Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus
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RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
Yes - pure ascorbic acid.
There are plenty of local producers.
Swanson and Now Foods have their own higher than industry standards, but every version will work - even the one used for animals works. By the way - cows and chicken are fed vitamin C - at least many farmers do it. The doses are not even small, but humans - they don't care.
I personally use German or local European products. The ones industrially fermented have been found to be almost as effective as naturally produced. There are some studies which say that fully natural vitamin C works 20-50% better, but you have to realize that this necessitates huge amounts of plants processed, generally those products cost 1000% more. I wouldn't even support it on the grounds of having to use thousands of oranges for my powder that works just as well as deriving it from corn starch. Modern chemical methods are good enough to produce almost 100% pure l-ascorbic acid with very few trace elements left.
As for pills - you have to watch out for producers. I tested out a few and they were disastrous - GNC puts additives in it which block the absorption, others add aspartame. MOst big supplement companies are owned by big pharma. Now Foods and Swanson are family businesses. I would rather trust a producer which makes vitamin c powder for animals than I would take the ones made by big supplement companies like GNC.
So megadosing with pills will be tricky because there are other useless ingredients added to it. I tested it out with some products and it gave me only bloating.
But if you want to boost and protect, then taking 5 pills a 1000mg should do the trick - quite a few companies are good enough even if most are smaller or higher-end.
Yes - pure ascorbic acid.
There are plenty of local producers.
Swanson and Now Foods have their own higher than industry standards, but every version will work - even the one used for animals works. By the way - cows and chicken are fed vitamin C - at least many farmers do it. The doses are not even small, but humans - they don't care.
I personally use German or local European products. The ones industrially fermented have been found to be almost as effective as naturally produced. There are some studies which say that fully natural vitamin C works 20-50% better, but you have to realize that this necessitates huge amounts of plants processed, generally those products cost 1000% more. I wouldn't even support it on the grounds of having to use thousands of oranges for my powder that works just as well as deriving it from corn starch. Modern chemical methods are good enough to produce almost 100% pure l-ascorbic acid with very few trace elements left.
As for pills - you have to watch out for producers. I tested out a few and they were disastrous - GNC puts additives in it which block the absorption, others add aspartame. MOst big supplement companies are owned by big pharma. Now Foods and Swanson are family businesses. I would rather trust a producer which makes vitamin c powder for animals than I would take the ones made by big supplement companies like GNC.
So megadosing with pills will be tricky because there are other useless ingredients added to it. I tested it out with some products and it gave me only bloating.
But if you want to boost and protect, then taking 5 pills a 1000mg should do the trick - quite a few companies are good enough even if most are smaller or higher-end.
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
Unless a health professional recommends otherwise, I always go with NOW Brand for most supplements. They have a great reputation for quality and a good price point. A health professional I met speaks very highly of the company. I also believe that NOW Brand was one of the two brands that Simeon previously recommended. [Edit: I see that Simeon posted before me by a few minutes and also recommends NOW Brand.]
I ordered a pound of Vitamin C yesterday. NOW makes two types: Vitamin C crystals and buffered powder. I use the crystals.
The bioavailability of different forms of Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) does not vary too much, although I assume that the body absorbs crystals and powders far quicker. Here is a great article from the The Linus Pauling Institute, Micronutrient Information Center, at Oregon State University:
https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/vitamin-C/supplemental-forms
I found and read the article cited above before I placed my order yesterday.
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Unless a health professional recommends otherwise, I always go with NOW Brand for most supplements. They have a great reputation for quality and a good price point. A health professional I met speaks very highly of the company. I also believe that NOW Brand was one of the two brands that Simeon previously recommended. [Edit: I see that Simeon posted before me by a few minutes and also recommends NOW Brand.]
I ordered a pound of Vitamin C yesterday. NOW makes two types: Vitamin C crystals and buffered powder. I use the crystals.
The bioavailability of different forms of Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) does not vary too much, although I assume that the body absorbs crystals and powders far quicker. Here is a great article from the The Linus Pauling Institute, Micronutrient Information Center, at Oregon State University:
https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/vitamin-C/supplemental-forms
I found and read the article cited above before I placed my order yesterday.
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
I am a long-time alternative medicine, holistic health user. I concur with everything that Simeon stated, although I was surprised about using Vitamin C every ten minutes. I will try that the next time that I get a tickle in the throat.
Here are some additional helpful articles about Vitamin C use:
1) At first glance, this 63-page article appears overwhelming, but it is actually a slide-show presentation that you can breeze through in just a few minutes. It documents the history of the use of Vitamin C, complete with citations to medical articles and some web links:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/VC.NZ.Sept.2010.pdf
2) Here is an article on your legal right to demand IV Vitamin C treatments at the hospital, written by a doctor (MD) and JD (lawyer):
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n26.shtml
3) Here is a short article about the effectiveness of IV Vitamin C treatments and your legal rights at the hospital:
http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml
4) A great comprehensive article about "The Riordan IVC Protocol for Adjunctive Cancer Care," which is very similar to the IV protocol for most other disease states:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/RiordanIVC.pdf
I am a long-time alternative medicine, holistic health user. I concur with everything that Simeon stated, although I was surprised about using Vitamin C every ten minutes. I will try that the next time that I get a tickle in the throat.
Here are some additional helpful articles about Vitamin C use:
1) At first glance, this 63-page article appears overwhelming, but it is actually a slide-show presentation that you can breeze through in just a few minutes. It documents the history of the use of Vitamin C, complete with citations to medical articles and some web links:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/VC.NZ.Sept.2010.pdf
2) Here is an article on your legal right to demand IV Vitamin C treatments at the hospital, written by a doctor (MD) and JD (lawyer):
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n26.shtml
3) Here is a short article about the effectiveness of IV Vitamin C treatments and your legal rights at the hospital:
http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml
4) A great comprehensive article about "The Riordan IVC Protocol for Adjunctive Cancer Care," which is very similar to the IV protocol for most other disease states:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/RiordanIVC.pdf
ScannerLIV
Woodpecker
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
Now brand Vitamin C is derived from China sources.
I don't know of any made in American Vitamin C brand.
Now brand Vitamin C is derived from China sources.
I don't know of any made in American Vitamin C brand.
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
Even if they derive it from there, they are doing additional testing and I would not be concerned about it.
They did tests on vitamin c powder as a basis for potential viral or bacterial transmission and the results were such that no virus or bacteria survives in that kind of environment.
Here a few statements by Chinese and South Korean MDs as it pertains to the coronavirus treatments:
The results are certainly better than the ones obtained by non-effective antibiotics and AIDs meds.
And they certainly used made-in-China products there.
Even if they derive it from there, they are doing additional testing and I would not be concerned about it.
They did tests on vitamin c powder as a basis for potential viral or bacterial transmission and the results were such that no virus or bacteria survives in that kind of environment.
Here a few statements by Chinese and South Korean MDs as it pertains to the coronavirus treatments:
The results are certainly better than the ones obtained by non-effective antibiotics and AIDs meds.
And they certainly used made-in-China products there.
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
Holy S**t!!! Big thanks for this one!!! I'm sure to use this one if (when) I need to go to the hospital!! I remember reading in one of Simeon's source how 1 hospital literally refused to continue the IV treatment which were working to go back to chemo I believe (not sure) which made him kick the bucket sooner then expected.
Tail Gunner said:
Holy S**t!!! Big thanks for this one!!! I'm sure to use this one if (when) I need to go to the hospital!! I remember reading in one of Simeon's source how 1 hospital literally refused to continue the IV treatment which were working to go back to chemo I believe (not sure) which made him kick the bucket sooner then expected.
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
< Cancer is complicated.
It works extremely well on the liver since liver-transplant patients were able to rejuvenate their liver completely via a daily dose of 20.000mg to 30.000mg. You can read accounts of MDs on the site doctoryourself.com. That is why it seems that liver cancer and vitamin C is a lucky connection. The terminal patient on whom it worked - I know that woman and the MD.
However I also witnessed attempts of using vitamin C infusions on lung cancer, prostate cancer and skin cancer. It did not have such an effect - one person just retained her hair and felt better during chemo. Liver seems to an organ where vitamin C megadose goes through, rejuvenating it and eliminating cancer. Maybe there are some organs as well, but lungs, skin and prostate are not some of them. In those cancers I would estimate that vit C just keeps down side-effects of chemo. If you want to go alternative there, then going carnivore and taking an amino-acid-suppressant and starving out cancer might be a good choice: SEE-oU8_NSU
Unfortunately cancer does not have such easy solutions like boosting the immune system with a simple cheap vitamin at higher doses. Unless you have liver cnacer or some organs where the vitamin C helps a lot.
But since we already have some reports from Korea and China on vitamin C, then we personally don't need to be concerned that much in terms of the CORONAVIRUS. More when this spreads and creates chaos that might impact us. Your family and friends will likely accept some help if they at least some higher doses initially, when they feel better then it's likely that they will continue with it. It happened with my environment the same way - they were all skeptical at first until they tried it out. Now some of my aunts have always a couple pounds available at home since they order in bulk.
< Cancer is complicated.
It works extremely well on the liver since liver-transplant patients were able to rejuvenate their liver completely via a daily dose of 20.000mg to 30.000mg. You can read accounts of MDs on the site doctoryourself.com. That is why it seems that liver cancer and vitamin C is a lucky connection. The terminal patient on whom it worked - I know that woman and the MD.
However I also witnessed attempts of using vitamin C infusions on lung cancer, prostate cancer and skin cancer. It did not have such an effect - one person just retained her hair and felt better during chemo. Liver seems to an organ where vitamin C megadose goes through, rejuvenating it and eliminating cancer. Maybe there are some organs as well, but lungs, skin and prostate are not some of them. In those cancers I would estimate that vit C just keeps down side-effects of chemo. If you want to go alternative there, then going carnivore and taking an amino-acid-suppressant and starving out cancer might be a good choice: SEE-oU8_NSU
Unfortunately cancer does not have such easy solutions like boosting the immune system with a simple cheap vitamin at higher doses. Unless you have liver cnacer or some organs where the vitamin C helps a lot.
But since we already have some reports from Korea and China on vitamin C, then we personally don't need to be concerned that much in terms of the CORONAVIRUS. More when this spreads and creates chaos that might impact us. Your family and friends will likely accept some help if they at least some higher doses initially, when they feel better then it's likely that they will continue with it. It happened with my environment the same way - they were all skeptical at first until they tried it out. Now some of my aunts have always a couple pounds available at home since they order in bulk.
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
Any thoughts on Vitamin C with GMS-Ribose? "enhances the absorption and uptake of Vitamin C. It uses‚ not one‚ but four separate pathways to speed the uptake and therefore increasing bio-availability."
https://www.pureformulas.com/vitality-c-200g-by-american-nutriceuticals.html
https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/podcast/digestion-podcasts/episode-271-full-transcript/
"Ben: I mean IV, it’s a drip, yeah, it’s a drip into your vein. And a lot of times it’s combined with other vitamins like vitamin B12 and stuff like that. So that’s one way you can get vitamin C but let’s talk about easier ways that getting hook up to a needle. You can use a bound source of vitamin C so I actually have a brand and I’ll link to this in the show notes it’s called Vitality C and the way that Vitality C works is the common pathway for vitamin C uptake is via both a glucose pathway as well as a sodium pathway so what they do is they bind this natural form of vitamin E (it’s a whole foods, vitamin C rather, whole foods vitamin C powder) and it’s bound to ribose which I’ve talked about before, I think we’ve talked about it last week and it’s also bound to sodium and so it doesn’t breakdown in the gut and it actually uses what’s the pentose phosphate pathway or the ppp to allow to vitamin C to get absorbed into the cell. So totally different absorption pathway than synthetic ascorbic acid and they also use sulfur in that particular supplement which allows the cell to become a little bit more permeable to the intake of the vitamin C. So that’s about the best vitamin C source I found it’s the one that Dr. David Minkoff who runs the Lifeworks Wellness and Anti-aging Center down in Florida, that’s one he recommends if you don’t access to like vitamin C IV so that’s really good. The other way that you can go is like with the whole foods powder source that’s typically like blended up fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts. There’s one called Super Berry that I like that’s really good but either Super Berry or this Vitality C stuff way way better than like a synthetic ascorbic acid, so that’s number 1, that’s my first kinda beef with this study is they’re using totally synthetic corn syrup derived ascorbic acid.
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Any thoughts on Vitamin C with GMS-Ribose? "enhances the absorption and uptake of Vitamin C. It uses‚ not one‚ but four separate pathways to speed the uptake and therefore increasing bio-availability."
https://www.pureformulas.com/vitality-c-200g-by-american-nutriceuticals.html
https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/podcast/digestion-podcasts/episode-271-full-transcript/
"Ben: I mean IV, it’s a drip, yeah, it’s a drip into your vein. And a lot of times it’s combined with other vitamins like vitamin B12 and stuff like that. So that’s one way you can get vitamin C but let’s talk about easier ways that getting hook up to a needle. You can use a bound source of vitamin C so I actually have a brand and I’ll link to this in the show notes it’s called Vitality C and the way that Vitality C works is the common pathway for vitamin C uptake is via both a glucose pathway as well as a sodium pathway so what they do is they bind this natural form of vitamin E (it’s a whole foods, vitamin C rather, whole foods vitamin C powder) and it’s bound to ribose which I’ve talked about before, I think we’ve talked about it last week and it’s also bound to sodium and so it doesn’t breakdown in the gut and it actually uses what’s the pentose phosphate pathway or the ppp to allow to vitamin C to get absorbed into the cell. So totally different absorption pathway than synthetic ascorbic acid and they also use sulfur in that particular supplement which allows the cell to become a little bit more permeable to the intake of the vitamin C. So that’s about the best vitamin C source I found it’s the one that Dr. David Minkoff who runs the Lifeworks Wellness and Anti-aging Center down in Florida, that’s one he recommends if you don’t access to like vitamin C IV so that’s really good. The other way that you can go is like with the whole foods powder source that’s typically like blended up fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts. There’s one called Super Berry that I like that’s really good but either Super Berry or this Vitality C stuff way way better than like a synthetic ascorbic acid, so that’s number 1, that’s my first kinda beef with this study is they’re using totally synthetic corn syrup derived ascorbic acid.
"
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
Good to know.
I am looking for a decent sunflower lecithin powder product to make liposomal vitamin C. Any recommendations? Is Now sunflower lecithin also sourced in China? If so are there any decent alternatives free of Chinese ingredients?
ScannerLIV said:
Good to know.
I am looking for a decent sunflower lecithin powder product to make liposomal vitamin C. Any recommendations? Is Now sunflower lecithin also sourced in China? If so are there any decent alternatives free of Chinese ingredients?
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
I don't think that various gimmicks are needed with vitamin C powder. There are decades of credible accounts and studies on l-ascorbic acid, the safety and application. In fact - dietary vitamin C bound to food is found to be a bit more problematic since above a certain dose, it behaves more like an oxalate, so getting huge doses of vit c with juice like kiwi, orange or acerola cherries may have to have other side-effects. Megadosing vit C with food is not advisable - I don't think that it works frankly. Fruit has sugar, fructose and other various ingredients as well as acids in it.
Pure natural vitamin C should be fine, but there is no need to enhance absorption with vitamin C. When having a cold you can feel quickly that it works. It accelerates healing massively as you can also proof to yourself next time you visit a dentist or have some kind of inflicted infection. It works on allergies if you have some and can test it out as well. I never had an issue with absorption - don't care if the natural one absorbs 30% better. The stuff costs a few dollars per pound.
And the data we have is on megadosing the pure compound, not any mixtures aside from buffered versions that work better on the minority of folk.
The only thing that I would shy away from is to take daily vitamin C always with food - it helps with the absorption of iron and if you take vit c with every bloody meal, then you may absorb way too much iron or even B12. I knew one such person and she had to stop taking vit c around meal time. But she really did it diligently 3 times a day. I personally don't take much vit c on a daily basis unless I feel weaker, I travel or the coronavirus/flu season abounds.
I don't think that various gimmicks are needed with vitamin C powder. There are decades of credible accounts and studies on l-ascorbic acid, the safety and application. In fact - dietary vitamin C bound to food is found to be a bit more problematic since above a certain dose, it behaves more like an oxalate, so getting huge doses of vit c with juice like kiwi, orange or acerola cherries may have to have other side-effects. Megadosing vit C with food is not advisable - I don't think that it works frankly. Fruit has sugar, fructose and other various ingredients as well as acids in it.
Pure natural vitamin C should be fine, but there is no need to enhance absorption with vitamin C. When having a cold you can feel quickly that it works. It accelerates healing massively as you can also proof to yourself next time you visit a dentist or have some kind of inflicted infection. It works on allergies if you have some and can test it out as well. I never had an issue with absorption - don't care if the natural one absorbs 30% better. The stuff costs a few dollars per pound.
And the data we have is on megadosing the pure compound, not any mixtures aside from buffered versions that work better on the minority of folk.
The only thing that I would shy away from is to take daily vitamin C always with food - it helps with the absorption of iron and if you take vit c with every bloody meal, then you may absorb way too much iron or even B12. I knew one such person and she had to stop taking vit c around meal time. But she really did it diligently 3 times a day. I personally don't take much vit c on a daily basis unless I feel weaker, I travel or the coronavirus/flu season abounds.
Meliorare93
Robin
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
A doctor who also recommends mega doses of vitamins when you get sick:
Dr Lynch Don't get sick recipe:
https://www.facebook.com/drbenjamin...g-off-listen-to-that-and-ma/2268747526702937/
Haven't tried it though...
A doctor who also recommends mega doses of vitamins when you get sick:
Dr Lynch Don't get sick recipe:
https://www.facebook.com/drbenjamin...g-off-listen-to-that-and-ma/2268747526702937/
Haven't tried it though...
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
I think that I mentioned all of these immune boosters in the original coronavirus thread, except for rosemary, but this article provides a decent overview.
https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/natural-health-herbs/2020/03/03/id/956674/
I think that I mentioned all of these immune boosters in the original coronavirus thread, except for rosemary, but this article provides a decent overview.
https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/natural-health-herbs/2020/03/03/id/956674/
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu
^
Garlic has always been a go-to of mine, particularly if a sore throat is involved. Munching down on a raw garlic clove isn’t pleasant but I’ve cleared up colds incredibly quickly with it.
Not to mention garlic will grow and spread without any effort on your part beyond the initial planting.
^
Garlic has always been a go-to of mine, particularly if a sore throat is involved. Munching down on a raw garlic clove isn’t pleasant but I’ve cleared up colds incredibly quickly with it.
Not to mention garlic will grow and spread without any effort on your part beyond the initial planting.
Meliorare93
Robin
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
Biohackers Flu Guide
https://landing.biohackingbook.com/fluguide
Biohackers Flu Guide
https://landing.biohackingbook.com/fluguide
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
There is a great deal of good general information in there for the novice. It also cites a study that confirms that Vitamin C helps to prevent influenza (H1N1)-induced pneumonia, which is the killer component to the coronavirus.
Meliorare93 said:
There is a great deal of good general information in there for the novice. It also cites a study that confirms that Vitamin C helps to prevent influenza (H1N1)-induced pneumonia, which is the killer component to the coronavirus.
TravelingBodybuilder
Robin
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
good post Simeon_Strangelight. I myself plan to purchase vitamin c injectable very soon. As you mentioned, studies show its much more absorbed by the body than taking vitamin c powder straight. I think thats why some people dont have good experiences with vitamin c, because their body doesnt absorb such high amounts at once so then they bad mouth it... (everyone asorbs things differently)
I dont plan to do it IV, but plan to do subq and IM injections(very easy to do. With an insulin syringe its painless, just make sure to always use a fresh needle. Some people dont understand this- iv been to doctors where they would reuse the needle on me more than once and it would be painful because of this... yes even with insulin needles only piece your skin once with the needle or it will become painful)
The only benefit that i can see with IV is it will get into your system the fastest, almost instantly, when IM will get into your system within an hour. And subq is slowly released into your body if my memory serves me right. But all 3 methods will be adsorbed much better than taking it orally as studies show...
So mind as well go the injection route if you can get your hands on Vitamin C injectable since studies show its more asorbed than oral route... Also you wont have to deal with stomach pains or pissing out of your ass if your body doesnt handle high vitamin c well.
good post Simeon_Strangelight. I myself plan to purchase vitamin c injectable very soon. As you mentioned, studies show its much more absorbed by the body than taking vitamin c powder straight. I think thats why some people dont have good experiences with vitamin c, because their body doesnt absorb such high amounts at once so then they bad mouth it... (everyone asorbs things differently)
I dont plan to do it IV, but plan to do subq and IM injections(very easy to do. With an insulin syringe its painless, just make sure to always use a fresh needle. Some people dont understand this- iv been to doctors where they would reuse the needle on me more than once and it would be painful because of this... yes even with insulin needles only piece your skin once with the needle or it will become painful)
The only benefit that i can see with IV is it will get into your system the fastest, almost instantly, when IM will get into your system within an hour. And subq is slowly released into your body if my memory serves me right. But all 3 methods will be adsorbed much better than taking it orally as studies show...
So mind as well go the injection route if you can get your hands on Vitamin C injectable since studies show its more asorbed than oral route... Also you wont have to deal with stomach pains or pissing out of your ass if your body doesnt handle high vitamin c well.
ScannerLIV
Woodpecker
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
And where to buy injectable vit c?
And where to buy injectable vit c?