Height Shaming
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CactusCat589 said:
How tall a kid ends up depends on more than just how tall his parents are. And, his parents were affected by more than purely genetic factors. Height prediction based on parental heights might work on average, but there are a hell of a lot of outliers based on the people I've seen in my life. I'm taller than I "should" be, based on my parents heights, and my sister is shorter.
A girl's height isn't even on my radar when it comes to deciding if she's a good candidate to mate with. It matters implicitly, I suppose, because I find certain body types more attractive than others and height is part of that--historically the girls that turned me on the most were small and fit, 5'0 to 5'3 and athletic--but it's not an explicit concern. There are way too many other more important factors.
Tall girls are rare. Looking at census results in the US, only ~9.5% of girls 20-29 are over 5'8, which is what I consider tall for a girl. Most of those are going to be unattractive, so if you put heavy emphasis on height you're restricting your search for a mate to less than ~2% of the population of young women. Poor odds for uncertain return, IMO.
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Kingfisher
im 6'7 and whats this (srs)
catoblepa said:
Well only like 2.5% of men (in the US) are over 6'2 to begin with. That's now, with modern medicine and nutrition. When people who are 70 now were in their 20s I strongly suspect there were a lot fewer men taller than 6'2.
There's some correlation, I'm not sure how strong, between height and dying younger, so a greater proportion of 6'2+ men would have died by 70.
People don't "shrink" with age, but they lose the strength necessary for good posture and start to hunch over with skeletal problems, spinal curvature and whatnot, which makes them appear shorter than if they were young and healthy. I know my dad seems shorter now than 10 years ago, and I didn't get any taller. His posture just isn't great anymore.
So, it's a combination of all those things.
Ingocnito
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Pantheon Dweller said:
Simple, shorter levers. Basic physics. But just as important is body shape/type. Ednomorph vs mesomorph vs ectomorph.
At 6'4" as an ectomorph I can seriously say from years of experience I've had to put in 2x if not 3x the lifting to achieve the same results as most guys in the 5'4"-6' range.
And the eating was horrendous for me. Obscene amounts of force feeding just to gain weight. Just the way it is.
Height is a major sexual attractant and a key genetic marker of male fitness. I would wager that it is within the top 3 factors of woman-to-man attraction (the other 2 being face and social status), and it continues to grow in importance in our increasingly shallow, hypergamous, aesthetically-driven hookup culture. As an attractant it is also the most consistent (height is never a bad thing, whereas with faces/physiques/styles women have certain "types") and it is among the two clearest "deal-breakers" in dating (the other is race).
Short guys need to compensate where they can (wear lifts, work out more, dress better, approach more, socialize more, earn more money), and then accept it and move on (a lot of women they just won't be able to get).
Taller guys also need to realize their entirely arbitrary but very real advantage and stop giving short guys hollow advice ("it's just your game bro!").
Short guys need to compensate where they can (wear lifts, work out more, dress better, approach more, socialize more, earn more money), and then accept it and move on (a lot of women they just won't be able to get).
Taller guys also need to realize their entirely arbitrary but very real advantage and stop giving short guys hollow advice ("it's just your game bro!").
Problem is, so many short(er) guys let this shit get to them. I've been on dates with a number of girls who wanted either A. a guy taller than me B. a "tall" guy C. both who said they'd never been on more than one date with a guy my height. In reality, the problems that they had faced were with the insecure short(er) guys (one girl told me that she went out with a short guy who would demand to walk in front of her to give the illusion of similar height) and when they'd find out that I didn't give a shit and actually preferred taller girls, they had no problem.
Obviously, this isn't going to be the case with all girls, but the less fucks given by short(er) guys about height differential, the more fucks gotten!
Obviously, this isn't going to be the case with all girls, but the less fucks given by short(er) guys about height differential, the more fucks gotten!
civpro said:
Great point. I think body actually beats face. Plenty of ugly, yet masculine guys with decent muscle and height do very well. At least with all the Slavic girls in my neighborhood.
Social Status and Height are forever; the face is a variable (although also of importance).
1. Social Status/Power
2. Tallness
3. Game
4. In good shape.
5. Money (especially if self-made)
6. Face
Anything that a girl has, isn't as important as what she lacks: Social Status, height and muscles. She can't have those without: a) a ton of work and ambition b) testosterone injections.
I am gonna post some the advice I got from Mcqueen, when I made a thread about my height and Game
Christian McQueen said:
Alan Partridge said:
Frankly I rather agree with an early article by Roissy:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/how-much-can-game-do/
If being tall were right after Fame and even before Game this would be a different world - guys would be wearing secret plateau-shoes non-stop. I've seen 6'4 guys with great looks being out-gamed by 6ft guys. Initial attraction points are good and with apps like tinder a very short guy with a very pretty face can get way more out of his buck. But as a combined rule of all factors the list is likely correct in descending order.
Now personally I am almost 6ft, so I probably did not register as much of a plus, but not much of a minus either. But in all my travels I've met so many 5'7 Alphas with terrific Game, that it lends credence to the opinions by Roissy. Of course a good Looking 6'3 Player with great Game will be better and have it way easier than the 5'7 ugly Guy with equal Game. But that is the sexual market place - the other guy can only balance it with specialized Game (Salsa clubs) or by acquiring Fame and Enormous Wealth (no easy feat in our times). Life may be fair, but only when seen from a very long-term and cosmic perspective - in one specific lifetime it certainly is not "equal".
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Kingfisher
as a tall man (6'7 like i wrote before) i have noticed that women are way too harsh when it comes to dealing with short men. these girls flat out openly tell me they would be embarrased to be seen with a short man and that when she arrived to a date, the guy happened to be just a bit taller than her and she ejected.
if you are short you need to compensate by having a big dick (also trainable), dress extremely well, have a shit ton of 'swagger' and improve social skills...
but i have to be honest, i have gotten girls simply because of my stature.
also you gotta stop worrying about stuff you can't control. with my height girls expect me to have a 10' dick LOL so thats one negative.
if you are short you need to compensate by having a big dick (also trainable), dress extremely well, have a shit ton of 'swagger' and improve social skills...
but i have to be honest, i have gotten girls simply because of my stature.
also you gotta stop worrying about stuff you can't control. with my height girls expect me to have a 10' dick LOL so thats one negative.
While I'm not "short" per se at 5'8, I've found that my height has been a slight disadvantage albeit nothing major. As others have said, some girls will flat out reject you. When I was single, I experienced this mostly in online dating and second at night clubs. I won't get into the whole online thing; everyone here I'm sure has experienced the 6's with the utterly absurd must-have lists. In nightclubs, I would imagine that being taller is a distinct advantage because it gives one more presence. I'm not an overly outgoing person and I've never done well in a night club setting. I'm sure being taller would help a little but, for me, it's mostly that I'm just out of my element and not confident in that setting.
In all other aspects of life, I've never found my height to be a big disadvantage. My fiancee is 5'9, 120 lbs, blonde hair, blue eyes, used to model when she was younger etc. I met her at a friends wedding. We were sat next to each other. I gamed her hard for a couple hours during dinner and the speeches, had her laughing etc. After the first dance, I grabbed her and brought her to the dance floor. We stood up and her first comment was "holy shit you're short!". She was wearing heels and was a solid 4 - 5" taller than me. In the end, it obviously didn't matter.
In all other aspects of life, I've never found my height to be a big disadvantage. My fiancee is 5'9, 120 lbs, blonde hair, blue eyes, used to model when she was younger etc. I met her at a friends wedding. We were sat next to each other. I gamed her hard for a couple hours during dinner and the speeches, had her laughing etc. After the first dance, I grabbed her and brought her to the dance floor. We stood up and her first comment was "holy shit you're short!". She was wearing heels and was a solid 4 - 5" taller than me. In the end, it obviously didn't matter.
Very good information on short guys vs. tall guys. Tariq Nasheed breaks everything downt. In the end its your swagger and status and game that prevails. He goes on to say the many rappers are very short like Lil Wayne and still get women. Status!
Short dudes according to Tariq Nasheed should adopt the Napoleon complex on being confident and be gangster with your stuff. Napoleon was whopping all kinds of ass all over Europe and people in Europe were afraid of him and respected him, you didn't want to mess with Napoleon.
Short dudes according to Tariq Nasheed should adopt the Napoleon complex on being confident and be gangster with your stuff. Napoleon was whopping all kinds of ass all over Europe and people in Europe were afraid of him and respected him, you didn't want to mess with Napoleon.
Being short is a major handicap with women, period. A short guy will always be working with a disadvantage. However, this does not mean that short guys cannot pull. Far from it. They just need to overcompensate in other areas. They will never get a free pass the way that a taller guy will, so they need more personality, better game, bigger muscles, fancier clothes & cars, higher status, etc...
No point denying this fact, it's just the way it is. A short man is like a woman with below average facial aesthetics. An ugly woman in denial of the fact becomes an angry feminist or a lesbian. The smart ugly woman does the best she can with her face with makeup (and maybe plastic surgery) then makes herself really valuable in other areas: she works out frequently and maintains a banging body, she develops a pleasant and feminine personality, she cooks and cleans, etc... A woman like this can be a very attractive partner for most men despite her lack of raw beauty.
A short guy is the same way. All else being equal, women will never have the same visceral response to a guy who is 5'5" and 140 as they will to a guy who is 6'4" and 240. It's just not possible, so if you're short you have to stack the deck in your favor in other ways. You're basically playing the game on a higher difficulty setting. Don't deny that fact, own it. You will have to try harder to get the same results. Embrace that as an opportunity to make yourself the best you can be.
No point denying this fact, it's just the way it is. A short man is like a woman with below average facial aesthetics. An ugly woman in denial of the fact becomes an angry feminist or a lesbian. The smart ugly woman does the best she can with her face with makeup (and maybe plastic surgery) then makes herself really valuable in other areas: she works out frequently and maintains a banging body, she develops a pleasant and feminine personality, she cooks and cleans, etc... A woman like this can be a very attractive partner for most men despite her lack of raw beauty.
A short guy is the same way. All else being equal, women will never have the same visceral response to a guy who is 5'5" and 140 as they will to a guy who is 6'4" and 240. It's just not possible, so if you're short you have to stack the deck in your favor in other ways. You're basically playing the game on a higher difficulty setting. Don't deny that fact, own it. You will have to try harder to get the same results. Embrace that as an opportunity to make yourself the best you can be.
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