RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
I'm assuming so, the same precaution is good if you are an ACV fanatic.
fiasco360 said:
I'm assuming so, the same precaution is good if you are an ACV fanatic.
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RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
Its very hard to measure the contact your teeth have had with the ascorbic acid even if you try to avoid it.
Therefore I would consider it best to use a buffered method. Sodium Ascorbate is an excellent solution. Lipsomal vitamin c seems to be a promising method too.
I say use a buffered method with the following in mind:
fiasco360 said:
Its very hard to measure the contact your teeth have had with the ascorbic acid even if you try to avoid it.
Therefore I would consider it best to use a buffered method. Sodium Ascorbate is an excellent solution. Lipsomal vitamin c seems to be a promising method too.
I say use a buffered method with the following in mind:
paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927677/
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
I was at a tax office today and some dude there, about 15 feet away had a dry cough and was blowing his nose. I was in the same room as this person for something like 2 hours.
As a result I decided to try the vitamin C powder. 5000mg today, even if I don't have an illness to defeat, I feel great, good recommendation.
I was at a tax office today and some dude there, about 15 feet away had a dry cough and was blowing his nose. I was in the same room as this person for something like 2 hours.
As a result I decided to try the vitamin C powder. 5000mg today, even if I don't have an illness to defeat, I feel great, good recommendation.
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
A Japanese Doctor has these recomendations:
1. Keep your mouth and throat dry by drinking a little something every 15 minutes. The drink may wash down the virus, if it's in your throat, into your stomach where normal stomach acid will kill the virus.
2. You can test yourself for advanced coronavirus by breathing fresh air and holding it for 10 seconds. If you get anxious about no air or cough involuntarily, your lungs are already suffering fibrosis and you need medical care asap.
The number 1 makes sense to me as influenzes like cold dry air with the resultant dried out mucous membranes.
A Japanese Doctor has these recomendations:
1. Keep your mouth and throat dry by drinking a little something every 15 minutes. The drink may wash down the virus, if it's in your throat, into your stomach where normal stomach acid will kill the virus.
2. You can test yourself for advanced coronavirus by breathing fresh air and holding it for 10 seconds. If you get anxious about no air or cough involuntarily, your lungs are already suffering fibrosis and you need medical care asap.
The number 1 makes sense to me as influenzes like cold dry air with the resultant dried out mucous membranes.
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
@Simeon_Strangelight,
Great post on vitamin C.
I've been "mega" dosing for twenty years. 4 grams a day, up to 9 when I noticed my colleagues were all getting sick.
Here's an interesting anecdote. Not sure if it's related to the vit C or not. But I went to the dentist for a checkup a few years ago and the dentist couldn't believe it. I hadn't been in years and I had one small cavity. They were truly blown away and said "how is it you have one tiny cavity only after so many years"...I didn't want to say "I take a LOT of Vitamin C". I thought I'd get laughed at.
I killed one cold earlier this year, extremely mild symptoms compared to what I'd normally suffer without the Vitamin.
Here's something I learned recently. Just because you feel better don't stop taking the C. A mistake I made. After talking to a biologist I found out that the reason doctors suggest you don't stop taking antibiotics when you feel better is because the virus can diminish to 20 percent ( for example ). At 20 percent you don't feel the symptoms! so you stop taking the antibiotic, then the virus has a chance to grow again and you feel sick all over. So, I'll take the C for a couple of days after I feel better.
Been doing this for 20 years. So, yea, there's something to it, no matter what the "experts" on the radio state about megadosing on C only makes expensive pee.
@Simeon_Strangelight,
Great post on vitamin C.
I've been "mega" dosing for twenty years. 4 grams a day, up to 9 when I noticed my colleagues were all getting sick.
Here's an interesting anecdote. Not sure if it's related to the vit C or not. But I went to the dentist for a checkup a few years ago and the dentist couldn't believe it. I hadn't been in years and I had one small cavity. They were truly blown away and said "how is it you have one tiny cavity only after so many years"...I didn't want to say "I take a LOT of Vitamin C". I thought I'd get laughed at.
I killed one cold earlier this year, extremely mild symptoms compared to what I'd normally suffer without the Vitamin.
Here's something I learned recently. Just because you feel better don't stop taking the C. A mistake I made. After talking to a biologist I found out that the reason doctors suggest you don't stop taking antibiotics when you feel better is because the virus can diminish to 20 percent ( for example ). At 20 percent you don't feel the symptoms! so you stop taking the antibiotic, then the virus has a chance to grow again and you feel sick all over. So, I'll take the C for a couple of days after I feel better.
Been doing this for 20 years. So, yea, there's something to it, no matter what the "experts" on the radio state about megadosing on C only makes expensive pee.
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RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
What form do you take C in? Is it powder, capsules, tablets, or drink? Also is it ascorbic acid, which is synthetic vitamin C derived from GMO corn, or Natural Vitamin C from a fruit blend (i.e. camu camu, blueberry, cranberry, lemon, rose hips, acerola cherry etc.
Zep said:
What form do you take C in? Is it powder, capsules, tablets, or drink? Also is it ascorbic acid, which is synthetic vitamin C derived from GMO corn, or Natural Vitamin C from a fruit blend (i.e. camu camu, blueberry, cranberry, lemon, rose hips, acerola cherry etc.
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
It's certainly just pure l-ascorbic acid. All the studies and tests including the countless experiences are based on that. There are not even any studies on those natural vitamin C products out there. I tasted a few of those products, but wouldn't take them for a simple reason. There is ample plant residue in them - you can taste the fruit, sometimes a bitter taste on top of it.
Never ever in a million years will you achieve anything with trying to do the same on acerola cherries.
Most people who take it regularly report on improvement of teeth - not destruction of enamel. That's just crap extrapolated by MDs who conflate fruit and their destructive nature on teeth with vitamin C. Just like that one Nigarian who chewed down on sugar-pills for years with vitamin C and the MD who then ignored the other ingredients and declared the vitamin to be guilty. Then the other groups who take this one toilet-paper-study of N=1 and then extrapolate them to the entire population. How about picking others who take pure l-ascorbic acid for years at doses of 2000-5000mg? Nah - let's pick that one who ate sugar-gum-products.
It's certainly just pure l-ascorbic acid. All the studies and tests including the countless experiences are based on that. There are not even any studies on those natural vitamin C products out there. I tasted a few of those products, but wouldn't take them for a simple reason. There is ample plant residue in them - you can taste the fruit, sometimes a bitter taste on top of it.
Never ever in a million years will you achieve anything with trying to do the same on acerola cherries.
Most people who take it regularly report on improvement of teeth - not destruction of enamel. That's just crap extrapolated by MDs who conflate fruit and their destructive nature on teeth with vitamin C. Just like that one Nigarian who chewed down on sugar-pills for years with vitamin C and the MD who then ignored the other ingredients and declared the vitamin to be guilty. Then the other groups who take this one toilet-paper-study of N=1 and then extrapolate them to the entire population. How about picking others who take pure l-ascorbic acid for years at doses of 2000-5000mg? Nah - let's pick that one who ate sugar-gum-products.
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
You are giving bad medical advice, I suggest you stop. You are not even remotely qualified in this field.
You have no idea about basic pH or are ignoring the obvious. I've linked to multiple studies which you ignore - which even note the benefit of vitamin C for teeth (quoted below). However you need to get your head around the fact that this benefit has nothing to do with the direct exposure of ascorbic acid (pH2.0) to enamel during consumption (which can damage teeth) - but instead supply via the bloodstream.
Simeon_Strangelight said:
You are giving bad medical advice, I suggest you stop. You are not even remotely qualified in this field.
You have no idea about basic pH or are ignoring the obvious. I've linked to multiple studies which you ignore - which even note the benefit of vitamin C for teeth (quoted below). However you need to get your head around the fact that this benefit has nothing to do with the direct exposure of ascorbic acid (pH2.0) to enamel during consumption (which can damage teeth) - but instead supply via the bloodstream.
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
Natural Factors 1000mg vitamin C tablets. Anything like it that is on special I will buy. I
I don't know how it is made to be honest. I go to a health food store and purchase them assuming that they will get a better quality brand than what you would find at a drugstore.
MusicForThePiano said:
Natural Factors 1000mg vitamin C tablets. Anything like it that is on special I will buy. I
I don't know how it is made to be honest. I go to a health food store and purchase them assuming that they will get a better quality brand than what you would find at a drugstore.
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
I agree with Nineteen84. Whilst the vitamin c megadosing info is helpful, SS is not doing himself any favours and I’ve crossed swords with him over similar issues regarding an area of my specific knowledge before. This unwillingness to even consider the idea that bathing your teeth in acid is not a good idea is frankly embarrassing.
Here’s an idea which I will be trying. After taking a shot of vitamin c (a concentrated solution, thanks to whoever suggested it as I hate taking the large capsules I was filling) I will have a swill out of my mouth with a solution of that old RVF stalwart baking soda. Should help mitigate, right? Almost like using a buffered form but you don’t actually ingest the baking soda.
I agree with Nineteen84. Whilst the vitamin c megadosing info is helpful, SS is not doing himself any favours and I’ve crossed swords with him over similar issues regarding an area of my specific knowledge before. This unwillingness to even consider the idea that bathing your teeth in acid is not a good idea is frankly embarrassing.
Here’s an idea which I will be trying. After taking a shot of vitamin c (a concentrated solution, thanks to whoever suggested it as I hate taking the large capsules I was filling) I will have a swill out of my mouth with a solution of that old RVF stalwart baking soda. Should help mitigate, right? Almost like using a buffered form but you don’t actually ingest the baking soda.
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
I wonder what all those experts here are talking about when vit c is anti-bacterial and ph-levels in food is usually not what destroys your teeth. Since sugary drinks and food has the effect of forming compounds that stick to your teeth and then those compounds feeding on bacteria that destroy your teeth, then this is contrary to the anti-bacterial vitamin C which explains why people who take it for years in higher doses rather have stronger than weaker teeth.
The estalibishment attacked vitamin C in doses beyond 200mg for years and years. The claims and supposed studies are out there - saying that it damages your liver, causes ulcers, damages kidneys - and does not work at all. It's not that ph-level below a state does not impact teeth to some degree, I just think that the effect is tiny or negligent or multi-dosers or MDs in the field wold have noticed it. That the sugar-pill-vit-c mixture does it is clear.
I wonder what all those experts here are talking about when vit c is anti-bacterial and ph-levels in food is usually not what destroys your teeth. Since sugary drinks and food has the effect of forming compounds that stick to your teeth and then those compounds feeding on bacteria that destroy your teeth, then this is contrary to the anti-bacterial vitamin C which explains why people who take it for years in higher doses rather have stronger than weaker teeth.
The estalibishment attacked vitamin C in doses beyond 200mg for years and years. The claims and supposed studies are out there - saying that it damages your liver, causes ulcers, damages kidneys - and does not work at all. It's not that ph-level below a state does not impact teeth to some degree, I just think that the effect is tiny or negligent or multi-dosers or MDs in the field wold have noticed it. That the sugar-pill-vit-c mixture does it is clear.
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
Nobody was talking about Mega-Dosing of Vitamin C like that before Simeon gave us his expertise! That alone should let you know this Forum is THAT BIG!! It's no longer the Pick Up Bastion of the Web... but it's legacy is already set in stone!! Proof's Right There!!
aeroektar said:
Nobody was talking about Mega-Dosing of Vitamin C like that before Simeon gave us his expertise! That alone should let you know this Forum is THAT BIG!! It's no longer the Pick Up Bastion of the Web... but it's legacy is already set in stone!! Proof's Right There!!
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
A friend of mine is just recommending to get liposomal vitamin C because it has 10x the absorption rate.
He says that way you only have to take 10-20g instead of 100-200g, which is better for your stomach, etc...
Thoughts on this?
A friend of mine is just recommending to get liposomal vitamin C because it has 10x the absorption rate.
He says that way you only have to take 10-20g instead of 100-200g, which is better for your stomach, etc...
Thoughts on this?
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
I've been on high doses for 4 days and my teeth feel like they are dental office clean, also no bleeding gums when flossing.
Simeon_Strangelight said:
I've been on high doses for 4 days and my teeth feel like they are dental office clean, also no bleeding gums when flossing.
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
I am doubtful of this. The oral absorbtion rate cannot be 1 to 10 unless the guy taking the liposomal vit c is a 16yo man and on the other side you have a 100 year old man - then maybe, because old age doesn't absorb so well.
That would be on par with infusions and all orthomolecular MDs would rather recommend that since it saves you an invasive procedure.
It's better, but the best studies I read about were hinting towards at best twice better absorption and even that is not proven. Andrew Saul orthomolecular News and society wrote somewhere that the best some studies point to is something that is a bit over 50% in absorption rate. If you want and can afford it, then pick it.
It's likely true that it has a higher absorption rate, but I personally don't care simply because I read the statements about the differences and I don't like the added ingredients that are usually embedded even in their best products (i.e. Mercola vitamins)
Enhanced Eddie said:
I am doubtful of this. The oral absorbtion rate cannot be 1 to 10 unless the guy taking the liposomal vit c is a 16yo man and on the other side you have a 100 year old man - then maybe, because old age doesn't absorb so well.
That would be on par with infusions and all orthomolecular MDs would rather recommend that since it saves you an invasive procedure.
It's better, but the best studies I read about were hinting towards at best twice better absorption and even that is not proven. Andrew Saul orthomolecular News and society wrote somewhere that the best some studies point to is something that is a bit over 50% in absorption rate. If you want and can afford it, then pick it.
It's likely true that it has a higher absorption rate, but I personally don't care simply because I read the statements about the differences and I don't like the added ingredients that are usually embedded even in their best products (i.e. Mercola vitamins)
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
Colgate must be lying:
https://www.colgate.com/en-us/oral-...al-health/how-acidic-drinks-affect-teeth-1115
Also, note that it includes a paragraph about sugar-free soda with a pH of 3.0 (ascorbic acid has a pH of 2.0):
https://www.citydental.co.nz/customer-stories/simon-acid-damage-with-vitamin-c/
So you are correct but the above two are in on the conspiracy?
Again, there's no conspiracy here. And we are talking specifically about tooth enamel - not liver, ulcers kidneys or gums.
If you mean negligible - then no, not quite. Here you acknowledge that each effect is 'tiny' - which is in a way correct; now you need to realise that each of these 'tiny' injuries to the enamel caused by the direct pH2.0 ascrobic acid exposure accumulates and you now have a dental health problem.
And yes, some doctors have noticed it - they're called dentists.
https://www.citydental.co.nz/customer-stories/simon-acid-damage-with-vitamin-c/
Repeat direct exposure of enamel to a demineralising agent such as ascorbic acid in the mouth will result in dental erosion.
Vitamin C, via the bloodstream, promotes collagen growth and is excellent for the skin and gums. Highly recommended.
Your enamel on the other hand may feel dental office clean because it's been directly exposed to ascorbic acid, stripping away a minute layer of surface enamel. Now your enamel feels clean but is just that 'tiny' bit thinner each time - eventually, you’re going to run out of layers to strip off and will begin exposing dentin in places. So consume it in high quantities but don't let it come into direct contact with your tooth enamel (even a straw will help... to a degree. Buffered is best).
Regarding pH:Simeon_Strangelight said:
Colgate must be lying:
https://www.colgate.com/en-us/oral-...al-health/how-acidic-drinks-affect-teeth-1115
Also, note that it includes a paragraph about sugar-free soda with a pH of 3.0 (ascorbic acid has a pH of 2.0):
Dentists must be lying:
https://www.citydental.co.nz/customer-stories/simon-acid-damage-with-vitamin-c/
So you are correct but the above two are in on the conspiracy?
Again, there's no conspiracy here. And we are talking specifically about tooth enamel - not liver, ulcers kidneys or gums.
If you mean negligible - then no, not quite. Here you acknowledge that each effect is 'tiny' - which is in a way correct; now you need to realise that each of these 'tiny' injuries to the enamel caused by the direct pH2.0 ascrobic acid exposure accumulates and you now have a dental health problem.
And yes, some doctors have noticed it - they're called dentists.
https://www.citydental.co.nz/customer-stories/simon-acid-damage-with-vitamin-c/
Repeat direct exposure of enamel to a demineralising agent such as ascorbic acid in the mouth will result in dental erosion.
Dr. Howard said:
Vitamin C, via the bloodstream, promotes collagen growth and is excellent for the skin and gums. Highly recommended.
Your enamel on the other hand may feel dental office clean because it's been directly exposed to ascorbic acid, stripping away a minute layer of surface enamel. Now your enamel feels clean but is just that 'tiny' bit thinner each time - eventually, you’re going to run out of layers to strip off and will begin exposing dentin in places. So consume it in high quantities but don't let it come into direct contact with your tooth enamel (even a straw will help... to a degree. Buffered is best).
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
Did anyone test oregano essential oil in a bacterial or viral infection?
Did anyone test oregano essential oil in a bacterial or viral infection?
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
I researched it a few years ago. Most liposomal vitamin C formulas contain 100 – 300 mg of vitamin C per dose, which means that even if you get ten times the absorption it is still only an average amount. It did not make sense based on a cost-benefit analysis. Normal Vitamin C is just so very cheap. Things may have changed since then. More information:
https://selfhacked.com/blog/liposom...+++Vyvanse&utm_campaign=Aug+1+2018+Newsletter
You can also make your own liposomal vitamin C:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hom...r#gws_rd=cr&kpvalbx=_7xdoXqbFO9fz-gT794DIBg25
Enhanced Eddie said:
I researched it a few years ago. Most liposomal vitamin C formulas contain 100 – 300 mg of vitamin C per dose, which means that even if you get ten times the absorption it is still only an average amount. It did not make sense based on a cost-benefit analysis. Normal Vitamin C is just so very cheap. Things may have changed since then. More information:
https://selfhacked.com/blog/liposom...+++Vyvanse&utm_campaign=Aug+1+2018+Newsletter
You can also make your own liposomal vitamin C:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hom...r#gws_rd=cr&kpvalbx=_7xdoXqbFO9fz-gT794DIBg25
RE: Health remedies and prevention for Coronavirus / flu
Oregano oil is awesome. It is one of the items that I am taking right now as an immune booster, along with Vitamin C, zinc, and Black Elderberry.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24779581
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190423133644.htm
We have stressed Vitamin C in this thread, but there are dozens of other herbs and supplements that act as immune boosters and anti-virals.
BTW: In Post Number 1284 of the coronavirus thread, I discuss nebulizers and how to use them with Eucalyptus oil and Tea Tree oil:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74749-post-2066694.html?highlight=nebulizer#pid2066694
Bury Zenek said:
Oregano oil is awesome. It is one of the items that I am taking right now as an immune booster, along with Vitamin C, zinc, and Black Elderberry.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24779581
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190423133644.htm
We have stressed Vitamin C in this thread, but there are dozens of other herbs and supplements that act as immune boosters and anti-virals.
BTW: In Post Number 1284 of the coronavirus thread, I discuss nebulizers and how to use them with Eucalyptus oil and Tea Tree oil:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74749-post-2066694.html?highlight=nebulizer#pid2066694