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Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus
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I was just about to post that.
Can we end this quarantine already?
Can we end this quarantine already?
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I was just about to post that.
Can we end this quarantine already?
First the press is like "Trump is killing people by recommending hydroxychloroquine "
Now it's "Trump's family invested in hydroxychloroquine, his family will get even more rich now"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...l-interest-in-hydroxychloroquine-manufacturer
President Donald Trump has a “small financial interest” in the drugmaker of an anti-malarial drug that he has been touting as a “game changer” in treating coronavirus, according to The New York Times. Over the past two weeks, Trump and his Fox News allies have aggressively promoted hydroxychloroquine as a potential cure despite top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci urging caution and noting that there was not enough evidence of the drug’s efficacy.
The Times reports that the president’s family trusts all have investments in a mutual fund whose largest holding is Sanofi, the manufacturer of Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine. Associates of the president, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, have also run funds that hold investments in the pharmaceutical firm.
Can we end this quarantine already?
First the press is like "Trump is killing people by recommending hydroxychloroquine "
Now it's "Trump's family invested in hydroxychloroquine, his family will get even more rich now"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...l-interest-in-hydroxychloroquine-manufacturer
President Donald Trump has a “small financial interest” in the drugmaker of an anti-malarial drug that he has been touting as a “game changer” in treating coronavirus, according to The New York Times. Over the past two weeks, Trump and his Fox News allies have aggressively promoted hydroxychloroquine as a potential cure despite top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci urging caution and noting that there was not enough evidence of the drug’s efficacy.
The Times reports that the president’s family trusts all have investments in a mutual fund whose largest holding is Sanofi, the manufacturer of Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine. Associates of the president, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, have also run funds that hold investments in the pharmaceutical firm.
flaghunter
Sparrow
Simeon_Strangelight said:
Thanks and repped.
What do you mean by the bolded part above?
And I assume I'm best to keep breaking the dose over 6 different times a day than all at once?
Simeon_Strangelight
Eagle
flaghunter said:
Always spreading it out is better.
I assume you have a cold/flu, so you take it until you feel better.
But there are strange viral/bacterial diseases that give you little symptoms at first - if you for example have one of those, take 20/30/40 grams of vitamin C and have zero stool, then by golly I would continue upping the dosage until I get a loose stool. The reason is just because something is wrong with you and you don't know what it is, but your body absorbs/uses 40 grams nonetheless. No one that is healthy can usually take more than 5 to 10 grams a day without some reaction.
That is all I meant by it, but again - I assume you have cold-symptoms, so nothing to worry about. Still - if you have no loose stool after let's say 40g, then you better take more or this cold is more severe than it seems to you - some people miss the symptoms of an upcoming bronchitis or pneumonia. But both can be treated with vitamin C as well - just higher doses, so no worry.
flaghunter
Sparrow
Thanks - I don't feel under the weather at all and have no cold symptoms.
I have psoriasis (an autoimmune disease), unsure if this plays a part.
Is the only reaction to having reached my limit loose stools?
I will take 30 grams today and report back.
I have psoriasis (an autoimmune disease), unsure if this plays a part.
Is the only reaction to having reached my limit loose stools?
I will take 30 grams today and report back.
Simeon_Strangelight
Eagle
flaghunter said:
Psoriasis might react to it, so have a positive impact.
I read from multiple people who cured their psoriasis with the carnivore/high carnivore diet - you might want to look into it and try it out for a month or two. Check out dr. Shawn baker or meatheals - https://meatrx.com. Quite a few people report on that condition.
No reason to suspect anything, still someone completely healthy couldn't take 24grams. Back when I had my allergies I took sometimes 20-30grams to alleviate the symptoms and it worked.
But since you have no cold-symptoms, then it's unlikely that you have one of those super-rare 1 in a million tropical diseases. I would estimate that psoriasis has something to do with it. Andrew Saul has this entry on it: http://doctoryourself.com/psoriasis.html
If you feel fine, then I wouldn't amp the dose much more, but it's still odd frankly. I hope you use pure l-ascorbic acid or not something mixed - many bodybuilder tablets are useless since they add blocking ingredients in it.
forestdweller
Sparrow
30 grams with no symptoms/obvious immune response means you'll be pissing out your ass for a few hours. Hope you don't need to be anywhere today..
Even with a cold a few weeks back, 15g gave me loose stool. It doesn't hurt but it might not be necessary in your case. Just my two cents, I'm unsure if this leads to dehydration or not..?
Even with a cold a few weeks back, 15g gave me loose stool. It doesn't hurt but it might not be necessary in your case. Just my two cents, I'm unsure if this leads to dehydration or not..?
Simeon_Strangelight
Eagle
The issue is that flaghunter took 24 grams - normally it would have resulted easily in some reaction at least past 15 grams.
If you feel fine, then you don't need to go beyond 30 to 40 grams. Obviously you spread it across the day, but this reaction is rather unlikely unless the body actually needed that amount for something - so who knows.
If you feel fine, then you don't need to go beyond 30 to 40 grams. Obviously you spread it across the day, but this reaction is rather unlikely unless the body actually needed that amount for something - so who knows.
Just throwing in a very general statement about flu/viral transmission: humidity is key. The flu spreads 2.3 times wider in dry winter air according to a recent study done in NYC IIRC. Indoor heating through hot air adds to the dryness problem. Dry air leaves your mucal areas more exposed to the virus. Residents with old school radiator heating have been found to have lower flu rates than those with hot air systems.
You can mitigate this at home by for instance ventilating before you take your showers then spreading the humidity in your apt, getting a humidifier etc.
That could be the reason why countries like India, the Philippines, Thailand etc haven't been hit as hard. It's more about the humidity that the heat, although the two are correlated, with warmer air able to hold a lot more humidity. This is also a good omen for much of north America going forward this Spring, with high humidity in the warmer season.
You can mitigate this at home by for instance ventilating before you take your showers then spreading the humidity in your apt, getting a humidifier etc.
That could be the reason why countries like India, the Philippines, Thailand etc haven't been hit as hard. It's more about the humidity that the heat, although the two are correlated, with warmer air able to hold a lot more humidity. This is also a good omen for much of north America going forward this Spring, with high humidity in the warmer season.
Cross posted from another thread. Note I took a high dose of Vitamin C, but not the massive doses. The maximum I ever took was 6g a day, though if you have comorbidities you could go 4x that based upon the severity of your symptoms.
It's looking like it's not a respiratory illness at all, which is why the intial waves of patients who are treated as if it is a respiratory diseases died in such great numbers, because the treatments didn't work. I wrote about this last night in the skeptics thread.
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74750-post-2077522.html#pid2077522
This also explains the apparent cases of 'reinfection', which aren't.
From one of the articles:
Note Emancipator was already discussing this theory in the Skeptics thread. This also explains the comorbidities, racial and genetic factors - such as blood type - that are being shown more clearly as the data set gets larger.
'Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy' means the white brain matter was starved of oxygen for a period, such as from being in a coma. People are requiring re-hospitalization a couple of weeks after the fact because of this and other damage to major organs.
More here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2835522/
So what you need to do is, when symptoms first present, is to keep the blood oxygenated to keep your body alive long enough to develop antibodies. People at higher risk of this die by progressing into cascading organ damage from the lack of oxygen and the inability to flush out excess iron before this happens.
The anti-malaria drug should work to do this, but, unfortunately, half of the American government and the mainstream media are going to do everything possible to stop that drug being used, because if a large number of people die, they believe people will turn on Trump and vote for their selected Senile Pedo.
I've been red pilling my Priest. He's a highly-intelligent man and understood the articles I sent, and previous medical data I've shared. He said our government has shown recently how little it values both infant and elderly life.
As I explained in the other thread, the easiest and simplest way for most people to treat failure to oxygenate blood seems to be - as the Chinese and Asian doctors were saying back in February, as the man you're all crowing about blocking by putting on ignore was saying for admittedly-different reasons, and I repeatedly-stressed though my own treatment - higher than usual doses of Vitamin C, particularly in the L-Ascorbic Acid form. It's cheap for now - I note the price is increasing - and you have nothing to lose by taking it if you start showing the expected symptoms and progression from that Lancet Article Roosh and I discussed ages back.
I went from showing signs of Sepsis on Day 7 - increase lethargy; being unable to breath, particularly on my back; shortness of breath - to fully awake and aware within an hour of taking the first higher dose of L-Ascorbic Acid, because I was oxygenated again. If I hadn't done this, my immunocompromised state since my mid-20's would likely have put me into hospital by Day 12, where, worst case scenario, they would have intubated me, which wouldn't have done anything to address the blood issue, and most-likely caused me long term lung damage, assuming I survived.
I also now understand I picked it up by prepping in an Indian / Asian supermarket for about 50 minutes, 5 days before I came down with symptoms, the week before university restarted, when all the Chinese students were returning from overseas.
On a funny note, my Sister sent me something amusing on how different Myers-Briggs type respond to the crisis. Since I see information and experience as a series of reinforcing patterns, it's very easy to see an underlying truth across multiple events, but it's also impossible to explain it to anyone.
If you really want to risk long term organ damage just to spite someone who 'thinks they know better', well, that's your choice of free will. But given that Ascorbic Acid is cheap, and the government and media is bitch slapping each other in a petty fashion, and is going to just tell you to say at home anyway, you're losing nothing by taking it when symptoms present, except possibly telling someone 'they were right', in future which I'm unconcerned about hearing anyway.
So, know the symptoms: the most common are a sudden fever out of nowhere, fatigue and nagging cough. When you have them, you start treatment.
I took an initial dose of 5g to just trial my bodily reaction to a high dose. This was 'the punch'. After that, I followed the plan the Shanghai Government formulated back in February.
The Shanghai government would say that when you first start showing symptoms, you take 1g (1000mg) per hour for six hours.
After that, they'd suggest, based on illness severity, from between 50-200 mgs x per kg of body weight per day. I started on 50. So, for me it was roughly 6 gram (6000 mgs) per day, so I took 2 g morning, noon and night until things settled down.
Note: the Vitamin C is treating the failure to of blood oxygenation, NOT to alleviate flu symptoms, which everyone will quite readily tell you 'doesn't work', based on random MSM articles. So get this through to people when you recommend treatment with it: it's about keeping your SP02% level up so your organs don't fail, not about 'feeling less fluey'.
Note, I didn't pass it out through my urine, or get the expected diarrhea, which mean my body was using all of it to fight the virus. Once the fever finally stopped - Day 18 - it then evidenced it my urine quite quickly after dosage, and I started getting loose stools, so I dropped it back to just 1g a day.
It must be coming up on about two weeks later now, and it hasn't returned. So, no sign of Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy.
Look, you only have a 10% chance of of needing hospitalization with this. Just take the Vitamin C when it presents. As I mentioned before the Clinical Trials they did in Wuhan with Vitamin C in March resulted in a 100% survival rate of patients already presenting with ARDS. If the Western Media wants to label them all as 'lying commies', well, I've learnt everything they say is false.
A friend reminded me last night why I took that initial dose of Vitamin C: because I read in February in the Australian News that it was a 'Crazy conspiracy theory', so figured the truth was the opposite of what they said.
I'll cross post this in the health treatments thread.
La Águila Negra said:
It's looking like it's not a respiratory illness at all, which is why the intial waves of patients who are treated as if it is a respiratory diseases died in such great numbers, because the treatments didn't work. I wrote about this last night in the skeptics thread.
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74750-post-2077522.html#pid2077522
This also explains the apparent cases of 'reinfection', which aren't.
From one of the articles:
Note Emancipator was already discussing this theory in the Skeptics thread. This also explains the comorbidities, racial and genetic factors - such as blood type - that are being shown more clearly as the data set gets larger.
'Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy' means the white brain matter was starved of oxygen for a period, such as from being in a coma. People are requiring re-hospitalization a couple of weeks after the fact because of this and other damage to major organs.
More here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2835522/
So what you need to do is, when symptoms first present, is to keep the blood oxygenated to keep your body alive long enough to develop antibodies. People at higher risk of this die by progressing into cascading organ damage from the lack of oxygen and the inability to flush out excess iron before this happens.
The anti-malaria drug should work to do this, but, unfortunately, half of the American government and the mainstream media are going to do everything possible to stop that drug being used, because if a large number of people die, they believe people will turn on Trump and vote for their selected Senile Pedo.
I've been red pilling my Priest. He's a highly-intelligent man and understood the articles I sent, and previous medical data I've shared. He said our government has shown recently how little it values both infant and elderly life.
As I explained in the other thread, the easiest and simplest way for most people to treat failure to oxygenate blood seems to be - as the Chinese and Asian doctors were saying back in February, as the man you're all crowing about blocking by putting on ignore was saying for admittedly-different reasons, and I repeatedly-stressed though my own treatment - higher than usual doses of Vitamin C, particularly in the L-Ascorbic Acid form. It's cheap for now - I note the price is increasing - and you have nothing to lose by taking it if you start showing the expected symptoms and progression from that Lancet Article Roosh and I discussed ages back.
I went from showing signs of Sepsis on Day 7 - increase lethargy; being unable to breath, particularly on my back; shortness of breath - to fully awake and aware within an hour of taking the first higher dose of L-Ascorbic Acid, because I was oxygenated again. If I hadn't done this, my immunocompromised state since my mid-20's would likely have put me into hospital by Day 12, where, worst case scenario, they would have intubated me, which wouldn't have done anything to address the blood issue, and most-likely caused me long term lung damage, assuming I survived.
I also now understand I picked it up by prepping in an Indian / Asian supermarket for about 50 minutes, 5 days before I came down with symptoms, the week before university restarted, when all the Chinese students were returning from overseas.
On a funny note, my Sister sent me something amusing on how different Myers-Briggs type respond to the crisis. Since I see information and experience as a series of reinforcing patterns, it's very easy to see an underlying truth across multiple events, but it's also impossible to explain it to anyone.
If you really want to risk long term organ damage just to spite someone who 'thinks they know better', well, that's your choice of free will. But given that Ascorbic Acid is cheap, and the government and media is bitch slapping each other in a petty fashion, and is going to just tell you to say at home anyway, you're losing nothing by taking it when symptoms present, except possibly telling someone 'they were right', in future which I'm unconcerned about hearing anyway.
So, know the symptoms: the most common are a sudden fever out of nowhere, fatigue and nagging cough. When you have them, you start treatment.
I took an initial dose of 5g to just trial my bodily reaction to a high dose. This was 'the punch'. After that, I followed the plan the Shanghai Government formulated back in February.
The Shanghai government would say that when you first start showing symptoms, you take 1g (1000mg) per hour for six hours.
After that, they'd suggest, based on illness severity, from between 50-200 mgs x per kg of body weight per day. I started on 50. So, for me it was roughly 6 gram (6000 mgs) per day, so I took 2 g morning, noon and night until things settled down.
Note: the Vitamin C is treating the failure to of blood oxygenation, NOT to alleviate flu symptoms, which everyone will quite readily tell you 'doesn't work', based on random MSM articles. So get this through to people when you recommend treatment with it: it's about keeping your SP02% level up so your organs don't fail, not about 'feeling less fluey'.
Note, I didn't pass it out through my urine, or get the expected diarrhea, which mean my body was using all of it to fight the virus. Once the fever finally stopped - Day 18 - it then evidenced it my urine quite quickly after dosage, and I started getting loose stools, so I dropped it back to just 1g a day.
It must be coming up on about two weeks later now, and it hasn't returned. So, no sign of Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy.
Look, you only have a 10% chance of of needing hospitalization with this. Just take the Vitamin C when it presents. As I mentioned before the Clinical Trials they did in Wuhan with Vitamin C in March resulted in a 100% survival rate of patients already presenting with ARDS. If the Western Media wants to label them all as 'lying commies', well, I've learnt everything they say is false.
A friend reminded me last night why I took that initial dose of Vitamin C: because I read in February in the Australian News that it was a 'Crazy conspiracy theory', so figured the truth was the opposite of what they said.
I'll cross post this in the health treatments thread.
Simeon_Strangelight
Eagle
AnonymousBosch said:
This might indeed explain part of the differences we observe in mortality between coutnries - if treated the wrong way, then it becomes quickly very lethal, if treated with a modicum of meds, then you get Austrian or German mortality numbers where the agencies had to get creative with the counting to even reach the very low death stats.
It may also explain Japan and Taiwan who opted for an utterly different treatment approach for sure - both countries must have had early transmission similar to Australia. Australia also seems to be a country that did not use the lethal Wuhan/Italian treatment protocol.
And the worst part is that someone at the top knows this, gives recommendations to join the lethal treatment, doesn't explain what needs to be done becuase the goal is to use this for mayhem and enslavement.
It's an utter disgrace that common folk have to go into fact-searching mode in order to come to truth. Amazing also to me that MDs don't wonder why mortality rates are so different country to country and don't try to find out what some places do differently. Sure - re-evaluation of deaths is going on, but it's not only that in some areas.
I have a question about Hydroxychloroquine. From anecdotal evidence that we've seen so far, it helps against coronavirus by opening the cells to receive more zinc, which in turn blocks viral replication inside those cells.
But isn't that true of every virus in general? If simply adding zinc to cells is enough to block viruses, wouldn't every virus in the world already be eradicated by hydroxychloroquine?
But isn't that true of every virus in general? If simply adding zinc to cells is enough to block viruses, wouldn't every virus in the world already be eradicated by hydroxychloroquine?
flaghunter
Sparrow
I took 36g (6x6g) yesterday - no loose stools and still feeling good, as I was last week before I started taking 6x1g per day.
Perhaps it's to do with my digestive system, I tend to be quite gassy in general, but I'm unsure if there is any health benefit in taking over 10g per day if I don't feel any better?
Perhaps it's to do with my digestive system, I tend to be quite gassy in general, but I'm unsure if there is any health benefit in taking over 10g per day if I don't feel any better?
Simeon_Strangelight
Eagle
flaghunter said:
36g is a lot - no healthy person can take that unless you are someone one in a million.
You do take pure l-ascorbic acid?
There is only a health benefit if your body uses that vitamin C. That means that no one being healthy could ever take 36 grams and not experience something - first loose stools, then even passing stomach cramps (also harmless, but can happen), in the worst sdie effect I heard even vomiting, but you would have to really overdo it. Those are the worst side-effects you could expect. I never did this, never experimented even with taking more than 8grams while healthy.
I wouldn't continue taking that much - go back to 10 grams.
There are 2 options here:
1) You have an underlying health condition that you are not aware of. In this case I wouldn't take high doses pre-emptively either. If I started to feel something being off, then I would start taking 20-30 grams per day until I felt better. I mentioned in the datasheet that soem people can actually reverse liver damage with a daily dose of 20-30 grams per day. They don't experience loose stools while they do it and it takes 2-4 weeks. Some MDs are actually treating patients with that and taking them off liver transplant lists. You could be one of those people, but I wouldn't go and do it without a proper diagnosis. Though if a GP says that your liver is fucked, then you would know what to do and take higher doses for 2-3 weeks until everything is hopefully back to normal.
or
2) You are a genetic freak who can stomach 36 grams of vitamin C - pure l-ascorbic acid, use it, excrete it, without side effects.
The second is less likely, but who knows - human medicine is a broad population science. Maybe 1 in 10.000 or 1 in 100.000 humans can do what you do. Others get loose stools after taking 1,5 grams and you get it at 50 grams while healthy. It's bizarre but not impossible.
Either way - I might consider going to an MD once this cv crisis is over and do tests on the liver, find out if possibly your psoriasis got better with vitamin C. That could be also an explanation - that your body just used it all up.
Either way - I would stay at 10 grams until further notice and certainly not continue taking such high amounts with no known disease to be cured with it. A few days won't hurt, but doing it for weeks is not recommendable. (unless as I said your liver is damaged, you have an unknown allergy or other condition - on which this is working).
Simeon, is the L-ascorbic acid considered the default form of Vitamin C? How many forms are there anyway? I'm considering getting this, which is one of the very few forms of "pure" Vitamin C powder available in my country:
Vitamin C (Calcium L-Ascorbate) 600 mg per 1/2 teaspoon
https://www.mojaljekarna.hr/imunite...rah.html?search_query=askorbat&fast_search=fs
"Ascorbate C (ascorbic acid bound to calcium) is a non-sour form of Vitamin C, stable and heat-resistant, and may be added to tea.
[img=800x800]https://www.mojaljekarna.hr/16897-large_default/twinlab-ascorbate-c-prah.jpg[/img]
Vitamin C (Calcium L-Ascorbate) 600 mg per 1/2 teaspoon
https://www.mojaljekarna.hr/imunite...rah.html?search_query=askorbat&fast_search=fs
"Ascorbate C (ascorbic acid bound to calcium) is a non-sour form of Vitamin C, stable and heat-resistant, and may be added to tea.
[img=800x800]https://www.mojaljekarna.hr/16897-large_default/twinlab-ascorbate-c-prah.jpg[/img]
Simeon_Strangelight
Eagle
Most of the large studies and experiences is based on l-ascorbic acid.
Also my own and experiences of other folk show that buffered versions give some people a bloated stomach.
Add to it the study linked by ABosch which specifically shows the oxidative reaction of pure l-ascorbic acid versus other versions - especially in the context of covid-reactions. Generally all versions of vitamin C are effective, but there may be giant deviations and more people than not will have reactions with buffered versions.
One orthomolecular MD I talked to said that the buffered versions - sodium ascorbate and others are better only for 10-20% of the population while the majority respond far better to pure default l-ascorbic acid.
That is the default version and one I recommend for everyone first - just pure cheap l-ascorbic acid without anything. Me and friends/family tried different versions, but all of us prefer the pure stuff - no bloating as with sodium ascorbate, quicker reaction time etc. We use it for years and once you test it our yourself you will see the difference and what works better for you.
Also my own and experiences of other folk show that buffered versions give some people a bloated stomach.
Add to it the study linked by ABosch which specifically shows the oxidative reaction of pure l-ascorbic acid versus other versions - especially in the context of covid-reactions. Generally all versions of vitamin C are effective, but there may be giant deviations and more people than not will have reactions with buffered versions.
One orthomolecular MD I talked to said that the buffered versions - sodium ascorbate and others are better only for 10-20% of the population while the majority respond far better to pure default l-ascorbic acid.
That is the default version and one I recommend for everyone first - just pure cheap l-ascorbic acid without anything. Me and friends/family tried different versions, but all of us prefer the pure stuff - no bloating as with sodium ascorbate, quicker reaction time etc. We use it for years and once you test it our yourself you will see the difference and what works better for you.
Chris Martenson shares his supplement regimen, both preventative and treatment, beginning at the 17:50 mark -- or you can jump directly to the list at the 23:30 mark. I agree with it. I just ordered some quercetin, because it helps transport zinc into your cells, similar to chloroquine.
John Michael Kane
Crow
Does anyone have a brand/model recommendation for a blood Oximeter? It seems like a very helpful tool to have in the home. I want a high-quality, accurate one. I don't want to take the risk and get a bad reading on a crappy one. Suggestions are most appreciated.