Height Shaming
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Noah
Pigeon
Surprisingly a lot of game denialism in this thread. Look, we all know height matters. But the degree to which it matters depends on the degree you choose to let it matter. In real life, girls don't walk around with a measuring stick. Similarly, it's not something they tend to focus on in isolation (online dating notwithstanding). Tuth does a good job of summarizing how women look at height in this post: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-5288-post-70024.html#pid70024.
Regarding the Twitter account the OP posted... Who cares? I thought part of swallowing the red pill was recognizing the discrepancy between what women say and what women actually do.
Anyway, if you're short, here's what you should do:
1. Get your style on point. Dressing sharp can only help, and I find that the "slim fit" look works well with short guys. It has a way of elongating the body, and making you appear taller than you actually are. For this though, you actually have to be slim, which brings me to #2.
2. Get lean and toned. I've found that this is the best body type for short guys. Getting too big will give you that "short and stocky" look, which won't make you look taller, but being ripped with good proportions will definitely help.
3. Wear shoes with a larger heel. All my shoes have at least a 1" heel, I feel like this is a no brainer.
4. Maintain good posture. Good posture makes you appear taller and more dominant. Strengthening your legs and core also helps with posture.
McQueen also has a good chapter in his Nightclub Bible book on "Short Guy Game" which I'd also recommend checking out.
Regarding the Twitter account the OP posted... Who cares? I thought part of swallowing the red pill was recognizing the discrepancy between what women say and what women actually do.
Anyway, if you're short, here's what you should do:
1. Get your style on point. Dressing sharp can only help, and I find that the "slim fit" look works well with short guys. It has a way of elongating the body, and making you appear taller than you actually are. For this though, you actually have to be slim, which brings me to #2.
2. Get lean and toned. I've found that this is the best body type for short guys. Getting too big will give you that "short and stocky" look, which won't make you look taller, but being ripped with good proportions will definitely help.
3. Wear shoes with a larger heel. All my shoes have at least a 1" heel, I feel like this is a no brainer.
4. Maintain good posture. Good posture makes you appear taller and more dominant. Strengthening your legs and core also helps with posture.
McQueen also has a good chapter in his Nightclub Bible book on "Short Guy Game" which I'd also recommend checking out.
I thought this discussion was solved? All game coaches always advice to approach a lot of girls. If you're short, you'll probably have to do more approaches, but you'll get there.
After all, short guys wouldn't exist if all girls didn't want them, some do. Otherwise the world would be populated by ever-taller giants.
Some can be convinced, some can't. So be it, that's life.
After all, short guys wouldn't exist if all girls didn't want them, some do. Otherwise the world would be populated by ever-taller giants.
Some can be convinced, some can't. So be it, that's life.
Solus
Robin
Height is one of several potential factors that can cause a guy to not get laid.
Given it's one of the only things a man cannot change it's frequently scapegoated as the sole factor in his failures when in reality if he had tight game/style/etc his height would ever only be brought up by bitter taller men who only have that to bitch about because they aren't as successful as he is in any facet of their lives.
Also, getting mad at some random bitches on a twitter page? Come on.
Given it's one of the only things a man cannot change it's frequently scapegoated as the sole factor in his failures when in reality if he had tight game/style/etc his height would ever only be brought up by bitter taller men who only have that to bitch about because they aren't as successful as he is in any facet of their lives.
Also, getting mad at some random bitches on a twitter page? Come on.
Lucario
Woodpecker
My guess is that a trait that is seen as alpha or beta by women is one that is seen as alpha or beta by men first, then women catch on. So my guess is that this height thing all stemmed from men who compared themselves to taller men and assumed they were greater than them just because the were taller, and the taller men who saw the shorter men feeling insecure about their height felt superior about their own height, and then the women noticed this and perceived taller men to be superior. Even I tend to get intimidated by those 6'1+ dudes, but I have to put it out of my mind.
I think that short men need to not care about height too much. I saw a taller guy try to cockblock a 5'3 ish guy hard by positioning his body in between him and the girl, short guy turns him around and gets in the tall guys personal space and holds his ground, tall guy backs away.
I think what el mech said was right, height threads like these come and go like a festivity sort of thing.
Perhaps it is because height is the number one insecurity men have dude to women being so vocal about it ..so threads like these help the newer members of the forum who are short to find some closure.
I think that short men need to not care about height too much. I saw a taller guy try to cockblock a 5'3 ish guy hard by positioning his body in between him and the girl, short guy turns him around and gets in the tall guys personal space and holds his ground, tall guy backs away.
I think what el mech said was right, height threads like these come and go like a festivity sort of thing.
Perhaps it is because height is the number one insecurity men have dude to women being so vocal about it ..so threads like these help the newer members of the forum who are short to find some closure.
BiggNastee
Kingfisher
Is this thread serious? What's next, "dick size shaming" Jesus
Lucario said:
Same way men like thin girls with big boobs, because girls who were thin with big boobs felt superior to girls with small boobs, and then men starter liking them better?
No. Its evolutionary psychology.
However in modern society one could argue that height does not really have an advantage any more.
Female Anti-Feminist tweeted this yesterday - the brutality and irrationality of the feminine imperative:
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I'm going to save that image to a folder somewhere for a future argument with a beta whiteknight. Thanks.
Slick Shimmer
Robin
Statham surprised me.
I can confirm this is not the case.Dusty said:
While a 5'8 could lock down girls, a 6'4 guy barely has to work for it at all because he already has female attention. It's a status thing.
Slick Shimmer
Robin
DUPE, delete
I recently came upon this article on Height Shaming and had to think of the thread:
Whats Up With All Of The Hate For Short Dudes?
http://ateyelevel.co/N-43/whats-up-with-all-of-the-hate-for-short-dudes
While the article covers a few fields as it tries to find reasons for the Heightism it finally concludes that the media is to blame.
Nah.
The media is always chipping in the lowest common denominator - plus currently it serves the feminine imperative and feminism completely.
The reason in my opinion for increased heightism are found in the fact that female desires, wants and brutal hypergamy are completely unfettered. Most women always preferred taller men (except for a few tall women who actually wanted shorter men because they encountered some difficulties in the sexual market place - women who are 6'1 or taller http://www.slightlyawkwardshelly.com/2012/03/argument-for-dating-shorter-man.html)
However it is interesting to see it in numbers:
- average height in the US is 5'9 1/2
- on average taller men are viewed as more competent, more attractive, better all around (that is exacerbated as feminism and hypergamy are running wild)
- more taller men are found in positions of power like CEOs (though that is probably more connected to right pedigree and nutritious food, as within generations height can rise 3 inches with the right kind of nutritious, protein dense food during pregnancy and then in the first years of infancy)
- since attractive women get to pick in a deluded fashion they increasingly demand taller men as their birthright (even women as tall as 4'10 want guys around 5'10 or more)
The article tries to combine it with the campaign against fat-shaming, but of course fails since the comparative factor in women would be ugly-shaming and men don't make fun of ugly women, since it would be outright cruel. HOwever in our society of standardized misandry bashing men is fun - we will likely see this more and more in our society, also due to the act that the latest generations were getting taller:
Older little ABC piece on the topic - in our current times it would be more hostile or would not air at all:
Commercials displaying misandry - again the equivalent would be a commercial making fun of ugly women.
But you guys put down good points anyway making it clear that disadvantages can be overcome. The environment is getting more hostile towards men on all fronts, so it is no surprise there. Short men without Game or super high DHVs like fame or wealth will get hammered more and more. Game and charisma are probably the highest equalizers out there.
Whats Up With All Of The Hate For Short Dudes?
http://ateyelevel.co/N-43/whats-up-with-all-of-the-hate-for-short-dudes
While the article covers a few fields as it tries to find reasons for the Heightism it finally concludes that the media is to blame.
Nah.
The media is always chipping in the lowest common denominator - plus currently it serves the feminine imperative and feminism completely.
The reason in my opinion for increased heightism are found in the fact that female desires, wants and brutal hypergamy are completely unfettered. Most women always preferred taller men (except for a few tall women who actually wanted shorter men because they encountered some difficulties in the sexual market place - women who are 6'1 or taller http://www.slightlyawkwardshelly.com/2012/03/argument-for-dating-shorter-man.html)
However it is interesting to see it in numbers:
- average height in the US is 5'9 1/2
- on average taller men are viewed as more competent, more attractive, better all around (that is exacerbated as feminism and hypergamy are running wild)
- more taller men are found in positions of power like CEOs (though that is probably more connected to right pedigree and nutritious food, as within generations height can rise 3 inches with the right kind of nutritious, protein dense food during pregnancy and then in the first years of infancy)
- since attractive women get to pick in a deluded fashion they increasingly demand taller men as their birthright (even women as tall as 4'10 want guys around 5'10 or more)
The article tries to combine it with the campaign against fat-shaming, but of course fails since the comparative factor in women would be ugly-shaming and men don't make fun of ugly women, since it would be outright cruel. HOwever in our society of standardized misandry bashing men is fun - we will likely see this more and more in our society, also due to the act that the latest generations were getting taller:
Older little ABC piece on the topic - in our current times it would be more hostile or would not air at all:
Commercials displaying misandry - again the equivalent would be a commercial making fun of ugly women.
But you guys put down good points anyway making it clear that disadvantages can be overcome. The environment is getting more hostile towards men on all fronts, so it is no surprise there. Short men without Game or super high DHVs like fame or wealth will get hammered more and more. Game and charisma are probably the highest equalizers out there.
Lucario
Woodpecker
After thinking it through, I realised that a short man is equivalent to a women who chopped off her long hair and had that butch heir cut.
The only way a woman with short hair can beat a woman with long hair in the sexual market place is if she is slim and young while her long haired competition is chubby and older.
But if her long haired competition was to become slim...then she would lose out in the sexual market place.
it is similar for a short man vs a tall man in the sexual market place.
Short guys, there is just no escaping it, height is the no.1 physical trait women go for in a man. After observing I see it more and more.
The worst part is height is unchangeable.
And in this androgynous society, physical traits reign supreme.
It is like what Scorpion said, short guys are playing the dating game on very hard mode.
The only way a woman with short hair can beat a woman with long hair in the sexual market place is if she is slim and young while her long haired competition is chubby and older.
But if her long haired competition was to become slim...then she would lose out in the sexual market place.
it is similar for a short man vs a tall man in the sexual market place.
Short guys, there is just no escaping it, height is the no.1 physical trait women go for in a man. After observing I see it more and more.
The worst part is height is unchangeable.
And in this androgynous society, physical traits reign supreme.
It is like what Scorpion said, short guys are playing the dating game on very hard mode.
Zelcorpion said:
So true.
And of the short guys I know, one has no problem. He makes decent $$ and is in good shape and confident. A couple of others at least get laid from time to time.
But just as comparing fat-shaming and short-shaming is silly, not a single one of the short guys I know would post "short is beautiful/awesome!" pics and demand that society find them attractive. I'm sure they get frustrated (just like everyone does for one reason or another) but they choose to accentuate their positives and improve the traits they have control over.
In other words, for short guys it's "no need to make fun of us" as they are not all up in arms about being found desirable just for existing. With fat girls it's "We're beautiful you misogynist!" and demand that society believe in BS like fat acceptance and body positivity, even though the obvious is unlike with height, they can do something about it.
EDIT: I watched part of that dating video. "He's still short" says the middle-aged woman with the triple chin.
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