Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus

[Tail Gunner]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

good post Simeon_Strangelight. I myself plan to purchase vitamin c injectable very soon. As you mentioned, studies show its much more absorbed by the body than taking vitamin c powder straight. I think thats why some people dont have good experiences with vitamin c, because their body doesnt absorb such high amounts at once so then they bad mouth it... (everyone asorbs things differently)

I dont plan to do it IV, but plan to do subq and IM injections(very easy to do. With an insulin syringe its painless, just make sure to always use a fresh needle. Some people dont understand this- iv been to doctors where they would reuse the needle on me more than once and it would be painful because of this... yes even with insulin needles only piece your skin once with the needle or it will become painful)

The only benefit that i can see with IV is it will get into your system the fastest, almost instantly, when IM will get into your system within an hour. And subq is slowly released into your body if my memory serves me right. But all 3 methods will be adsorbed much better than taking it orally as studies show...

So mind as well go the injection route if you can get your hands on Vitamin C injectable since studies show its more asorbed than oral route... Also you wont have to deal with stomach pains or pissing out of your ass if your body doesnt handle high vitamin c well.

I have never heard about Vitamin C by injection. I do see it listed on Amazon for veterinary purposes. Is this available from alternative health practitioners in the U.S. -- or are you located somewhere else?

BTW: I priced IV Vitamin C treatments earlier this week. They are fairly expensive at $150 to $250 per treatment for about 25,000 mg. I will stick with Vitamin C crystals/powder and only resort to IV if things get bad when money is irrelevant (because you should get an IV every day for about a week if you get the coronavirus). I did see a discounted package at one place -- five treatments for about $600.

 

[TravelingBodybuilder]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

Yea those prices are a rip off considering vitamin c powder cost pennies for that dosage. Also, those veterinary products are to small of a dosage. The company i am looking at has it 5,000 mg/ml. for a 10 ml vial for $60 in the U.S. from a reputable company.

I just need to speak to a doctor in my country to see if i can get a doctor note to order it in case customs in my country give me trouble... Then i can legally import it.(Personal use)

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

good post Simeon_Strangelight. I myself plan to purchase vitamin c injectable very soon. As you mentioned, studies show its much more absorbed by the body than taking vitamin c powder straight. I think thats why some people dont have good experiences with vitamin c, because their body doesnt absorb such high amounts at once so then they bad mouth it... (everyone asorbs things differently)

I dont plan to do it IV, but plan to do subq and IM injections(very easy to do. With an insulin syringe its painless, just make sure to always use a fresh needle. Some people dont understand this- iv been to doctors where they would reuse the needle on me more than once and it would be painful because of this... yes even with insulin needles only piece your skin once with the needle or it will become painful)

The only benefit that i can see with IV is it will get into your system the fastest, almost instantly, when IM will get into your system within an hour. And subq is slowly released into your body if my memory serves me right. But all 3 methods will be adsorbed much better than taking it orally as studies show...

So mind as well go the injection route if you can get your hands on Vitamin C injectable since studies show its more asorbed than oral route... Also you wont have to deal with stomach pains or pissing out of your ass if your body doesnt handle high vitamin c well.

Yeah - one MD I talked to did it by IM injections in the butt. It burns a little if you have a higher dose, so most don't do it that way. IV also has the advantage of doing it over a bit longer period.

Sure - injecting yourself in the muscle isn't so bad, but the spread is different. I don't mind taking it orally. Most people I know who had issues taking it orally either overdid it (almost all women taking way too much too fast when being 100 pounds) or they required rather the sodium ascorbate liquid version since they are the minority who do better with that version than l-ascorbic acid.

The cost per treatment likely includes the personnel cost and you staying there for a while since they normally drip it into you slowly. The product itself is cheap - the pricing is basically for the service.

 

[TravelingBodybuilder]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

Yea that is true. For Treatment it does seem the IV route would be more optimal to keep vitamin c going into your system (not released all at once) at a constant rate 24/7 if one has access to a doctor that perform this. Makes sense..

Ill probably stick to IM vitamin c injections and oral vitamin C (mix of both) to keep my immune system strength up on the mean time...(5,000 mg ish ED)

(and save the high dosages of vitamin C until/if i get coronavirus symptoms.. 100,000 mg ish vitamin c spread out the day...)

 

[Tail Gunner]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

The company i am looking at has it 5,000 mg/ml. for a 10 ml vial for $60 in the U.S. from a reputable company.

OK, so that is even more expensive than an IV treatment. If I understand you correctly, it costs you $300 for 25,000 mg ($60 x 5 = 25,000 mg) -- versus $150 to $250 for a 25,000 mg IV. I suppose the positive is not needing to leave the house during a pandemic.

Yes, I suspect most of the cost of the IV is related to personnel (the IV slow-drip process takes about an hour), which makes me wonder why you could not simply substitute 50,000 mg instead of 25,000 for a nominal cost. They would probably worry about straying from protocol, even though Vitamin C therapy is safe. I did the process once during a half-price promotional. It is similar to a saline drip process.

 

[Mountaineer]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

What influence vitamin C has on the kidneys when taking higher doses? Can there be side effects for these organs?

 

[TravelingBodybuilder]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

The company i am looking at has it 5,000 mg/ml. for a 10 ml vial for $60 in the U.S. from a reputable company.

OK, so that is even more expensive than an IV treatment. If I understand you correctly, it costs you $300 for 25,000 mg ($60 x 5 = 25,000 mg) -- versus $150 to $250 for a 25,000 mg IV. I suppose the positive is not needing to leave the house during a pandemic.

Yes, I suspect most of the cost of the IV is related to personnel (the IV slow-drip process takes about an hour), which makes me wonder why you could not simply substitute 50,000 mg instead of 25,000 for a nominal cost. They would probably worry about straying from protocol, even though Vitamin C therapy is safe. I did the process once during a half-price promotional. It is similar to a saline drip process.

It would be 50,000 mg of vitamin C for $60. Since it is a 10ml Vial dosed to 5,000 mg/ml. so 10 ml total. 5,000 mg * 10 ml total vial size= 50,000 mg total in the vial.

so it would cost me $120 per day of treatment at 100,000 everyday if sick.

but I plan to just inject myself with 1/2 cc - 1 cc (2,500 mg - 5000 mg per day ) . so would only cost me $3-$6 per day for maintenance. I will take the rest of my dosage in powder form...

But if i start to have a sore throat or start coughing etc or a fever. I will bump the dosage and try to prevent things from getting worse.

I decided on the injection route because of the studies that support it being absorbed better.
However, there are also people that had success with only taking oral vitamin C. So there is nothing wrong with just sticking to powder orally as it had worked for others...

But just me personally ill feel better with both options available to me.

 

[Mr. Wolf]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

I really don't see how practical or effective an N95 is for a regular person to wear out in the public for long periods of time.

Yes, I think the key would be limiting the amount of time spent out in public. Use it for the half hour you go shopping and thats it.

Limited N95 reuse is acceptable according to the CDC
(https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hcwcontrols/recommendedguidanceextuse.html)

"The most significant risk is of contact transmission from touching the surface of the contaminated respirator"
Frequent hand washing and washing hands after taking off the mask could mitigate that risk.

More info: https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/covid-19/controlprevention.html

N95 reuse is OK, so long as you let it sit for 9 or 10 days to dry out, and to let any virus on it die. That means you'll need 9 or 10 masks to use one per day on a rotating basis. Unless you already have them, you're pretty much out of luck.

For stockpiling, you should also include a big bottle of generic tylenol (Acetaminophen) for fever control, and if you can still find a bottle of Fish Mox (500mg Amoxicillin, the pills are identical to those for humans) at a pet supply store you will definitely want that in case you develop a bacterial infection secondary to the viral infection.

If you ever thought it would be fun to stay home and do whatever you want, instead of going out, you may get the chance real soon.

Peak Prosperity on YouTube has the best daily update, it's awesome as the definitive source for timely info:

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

What influence vitamin C has on the kidneys when taking higher doses? Can there be side effects for these organs?

No negative effects shown whatsoever despite massive propaganda.

With supplements you have to watch out for toxic ingredients by many producers.
Then iron - you can kill yourself with iron at doses of 600mg daily. I was witness to an MD prescribing my cousin 200mg/day during pregnancy - 1/3 of the lethal dose. I told her that she can take vit c next to her meal and have easily much higher absorption. Orthomolecular MDs prescribe very little iron to patients - at best 30mg.

That is also a side-effect - if you take vit c with every meal, then your body will absorbs way too much iron and B12. But you would have to take 1000mg+ every day and most meals over months and years.

There is a slight reaction of the immune system if you got used to taking it for months and years every day and then cut it out. I haven't experienced it but there are studies that say that you are a bit weaker for 3-5 days when you went down from 5000mg down to zero. But I don't take it daily that way and most people don't. I take it only when I feel a bit weaker, travel or it's flu season. Sometimes when I work out it helps.

There are no known issues with organs - to the contrary - vitamin C helps regenerate the liver - even one ready for a transplant. It takes 20000mg to 30.000mg daily for a few weeks. It also works well on liver cancer.

As for kidneys:

Early successful management of infectious disease greatly reduces the likelihood of renal failure. Saturation with vitamin C is very effective, broad-spectrum treatment for infectious diseases (Klenner, Stone, Pauling. Cathcart). Vitamin C does not cause kidney problems; it prevents them. For example, vitamin C stops the formation or oxalate stones, and actually dissolves phosphate and struvite kidney stones (see below). If kidney failure is suspected, see your doctor early in the game, and insist that vitamin C therapy is employed. Even conventional food-groups nutrition texts (correctly) mention the need for supplemental vitamin C and the B-complex for kidney tissue healing. Just up the doses if you want best results.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/kidney2.html

Besides - most guys will be taking passing high doses. Compared to side-effect prone meds like antibiotics or AIDS meds, then these "side-effects" are ridiculous. It's exceedingly safe - and it helps that vitamin C is a nutrient that gets absorbed - what is not needed is flushed out naturally.

Even natural herbs have way more side-effects. High-dosage nutrients are the ideal healers.

 

[Nineteen84]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

Not even considering this but saw it elsewhere and I always admire people's ingenuity:

An easy to build ventilator from 2007:

The Pandemic Ventilator

Many of us modify, hack, re-purpose, and DIY to save money, build something unique, create art, or show the world that there is a better way to use some device. And sometimes, just because it's cool. This is something different. It is a ventilator, and ventilators are meant to save lives. This project is called the Pandemic Ventilator, because it is meant to be used as a ventilator of last resort during a possible avian (bird) flu pandemic.

Many health authorities are preparing for the possibility of a flu pandemic in the next few years.
If a pandemic occurs that is related to the type of virus that is currently spreading in birds, they fear that it may be as bad or possibly worse than the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. It is expected that the number of people that require treatment with ventilators may be much greater than the current number of ventilators in existence. If a pandemic were to strike, the hospitals could not just go out and buy all the ventilators they need, because there would not be enough parts or manufacturing capability. Many governments already have plans for triage and rationing programs that will determine who gets access to the limited number of ventilators and who will be left to die. When I first heard about this, I thought, "This is not good enough, if someone I know or love needs a ventilator, I would get one, I would build one myself if I had to". Thus the idea was born.

https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/

From the comments section:

gormly
12 years ago on Introduction

>>"Most authorities believe that a flu pandemic will strike the world within the next few years. " No offense meant but I do not believe Instructables is here to spread falsehoods or to scare people. "Most" implies the majority and the majority would include the US, UK and other World Health Organizations. Since none have officially come out and said they "believe that a flu pandemic will strike the world within the next few years" then by definition you are spreading unproven and unfounded falsehoods. In my eyes, thats not cool. Not here anyway. You can go somewhere else to spread that.. say like the ATS forums. FYI: The amount of people who died last year from falls from a 3 foot ladder far outweigh the number dead from any "bird" flu. I like your instructable, it's creative, but its premise is .. seriously flawed.
NathanC193
NathanC193

Reply 20 hours ago

Well, this comment didn't age too well

https://panvent.blogspot.com/


The real deal costs anywhere up to $25k so interesting to see people doing things like this.

 

[M3B]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

I’ve been told that the body can only absorb 300mg at a time. So how is taking 500-1000mg every 10 mins helpful?

 

[Tail Gunner]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

I’ve been told that the body can only absorb 300mg at a time. So how is taking 500-1000mg every 10 mins helpful?

The obvious conclusion is that what you were told is wrong. While this excerpt answers your question, I highly recommend reading the entire article.

Dr. Robert Cathcart advocated treating influenza with up to 150,000 milligrams of vitamin C daily, often intravenously. You and I can, to some extent, simulate a 24 hour IV of vitamin C by taking it by mouth very, very often. When I had pneumonia, it took 2,000 mg of vitamin C every six minutes, by the clock, to get me to saturation. My oral daily dose was over 100,000 mg. Fever, cough and other symptoms were reduced in hours; complete recovery took just a few days. That is performance at least as good as any pharmaceutical will give, and the vitamin is both safer and cheaper. Many physicians consider high doses of vitamin C to be so powerful an antiviral that it may be ranked as a functional immunization for a variety influenza strains.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n06.shtml

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

300mg. Right. The same guys that tell you it does not work - on the other side there are thousands of MDs who can prove otherwise.

I read a few other studies that supposedly proved the lack of efficiency in vitamin C. They happily stop at 500mg in many studies while having a cold, because the healing starts way beyond that factor. They also sometimes use meta-studies where people take idiotic crappy bodybuilder supplements that don't work and show them as proof. They happily discard any of the hundreds of studies that prove the opposite claiming that those don't exist.

Yeah - trust the study, don't trust your body, trust the pharma gods - there must not be any reason for them to lie over such a thing. Cheap, non-patentable, more effective than most other meds in that field, why should the establishment be ever interested in attacking that? I see absolutely no reason for them to do so indeed.....

Meanwhile - I can easily prove everything within 30 minutes of everyone here while you have a cold. I can bet 1 mio. $ on it. It's as effective as that. But yeah - it wont be possible with 300mg or 1000mg while sick.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Mar 5, 2020



Vitamin C Saves Wuhan Family from COVID-19
by Richard Cheng, M.D., Ph.D.
Watch it on YouTube: 6-elCYFhqJs

(OMNS Mar 5, 2020) Ms. N lives in Wuhan, China. She takes special care about the well-being of her entire family including her chronically-ill mother, aged 71. Ms. N has always been interested in nutrition and she recently learned about vitamin C's antiviral effects.

I am an American physician currently residing in Shanghai. I interviewed Ms. N by telephone after I received a forwarded story that she posted on Chinese social media, WeChat. I made an effort to connect with Ms. N to verify the story and below is what she told me.

Ms. N lives with her child in the epicenter of COVID-19 pandemic. She is close to her parents and her brother and his wife. The six of them visit each other on a regular basis. Her mother has diabetes and heart disease with stents placed, in addition to several other chronic illnesses including reflux esophagitis.

Right before the Chinese New Year, around January 21st, her mother developed flu-like symptoms, with a low grade fever of 38C. Based on her knowledge. Ms. N advised all members of the family to take oral vitamin C. She herself has been taking about 20,000 mg daily in divided-up doses. Her mother reluctantly took a smaller dose, probably half or less of what her daughter's been taking.

Her mother's condition was stable for 9-10 days. But on January 30th, without deteriorating, her mother decided to go to Wuhan Union Hospital, Tongji College of Medicine, The Science and Technology University of Central China, a hospital prominent not only in Wuhan, but in all of China. She wanted to check out if she was infected with the Wuhan pneumonia virus. She got her presumption confirmed. At the hospital, she was diagnosed of what became known now as Covid-19 pneumonia. The second day upon admission, her fever started going up, as high as 39.6C. In about 10 days on February 10th she was admitted to the Intensive Care Unit and went on the heart-lung machine as a final attempt to save her life.

At this time Ms. N learned of the clinical trials with vitamin C, administered by infusion (IVC; intravenous vitamin C). Immediately she requested the person in charge on the ICU to use large dose IVC on her mother. The attending physician agreed but would go only to around 10,000 mg. So it happened. After 20 days in ICU, her mother improved and was discharged to a regular ward a few days ago, continuing the IVC treatment, as insisted by Ms. N.

While in hospital, Miss N, her brother and sister-in-law took turns to visit and take care of her mother. They were wearing very simple protection: gloves and masks. Also noted is that while her mother got sick at home, none of the five other family members was wearing any mask for several days. But all of them went on oral vitamin C tablets. None of them developed COVID-19 infection.

So far this is the story of Ms. N. We wish her mother a full and rapid recovery.

In the context of the vast amount of research, clinical studies, case reports and my own decades of experience on vitamin C's use on viral infections, I summarize the story below with a few take-home messages:

1. Vitamin C tablets at high doses daily may be the reason why the family didn't catch the infection.

2. Given her age, history of chronic disease, and the high mortality of COVID-19 on seniors, IVC may have played a large role in her mother's improvement.

3. The news of official IVC clinical trials has definitely had a positive impact in this case, as the attending physician was emboldened to use IVC.

4. A well-functioning immune system is of the utmost importance to keep away the viral infection. And, vitamin C may support the defense against the COVID-19 virus, most importantly in chronically ill patients with a weakened immune system.

(Note from Andrew W. Saul, OMNS Editor-in-Chief: Dr. Richard Cheng is still in China now. He continues to work overtime with expert Chinese doctors and hospitals to facilitate providing intravenous vitamin C for the most seriously ill COVID-19 victims. For background information on the plausibility of treating coronavirus with high-dose vitamin C: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n09.shtml. Dr. Cheng's personal presentation of the case above is posted at YouTube: 6-elCYFhqJs An additional video from China by Dr. Cheng is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC0SO9KDG7U )

The elderly mother should have taken more than 10.000mg - people who are 70+ don't absorb that much. Second - going to the hospital quickly made her situation deteriorate. If they pumped her full with AIDS meds, then this might have caused the rapid destruction.

10.000mg IV is akin to 100.000mg oral, so obviously works much slower than the recommend dose of 20.000mg to 25.000mg. In some cases MDs administered 50.000mg IV - severe pneumonia.

Still - it worked and that is what matters. At least the local doctors gave her some vit c even if they were afraid that it would hurt the patient or thought that it would not work. AIDs meds are fine for a 70yo, but vitamin c is not .... ah well....

 

[Roosh]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

An alternate to hand sanitizer is 70% Isopropyl alcohol. When I worked in a laboratory, we would spray it everywhere, including our gloved hands, to kill organisms. Apply several sprays (or a big dollop on your palm) and rub it all over thoroughly. It will quickly air dry.

 

[M3B]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

Thanks for the replies. Wasn't being a cunt, but was hoping to be told it's wrong. Thanks! Gonna give it a go now since I'm sick.

 

[Mountaineer]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

I can attest it's effectiveness, been using it for a while now. Very useful to carry in a car when you cannot use water and soap and don't want any residue. Just use in moderation, it's harsh on the skin.

 

[nomadbrah]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

I also megadose Vit C as a precaution and to have enough reserves if I get sick.

I read in the papers that China is now experimenting with intravenous Vit C and will publish results soon.

Good idea to stock up on Vit C.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

I have my doubts about this coronavirus pandemic, but I don't mind stocking up on vitamin C - I already had done so. I also upped my daily dose of vitamin C.

All the preliminary reports from the local MDs in China and Korea who have started to use vitamin C megadoses are positive. In some cases it was the only thing helping among the elderly.

So regardless whether it's biowarfare or natural - it's effective because of the way this treatment is designed by boosting the body's immune system. Once you take 50.000mg in one day and have zero loose stool/titration, then you know that something is up, because no healthy person can eat the equivalent of vit c of 500 oranges and have zero reaction to it. Your body is obviously using that dose to defend itself against whatever it is.

 

[Tail Gunner]

RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu

Shanghai Government Officially Recommends Vitamin C for COVID-19
Written by Andrew W. Saul

(OMNS Mar 3, 2020) The government of Shanghai, China has announced its official recommendation that COVID-19 should be treated with high amounts of intravenous vitamin C. (1) Dosage recommendations vary with severity of illness, from 50 to 200 milligrams per kilogram body weight per day to as much as 200 mg/kg/day.

These dosages are approximately 4,000 to 16,000 mg for an adult, administered by IV. This specific method of administration is important, says intravenous therapy expert Atsuo Yanagisawa, MD, PhD, because vitamin C’s effect is at least ten times more powerful by IV than if taken orally. Dr. Yanagisawa is president of the Tokyo-based Japanese College of Intravenous Therapy. He says, “Intravenous vitamin C is a safe, effective, and broad-spectrum antiviral.”

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“On the afternoon of February 20, 2020, another 4 patients with severe new coronaviral pneumonia recovered from the C10 West Ward of Tongji Hospital. In the past 8 patients have been discharged from hospital. . . [H]igh-dose vitamin C achieved good results in clinical applications. We believe that for patients with severe neonatal pneumonia and critically ill patients, vitamin C treatment should be initiated as soon as possible after admission. . .[E]arly application of large doses of vitamin C can have a strong antioxidant effect, reduce inflammatory responses, and improve endothelial function. . . Numerous studies have shown that the dose of vitamin C has a lot to do with the effect of treatment. . . [H]gh-dose vitamin C can not only improve antiviral levels, but more importantly, can prevent and treat acute lung injury (ALI) and acute respiratory distress (ARDS).”

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/shanghai-government-covid-19.3315.html