Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus

Oz.

Pelican
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

When you say vitamin C powder do you mean Pure Ascorbic Acid? If so what brands do you recommend? Most highly rated vitamin C powders are derived from fermented corn glucose, which, usually comes from China.
 
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

Yes - pure ascorbic acid.

There are plenty of local producers.

Swanson and Now Foods have their own higher than industry standards, but every version will work - even the one used for animals works. By the way - cows and chicken are fed vitamin C - at least many farmers do it. The doses are not even small, but humans - they don't care.

I personally use German or local European products. The ones industrially fermented have been found to be almost as effective as naturally produced. There are some studies which say that fully natural vitamin C works 20-50% better, but you have to realize that this necessitates huge amounts of plants processed, generally those products cost 1000% more. I wouldn't even support it on the grounds of having to use thousands of oranges for my powder that works just as well as deriving it from corn starch. Modern chemical methods are good enough to produce almost 100% pure l-ascorbic acid with very few trace elements left.

As for pills - you have to watch out for producers. I tested out a few and they were disastrous - GNC puts additives in it which block the absorption, others add aspartame. MOst big supplement companies are owned by big pharma. Now Foods and Swanson are family businesses. I would rather trust a producer which makes vitamin c powder for animals than I would take the ones made by big supplement companies like GNC.

So megadosing with pills will be tricky because there are other useless ingredients added to it. I tested it out with some products and it gave me only bloating.

But if you want to boost and protect, then taking 5 pills a 1000mg should do the trick - quite a few companies are good enough even if most are smaller or higher-end.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
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RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

Oz. said:
When you say vitamin C powder do you mean Pure Ascorbic Acid? If so what brands do you recommend? Most highly rated vitamin C powders are derived from fermented corn glucose, which, usually comes from China.

Unless a health professional recommends otherwise, I always go with NOW Brand for most supplements. They have a great reputation for quality and a good price point. A health professional I met speaks very highly of the company. I also believe that NOW Brand was one of the two brands that Simeon previously recommended. [Edit: I see that Simeon posted before me by a few minutes and also recommends NOW Brand.]

I ordered a pound of Vitamin C yesterday. NOW makes two types: Vitamin C crystals and buffered powder. I use the crystals.

The bioavailability of different forms of Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) does not vary too much, although I assume that the body absorbs crystals and powders far quicker. Here is a great article from the The Linus Pauling Institute, Micronutrient Information Center, at Oregon State University:

https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/vitamin-C/supplemental-forms

I found and read the article cited above before I placed my order yesterday.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
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RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

I am a long-time alternative medicine, holistic health user. I concur with everything that Simeon stated, although I was surprised about using Vitamin C every ten minutes. I will try that the next time that I get a tickle in the throat.

Here are some additional helpful articles about Vitamin C use:

1) At first glance, this 63-page article appears overwhelming, but it is actually a slide-show presentation that you can breeze through in just a few minutes. It documents the history of the use of Vitamin C, complete with citations to medical articles and some web links:

Vitamin C has no known toxic dosage in patients without preexisting kidney disease.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/VC.NZ.Sept.2010.pdf


2) Here is an article on your legal right to demand IV Vitamin C treatments at the hospital, written by a doctor (MD) and JD (lawyer):

Thomas Edward Levy, M.D., J.D. is a graduate of the Tulane University School of Medicine and the University of Denver College of Law. He board certified in Internal Medicine and is also a Fellow of the American College of Cardiology. He was admitted to the Colorado Bar in 1998 and the District of Columbia Bar in 1999. Dr. Levy is on the Editorial Board of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n26.shtml


3) Here is a short article about the effectiveness of IV Vitamin C treatments and your legal rights at the hospital:

The rights of the patient override the rules of any institution.

Patients with acute viral infections show a depletion of vitamin C and increasing free radicals and cellular dysfunction. Such patients should be treated with vitamin C, oral or IV, for neutralizing free radicals throughout the body and inside cells, maintaining physiological functions, and enhancing natural healing. If patients progress to sepsis, vitamin C should be added intravenously as soon as possible along with conventional therapy for sepsis.

http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml


4) A great comprehensive article about "The Riordan IVC Protocol for Adjunctive Cancer Care," which is very similar to the IV protocol for most other disease states:

http://www.doctoryourself.com/RiordanIVC.pdf
 

ScannerLIV

Woodpecker
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

Now brand Vitamin C is derived from China sources.

I don't know of any made in American Vitamin C brand.
 
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

Even if they derive it from there, they are doing additional testing and I would not be concerned about it.

They did tests on vitamin c powder as a basis for potential viral or bacterial transmission and the results were such that no virus or bacteria survives in that kind of environment.

Here a few statements by Chinese and South Korean MDs as it pertains to the coronavirus treatments:

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Mar 1, 2020

News Media Attacks Vitamin C Treatment of COVID-19 Coronavirus
Yet Ascorbate is a Proven, Powerful Antiviral
by Andrew W. Saul, Editor-in-Chief
(OMNS Mar 1, 2020) First of all, the naysayers are too late. Vitamin C is already being used to prevent and treat COVID-19 in China and in Korea. And it is working.

Here is a verified official statement from China's Xi'an Jiaotong University Second Hospital:

"On the afternoon of February 20, 2020, another 4 patients with severe coronavirus pneumonia recovered from the C10 West Ward of Tongji Hospital. In the past 8 patients have been discharged from hospital. . . [H]igh-dose vitamin C achieved good results in clinical applications. We believe that for patients with severe neonatal pneumonia, and for critically ill patients, vitamin C treatment should be initiated as soon as possible after admission. Numerous studies have shown that the dose of vitamin C has a lot to do with the effect of treatment. High-dose vitamin C can not only improve antiviral levels, but more importantly, can prevent and treat acute lung injury (ALI) and acute respiratory distress (ARDS)."

Here is a report from Korea:

"At my hospital in Daegu, South Korea, all inpatients and all staff members have been using vitamin C orally since last week. Some people this week had a mild fever, headaches and coughs, and those who had symptoms got 30,000 mg intravenous vitamin C. Some people got better after about two days, and most had symptoms go away after one injection." (Hyoungjoo Shin, M.D.)


There are at least three high-dose intravenous vitamin C studies underway in China. Literally by the truckload, tons of vitamin C has been sent into Wuhan.

Here is a report from a physician in China:

"We need to broadcast a message worldwide very quickly: Vitamin C (small or large dose) does no harm to people and is the one of the few, if not the only, agent that has a chance to prevent us from getting, and can treat, COVID-19 infection. When can we, medical doctors and scientists, put patients' lives first?" (Richard Z. Cheng, MD, PhD, International Vitamin C China Epidemic Medical Support Team Leader)


News media attacks on vitamin C are centered on false allegations of dangers with megadoses. This tactic lets the media ignore the truth that even LOW doses of vitamin C reduce symptoms and death rates. Do not let the media spin this issue. Advocates of vitamin C are medical doctors, not spin doctors. They are experienced, credentialed clinicians who have read the science, a small sample of which follows:

Even small supplemental amounts of vitamin C can keep severely ill patients from dying.
[Hunt C et al. Int J Vitam Nutr Res 1994;64:212-19.]

Infants with viral pneumonia treated with vitamin C had reduced mortality.
[Ren Shiguang et al. Hebei Medicine 1978,4:1-3]

Moderate doses of vitamin C shortened ICU stay by 97% in a subgroup of 1,766 patients
[Hemilä H, Chalker E. Nutrients. 2019 Mar 27;11:4.]

200 mg of vitamin C reduced duration of severe pneumonia in children. Oxygen saturation was improved in less than one day.
[Khan IM et al. J Rawalpindi Med Coll (JRMC); 2014;18(1):55-57]

The results are certainly better than the ones obtained by non-effective antibiotics and AIDs meds.

And they certainly used made-in-China products there.
 

Captain Gh

Ostrich
Atheist
Gold Member
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

Tail Gunner said:
I am a long-time alternative medicine, holistic health user. I concur with everything that Simeon stated, although I was surprised about using Vitamin C every ten minutes. I will try that the next time that I get a tickle in the throat.

Here are some additional helpful articles about Vitamin C use:

1) At first glance, this 63-page article appears overwhelming, but it is actually a slide-show presentation that you can breeze through in just a few minutes. It documents the history of the use of Vitamin C, complete with citations to medical articles and some web links:

Vitamin C has no known toxic dosage in patients without preexisting kidney disease.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/VC.NZ.Sept.2010.pdf


2) Here is an article on your legal right to demand IV Vitamin C treatments at the hospital, written by a doctor (MD) and JD (lawyer):

Thomas Edward Levy, M.D., J.D. is a graduate of the Tulane University School of Medicine and the University of Denver College of Law. He board certified in Internal Medicine and is also a Fellow of the American College of Cardiology. He was admitted to the Colorado Bar in 1998 and the District of Columbia Bar in 1999. Dr. Levy is on the Editorial Board of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n26.shtml


3) Here is a short article about the effectiveness of IV Vitamin C treatments and your legal rights at the hospital:

The rights of the patient override the rules of any institution.

Patients with acute viral infections show a depletion of vitamin C and increasing free radicals and cellular dysfunction. Such patients should be treated with vitamin C, oral or IV, for neutralizing free radicals throughout the body and inside cells, maintaining physiological functions, and enhancing natural healing. If patients progress to sepsis, vitamin C should be added intravenously as soon as possible along with conventional therapy for sepsis.

http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml


4) A great comprehensive article about "The Riordan IVC Protocol for Adjunctive Cancer Care," which is very similar to the IV protocol for most other disease states:

http://www.doctoryourself.com/RiordanIVC.pdf

Holy S**t!!! Big thanks for this one!!! I'm sure to use this one if (when) I need to go to the hospital!! I remember reading in one of Simeon's source how 1 hospital literally refused to continue the IV treatment which were working to go back to chemo I believe (not sure) which made him kick the bucket sooner then expected.
 
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< Cancer is complicated.

It works extremely well on the liver since liver-transplant patients were able to rejuvenate their liver completely via a daily dose of 20.000mg to 30.000mg. You can read accounts of MDs on the site doctoryourself.com. That is why it seems that liver cancer and vitamin C is a lucky connection. The terminal patient on whom it worked - I know that woman and the MD.

However I also witnessed attempts of using vitamin C infusions on lung cancer, prostate cancer and skin cancer. It did not have such an effect - one person just retained her hair and felt better during chemo. Liver seems to an organ where vitamin C megadose goes through, rejuvenating it and eliminating cancer. Maybe there are some organs as well, but lungs, skin and prostate are not some of them. In those cancers I would estimate that vit C just keeps down side-effects of chemo. If you want to go alternative there, then going carnivore and taking an amino-acid-suppressant and starving out cancer might be a good choice: SEE-oU8_NSU

Unfortunately cancer does not have such easy solutions like boosting the immune system with a simple cheap vitamin at higher doses. Unless you have liver cnacer or some organs where the vitamin C helps a lot.

But since we already have some reports from Korea and China on vitamin C, then we personally don't need to be concerned that much in terms of the CORONAVIRUS. More when this spreads and creates chaos that might impact us. Your family and friends will likely accept some help if they at least some higher doses initially, when they feel better then it's likely that they will continue with it. It happened with my environment the same way - they were all skeptical at first until they tried it out. Now some of my aunts have always a couple pounds available at home since they order in bulk.
 

The Wire

Kingfisher
Gold Member
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

Any thoughts on Vitamin C with GMS-Ribose? "enhances the absorption and uptake of Vitamin C. It uses‚ not one‚ but four separate pathways to speed the uptake and therefore increasing bio-availability."

https://www.pureformulas.com/vitality-c-200g-by-american-nutriceuticals.html

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/podcast/digestion-podcasts/episode-271-full-transcript/


"Ben: I mean IV, it’s a drip, yeah, it’s a drip into your vein. And a lot of times it’s combined with other vitamins like vitamin B12 and stuff like that. So that’s one way you can get vitamin C but let’s talk about easier ways that getting hook up to a needle. You can use a bound source of vitamin C so I actually have a brand and I’ll link to this in the show notes it’s called Vitality C and the way that Vitality C works is the common pathway for vitamin C uptake is via both a glucose pathway as well as a sodium pathway so what they do is they bind this natural form of vitamin E (it’s a whole foods, vitamin C rather, whole foods vitamin C powder) and it’s bound to ribose which I’ve talked about before, I think we’ve talked about it last week and it’s also bound to sodium and so it doesn’t breakdown in the gut and it actually uses what’s the pentose phosphate pathway or the ppp to allow to vitamin C to get absorbed into the cell. So totally different absorption pathway than synthetic ascorbic acid and they also use sulfur in that particular supplement which allows the cell to become a little bit more permeable to the intake of the vitamin C. So that’s about the best vitamin C source I found it’s the one that Dr. David Minkoff who runs the Lifeworks Wellness and Anti-aging Center down in Florida, that’s one he recommends if you don’t access to like vitamin C IV so that’s really good. The other way that you can go is like with the whole foods powder source that’s typically like blended up fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts. There’s one called Super Berry that I like that’s really good but either Super Berry or this Vitality C stuff way way better than like a synthetic ascorbic acid, so that’s number 1, that’s my first kinda beef with this study is they’re using totally synthetic corn syrup derived ascorbic acid.
"
 

Nineteen84

Ostrich
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RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

ScannerLIV said:
Now brand Vitamin C is derived from China sources.

I don't know of any made in American Vitamin C brand.


Good to know.

I am looking for a decent sunflower lecithin powder product to make liposomal vitamin C. Any recommendations? Is Now sunflower lecithin also sourced in China? If so are there any decent alternatives free of Chinese ingredients?
 
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

I don't think that various gimmicks are needed with vitamin C powder. There are decades of credible accounts and studies on l-ascorbic acid, the safety and application. In fact - dietary vitamin C bound to food is found to be a bit more problematic since above a certain dose, it behaves more like an oxalate, so getting huge doses of vit c with juice like kiwi, orange or acerola cherries may have to have other side-effects. Megadosing vit C with food is not advisable - I don't think that it works frankly. Fruit has sugar, fructose and other various ingredients as well as acids in it.

Pure natural vitamin C should be fine, but there is no need to enhance absorption with vitamin C. When having a cold you can feel quickly that it works. It accelerates healing massively as you can also proof to yourself next time you visit a dentist or have some kind of inflicted infection. It works on allergies if you have some and can test it out as well. I never had an issue with absorption - don't care if the natural one absorbs 30% better. The stuff costs a few dollars per pound.

And the data we have is on megadosing the pure compound, not any mixtures aside from buffered versions that work better on the minority of folk.

The only thing that I would shy away from is to take daily vitamin C always with food - it helps with the absorption of iron and if you take vit c with every bloody meal, then you may absorb way too much iron or even B12. I knew one such person and she had to stop taking vit c around meal time. But she really did it diligently 3 times a day. I personally don't take much vit c on a daily basis unless I feel weaker, I travel or the coronavirus/flu season abounds.
 
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A doctor who also recommends mega doses of vitamins when you get sick:

Dr Lynch Don't get sick recipe:
https://www.facebook.com/drbenjamin...g-off-listen-to-that-and-ma/2268747526702937/

1. First sign of feeling 'off' - listen to that and make immediate changes to your day.

2. Take 50,000 IU to 100,000 IU of Vitamin A

I use this:
https://www.seekinghealth.com/vitamin-a…

3. Take 50,000 IU of Vitamin D3 or D3 with K2

I use this as I already have K2 in my multivitamin: https://www.seekinghealth.com/optimal-v…

Here is D3 and K2 liquid:
https://www.seekinghealth.com/optimal-v…

4. Add in probiotics and prebiotics if you have them. I use ProBiota Immune (prebiotics) and ProBiota HistaminX (probiotics)

ProBiota Immune: https://www.seekinghealth.com/probiota-…

ProBiota HistaminX:
https://www.seekinghealth.com/probiota-…

5. FAST - do not eat.

6. HYDRATE - filtered water - drink a tall glass.

7. SLEEP - immediately go to bed. Tell your boss or whomever and ask them - "Hey - I can go home right now and be strong the next day - or I can continue to work and be out sick for a week. What's your choice?"

8. About 5 hours later, if still feeling a bit 'off', repeat the vitamins again. Prebiotics and probiotics no need.

I've been doing this for myself and my family for YEARS - and it helps nip the infection really fast about 80% of the time.

Haven't tried it though...
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

I think that I mentioned all of these immune boosters in the original coronavirus thread, except for rosemary, but this article provides a decent overview.

Herbs That Fight Viruses
(Francesco Alessi/Dreamstime.com)
By Lynn Allison | Tuesday, 03 March 2020 09:50 AM

Herbal healing has been around for centuries and even in today's high-tech society, it has an important role in keeping us disease-free and healthy. A study published in the Journal of Functional Foods says that elderberry extract is an effective way to block viruses from entering, or even attaching to, healthy cells. Researchers applied a serum made from elderberries directly onto cells before, during, and even after they had been infected with the influenza virus.

"We found that the serum had a direct antiviral effect against the flu virus," said lead researcher Dr. Golnoosh Torabian. Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum, MD., author of "From Fatigued to Fantastic," tells Newsmax that he is "concerned" about the possible spread of the coronavirus and says, according to research by the National Institutes of Health, elderberry extract is also effective in inhibiting this particular novel virus.

"The form I would recommend is called Virapro," he says. "It not only contains elderberry, but also zinc, vitamins C and D, and retinol, which are critical for immunity."

Dr. Ellen Kamhi, Ph.D., author of "The Natural Medicine Chest," says it's important to shore up our immune systems whenever there is a threat of a viral invasion.

"The best approach is to do all you can do to help support the immune system since it controls our ability to fend off illness, whether it be a deadly disease, or even the common cold," she tells Newsmax. Eat a healthy diet and reduce stress, while enlisting herbs as part of your anti-germ warfare, she says. "Besides elderberry, technically called Sambucus nigra, which has been proven not only to prevent the flu but to reduce its symptoms, there is an arsenal of herbs to help you stay well."

Astragalus. One study by the National Cancer Institute demonstrated astragalus' ability to strengthen the body's immune response, especially against viral infections.

Echinacea. This well-respected and researched herb is an immune stimulant that increases the activity of white blood cells.

Garlic. Garlic has been used for centuries as food and as medicine, according to Healthline. It enhances the immune system by boosting the disease-fighting response of white blood cells thanks to its sulfur compounds. Studies show that garlic not only reduces the length and symptoms of illness, it can also prevent you from getting sick in the first place. One study showed that the group who took garlic regularly had a 63% lower risk of getting a cold, and their colds were 70% shorter. Garlic supplements, such as Aged Garlic Extract or AGE, retain the medicinal benefits of raw or cooked garlic against colds and flu.

Oil of Oregano. Chock-full of disease-fighting vitamins and minerals, this herbal blend contains many active chemicals that provide beneficial support to our bodies, says Kamhi. "It is exceptional in its ability to destroy several different kinds of microorganisms including bacteria, fungus, virus and parasites," she says.

Rosemary. This herb has been used as an anti-infective agent since ancient times. Kamhi reveals that it was burned in hospitals and sick rooms to purify the air and fight infections. "It was also used in courts to keep the judge and jurors from contracting plagues and fevers that the prisoner's brought up from the dungeons," she says.

https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/natural-health-herbs/2020/03/03/id/956674/
 

Bartimaeus Rex

Woodpecker
Gold Member
RE: Health remedies to Coronavirus / flu

^

Garlic has always been a go-to of mine, particularly if a sore throat is involved. Munching down on a raw garlic clove isn’t pleasant but I’ve cleared up colds incredibly quickly with it.

Not to mention garlic will grow and spread without any effort on your part beyond the initial planting.
 

fiasco360

Kingfisher
Orthodox
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

Salinger said:
There's like a million different masks out there. Does someone have a link to the mask they bought?

Not many masks available right now.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
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RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

Meliorare93 said:

There is a great deal of good general information in there for the novice. It also cites a study that confirms that Vitamin C helps to prevent influenza (H1N1)-induced pneumonia, which is the killer component to the coronavirus.

In stressed mice, megadosing vitamin C helped to prevent from influenza (H1N1)-induced pneumonia
 
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

good post Simeon_Strangelight. I myself plan to purchase vitamin c injectable very soon. As you mentioned, studies show its much more absorbed by the body than taking vitamin c powder straight. I think thats why some people dont have good experiences with vitamin c, because their body doesnt absorb such high amounts at once so then they bad mouth it... (everyone asorbs things differently)

I dont plan to do it IV, but plan to do subq and IM injections(very easy to do. With an insulin syringe its painless, just make sure to always use a fresh needle. Some people dont understand this- iv been to doctors where they would reuse the needle on me more than once and it would be painful because of this... yes even with insulin needles only piece your skin once with the needle or it will become painful)

The only benefit that i can see with IV is it will get into your system the fastest, almost instantly, when IM will get into your system within an hour. And subq is slowly released into your body if my memory serves me right. But all 3 methods will be adsorbed much better than taking it orally as studies show...

So mind as well go the injection route if you can get your hands on Vitamin C injectable since studies show its more asorbed than oral route... Also you wont have to deal with stomach pains or pissing out of your ass if your body doesnt handle high vitamin c well.
 
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