Captain Ahab said:
This. Write under a pen name.
George Elliot was a renowned writer in the 18th/19th century, but was actually a woman. And that was a time when it was scandalous, neigh, preposterous that a woman would read, let alone write.
Wald
High School Teacher with half-naked Twitter pictures put on leave
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This. Write under a pen name.
George Elliot was a renowned writer in the 18th/19th century, but was actually a woman. And that was a time when it was scandalous, neigh, preposterous that a woman would read, let alone write.
Wald
Goldin Boy
Pelican
The male students want to fuck her and the girls want to carosel ride like her at that age, obvious observation.
Disagree, from experience, if students don't respect they'll try to walk over you. Almost like dealing a woman, students of either gender will test boundaries. Have you ever taught and at what grade level?
Depends where you are. In Central Islip in Long Island, which is a shitty, low-income district a teacher with tenure can make $120k with an M.A. Except for the MS-13 ones, the kids were no problem.
Shaming and ad hominems, with no attempt to refute the actual points. This is a woman. :hamster2:
You got stats for that Sally?
1. No but that teacher was hired by a principal.
2.Hiring someone implies that you think they're competent and responsible.
3.The private pics posted a public website are the opposite of that.
4. So after #3 the principle in #2 looks like a fool and needs to save face.
Yup humans are hypocrites. Women wanna ride the carousel till their labia look like roast beef and think they deserves a man will Bill Gates money and Ron Jeremy's dick at 36 y/o. Men want girls to put out easy but then complain that there's no marriage material anymore. Fuck other teachers have done the same but weren't foolish enough to put it on the web.
Jaydublin
Pelican
Everybody seems to want to give all these freedoms to the individual but what about the employer? in the case its public but what is it were a private business? Don't they have rights?
People better realize that even if weed becomes legal, companies can still refuse to employ users.
People better realize that even if weed becomes legal, companies can still refuse to employ users.
Jaydublin
Pelican
MorphineBliss, So can I ask you where the line is drawn? If this is acceptable then what else is? Is turning tricks on the weekends acceptable? Students looking up their math teacher on backpage? or maybe taking a drive down Main St. to see their favorite teacher standing on the street corner looking for clients? Would that cause any issue? Part time stripping?
And how would things like this, or even what she is already doing, not have an affect in the classroom?
They have every right to fire her and find a better employee just like an employee has every right to quit their job and find a better employer.
And how would things like this, or even what she is already doing, not have an affect in the classroom?
They have every right to fire her and find a better employee just like an employee has every right to quit their job and find a better employer.
As a teacher, you should take your responsibilities seriously. It's not hard to keep your personal life away from your professional life.
If people knew who I was, I'd be fired as a teacher for my beliefs.
I do feel a responsibility for the well-being of my students. It is not my responsibility to be a parent, but it is my responsibility to expose students to the world. And I'd like to think that I know the way better than most teachers.
There's a reason why I show my kids the books I read, play jazz on Pandora in homeroom, show pictures and relics of my travels, and dress professionally. While many may not see it, I can see that a few of my male students look up to me and say "damn, he's a pretty cool dude".
If people knew who I was, I'd be fired as a teacher for my beliefs.
I do feel a responsibility for the well-being of my students. It is not my responsibility to be a parent, but it is my responsibility to expose students to the world. And I'd like to think that I know the way better than most teachers.
There's a reason why I show my kids the books I read, play jazz on Pandora in homeroom, show pictures and relics of my travels, and dress professionally. While many may not see it, I can see that a few of my male students look up to me and say "damn, he's a pretty cool dude".
Timoteo
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I don't know that anyone suggested that it's a teacher's responsibility to raise someone's child. At the same time, to make the argument that teachers play NO part in the positive development of a kid, and have NO influence is just silly. Any number of us can look back and give a great teacher we had credit for something positive in our lives. You aren't saying that the teacher was more important than your own parents, but they still provided something that your parent either didn't or couldn't. Just because our society/government may not, in terms of salary, appear to value the profession, that it's a "shit" job, doesn't mean that it isn't important. Actually, for some of us, we spend MORE time during a certain period of our lives with teachers and other adults other than our parents than we do with our parents. The stat stating how much actual time a teacher spends speaking to each individual kid is a pointless stat in this context. And I think it's more important that students love the teacher because of what she taught them, and how she taught them, as opposed to loving her because they'd like to party with and/or fuck her. Students need to respect their teachers as authority figures. It's more important that maybe a student HATES a teacher for being hard on them or demanding of them. There's nothing positive that I see in being able to go on the internet and see your teacher doing half-naked handstands...HA HA! I think the fact that the profession is struggling to attract candidates isn't a good excuse to lower standards and expectations.
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MorphineBliss said:
Here is my deliberation on why this story is a textbook highlight on hypocrisy, and not hypocrisy in the moral sense.
1. Kids are required to attend school, aka compulsory education. As much as people in this thread are presupposing that "everyone loves the hot slutty teacher," and that "kids can look after themselves" at this age, kids sure don't have executive power to decide not to put up with a bullshit teacher.
2. There are hundreds of thousands of people who have a vested self interest in compulsory education. I just searched 'high school' in google and the first result was a two day old news story about eliminating Coca Cola in favor of carrot juice. What the fuck.
Do you defend the slutty teacher or the taxpayer-subsidized nutritionist who thinks carrot juice is a good idea? Good question. One makes the education system look like a farce. The other makes the education system look like a taxpayer's black hole. I would take the slut ANY DAY over the people who believe in extracting my taxes for their bullshit fluff career.
tl: dr - when I'm free to pass on taxes for the education system, I'll freely pass on judging sluts who are part of the same system,
3. Do what you wan't, just don't get caught. If you get caught, lie like a rug. Everyone I know plays by this rule. The slut doesn't get a pass when she works for a school board funded by taxpayers and hired (and voted) by a school board. She didn't break any laws, but she tarnished the reputation of people who are employed to make parents feel safe about hiring said educators and paying their salary.
TheRookie
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MorphineBliss said:
Did Piers Morgan join the forum?
I'm sorry, but this is about the most typical British rant about Americans. And if you're going to stereotype Americans, at least do it right!
1. 'Those poor overworked teachers - precious little things bless them'
-What on earth are you talking about? The teachers in American feminist indoctrination factories work low hours, have summers off, are damn near impossible to fire, receive good benefits and have little to no accountability on whether or not the kids learn anything.
2. 'American kids are all running around shooting each other'
-Generalizing from anecdotal evidence. Although you would be correct if you were talking about the slums in Chicago.
3. 'Americans are such prudish Puritans'
-I'm no bible-thumper but if the parents in Middle America don't want their kids being taught by a drug-addled whore, that is their prerogative and I am not going to lecture them otherwise.
4. 'I thought it was the land of the free'
-Yes, you are free to do whatever you want in your free time, and I as an employer am free to fire you if you are setting a bad example and pissing off my customers - in this case the student's parents.
If you take a look at her new twitter feed, you'll see she is not some poor downtrodden teacher but a typical attention-whoring American girl. If she is really good at calculus and you want her teaching your kids, MorphineBliss, I'm sure you could hire her as a private tutor. Just reach out to her at her at her new twitter account, https://twitter.com/carlycrunkbear. Here are some of her recent tweets:
-4k followers in like a day...gonna get crunk to celebrate ! don't even know how crunk it'd be to get 5k or more? #freecrunkbear #crunkbear
-i need a reality show with all this drama ... #crunkbear #freecrunkbear
-#twerkteam holla
-lost all my pictures from @crunk_bear tweet them back to me (-;
TheRookie said:
lulz. More like #HavingBounderiesAndHavingNoIssueEnforcingThem
Who is Pierce Morgan?
There are 3 debates going on here meshed into one:
Last time I checked both American and British public (meaning state-run) school ranged from being terrible to just about alright, heavily depending on whether they're located in a privileged area or not. Generally speaking they're shite. Americans leaving highschool are pretty uneducated compared to europeans, particularly scandinavians and eastern europeans, it's not even a contest. Point being, whatever America is doing with their school system, isn't working out too well is it? Just looks like a huge contradiction to me, in light of what a lot of you have stated are expectations in the teacher role model, and how this one is letting everyone down.
The privacy concern I voiced are unrelated to Miss Crunk and I feel far more significant. I've been the victim of identity theft in the past and it's a drag to say the least, I wish it upon nobody. Just take a look at just about any public forum (including this one) where pictures and information is reproduced, shared and even tinkered with. Whether it's legal or not is entirely irrelevant in my estimation, I don't do shit to others that I don't want done to me. That''s all that matters. This brings us full circle to what having class really is. Do I want my pictures reproduced and posted for a wider audience, even if they're somehow publically accessible? Nah-uh. Do you?
Miss Crunk is indeed daft and if she's done dodgy stuff on school grounds or during work hours I'm sure she'll get sacked and barred from teaching elsewhere as well. I always wonder how shit like this surfaces, I'd wager it's some sad person interning for a local paper who was googling people they went to highschool with during office hours. Gotta hand it to Miss Crunk though. She's making the best of a bad situation and making a buck out of her 4 hours of fame, demonstration some invention right there.
Jaydublin said:
Only just seen this. I really don't see any lines here. If someone can effectively be a teacher and a hooker, good for them. But as most of us can probably imaging prostitution is rarely a choice of vacation, rather a decision that stemmed from financial hardship.
I never tried making a point that it was wrong for her to lose her job, or it's not the right of the employer to terminate someone they fell ill-represented by.
Kitsune
Pelican
MorphineBliss said:
Seeing as you've brought up the nationality thing, I'm British, like yourself.
I have four family members and a number of friends who work as teachers or in other positions in schools. You simply don't know what you're talking about if you think this reaction is American - the exact same thing would happen here.
With that out of the way, some other points:
1. I'm sure the kids do love her: Because she's a lazy law-breaker in a position of authority who is convincing the kids they are going to also be able to get a free ride through life.
2. I've dated/known young teachers: The fact htat they get attention from boys at an age where they'd fuck anything with a hole has nothing to do with how professional they are at their job. Furthermore, a trashy person is a trashy person, regardless of their profession. I wouldn't date this woman, because she's trashy.
There's no hypocrisy in pointing that out.
3. Teaching is not a terrible job. Low paying? Yes. Good hours? Yes. Job security? Yes. Massive holidays? Yes. Low stress levels? Yes.
Seriously, anyone who complains about the nuts and bolts of teaching needs to go into a field where lots of money or their health is on the line. You say, "living in the real world" about how bad being a teacher is, but they have a safer, better paid and less stress job than entry level firefighters, police and even new army enlistees.
4. Bringing up is partly to do with teachers: You can't say it isn't. It's mandatory for kids to be in education, therefore, they are going to have a teacher. When you have to let your kids be under the care of a person for 6 hours a day, you then can't say, "Well, this kid shouldn't be influenced in any way by who we give them." It's a ridiculous argument and doesn't deserve thinking about. Even if it did merit thought philosophically, it isn't true in a legal sense anyway.
5. Higher standards for teachers? I'm not sure about anyone else in this thread, but I don't see a higher standard here: I would sack someone who was a liability to my company's reputation, and I don't run a school.
6. It isn't an invasion of privacy because the information has been made public domain, in the same way that if a celebrity snorts coke in a public place and it gets photographed, it isn't defamation. If you want to act like an idiot where you can get called on it, then it's your own fault. I'm not a hypocrite, I understand the risks of this which is why I don't do stupid things.
7. Yes, I expect a 23 year old to behave responsibly. When I was 23, I behaved responsibly. As most 23 year olds aren't getting fired for smoking marijunana and publicly broadcasting their vices, I assume that most 23 year olds are able to behave appropriately. Therefore, it isn't a stretch to say this girl should have done what everyone else seems to find easy.
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