphillis - there are excellent antibiotics there and I would use them in tandem. But many many diseases and strains are treated by broadband heavy antibiotics or they don't even know what is causing it and blasting elderly or young people with antibiotics that have massive side effects. I know one such 80-year-old whose digestion was wiped out by a wrong choice of heavy antibiotics - she now weighs some 60 pounds and is about to die soon. Another kid I knew took antibiotics until she was deaf in one ear. So yeah - those cases are prime examples of rather going high on the vitamin c megadosing - worst thing you can get is a passing stomach cramp or explosive stool - big deal. At least you won't get deaf or end up unable to digest food.

 

[It_is_my_time]

RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

Is there a huge difference in Vitamin C powder v. Vitamin C pills? I have the pills and I take them when I feel run down.

I also take Vitamin D when I feel run down or if I am out of the sun for a few days in a row.

I take Apple Cidaer Vinegar when I am sick and it really boosts my immune system and eases the cold symptoms. The cold is still there, but the symptoms are much less noticeable.

I just recently started drinking ginger root tea every morning and then eating the ginger root pieces from the tea with my breakfast. This makes me feel a lot better and helps ward off any cold symptoms.

And I just started eating one piece of raw garlic every morning. It really gives me a good energy boost and good feeling to start the day.