Hitler's first speech as Chancellor of Germany in 1933.

Goni

Robin
I sincerely think that Adolf Hitler was indeed the greatest orator of History.

Not just the way, gestures and voice, but the articulation of the words and speech in general were really great.

In this speech I do not see any extremist words or views.

Just the speech of a man that wants to rebuild and raise back his nation , and he did.

NSDAP did indeed raise back Germany to its feet and the debts and destruction of 14 years of Weimar Republic were paid in 4 years.


The speech

 

KingDavid

Sparrow
I sincerely think that Adolf Hitler was indeed the greatest orator of History.

Not just the way, gestures and voice, but the articulation of the words and speech in general were really great.

In this speech I do not see any extremist words or views.

Just the speech of a man that wants to rebuild and raise back his nation , and he did.

NSDAP did indeed raise back Germany to its feet and the debts and destruction of 14 years of Weimar Republic were paid in 4 years.


The speech

They were heathens from the very beginning, with a twisted ideology and satanic beliefs. Hitler was obsessed with the occult and would have destroyed Christianity in Germany had he won.
 
They were heathens from the very beginning, with a twisted ideology and satanic beliefs. Hitler was obsessed with the occult and would have destroyed Christianity in Germany had he won.
Can you provide me a source on this? Not to question you — I have heard this argument presented several times, but it’s hard to find factual information on Hitler (both pro and against).
 

bucky

Pelican
Can you provide me a source on this? Not to question you — I have heard this argument presented several times, but it’s hard to find factual information on Hitler (both pro and against).
I'd be interested too. I've heard that Hitler wished Germany had stuck with Germanic paganism or converted to Islam because Christianity supposedly lacked the proper martial spirit, but I can't remember where. No doubt the anti-Christian crowd has argued the opposite, that Hitler was a devout Christian. Like you say, not exactly a guy many are eager to claim for their side.
 

Goni

Robin
They were heathens from the very beginning, with a twisted ideology and satanic beliefs. Hitler was obsessed with the occult and would have destroyed Christianity in Germany had he won.
As for the twisted ideology, in order to speak about a political movement you need to be very well read on that.

National Socialism was indeed a revolutionary ideology , but there was nothing satanic in that.

You need to read about the 25 points of NSDAP and their explanation in order to have a judgement.

Among everything , concept of family, conservation of traditions, war on feminism etc were all points of NSDAP.

Christianity was one of the points of the 3rd Reich and considered the foundation of morals, you have that mentioned evan in the speech above.

You need to bring some facts about your claims.

This is a political discussion, and arguments are build on facts.
 

ginsu

Robin
There is so much information and manipulation of the public opinion about this man that each passing day decreases our chances to get back to the truth. I agree that listening to speech and direct written words is the best way to get close to it. Anything else I just don't trust.

I'm not sure if hitler/ww2 and events like that are a rabbit hole that's wise to go down. There are major blackpills there. The suffering, crimes, lies are so big and so many that I don't want to linger there anymore, it makes me very somber for the pain inflicted and all that was lost. IMO Its pretty much the same as it is today, betrayal of the people by elites looking to gain more power and wealth and playing different sides against the others. Its been all downhill for the western soul without much resistance since then.

Personally I just go with the opposite of what the globohomo want you to think. Everything is inverted. I have yet to find a case where this simple trick does not work.

A meme to make this situation a little bit lighter:
 
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An0dyne

Robin
Hitler promoted eugenic and racist policies that were diametrically opposed to the core ethos of Christianity, which preaches the healing of the nations through oneness in Christ and affirms that all life is worth living because Christ is the Author of life and defeated death. Hitler believed none of that and also persecuted Christians and the Church and ensured that stooges who supported his policies were in place in the state church--which was already devoid of orthodoxy, since most of its confessional adherents fled to America and elsewhere in the 19th century.
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
They were heathens from the very beginning, with a twisted ideology and satanic beliefs. Hitler was obsessed with the occult and would have destroyed Christianity in Germany had he won.
Several high ranking Nazi figures were indeed members of pagan- occultist societies. Rosenberg and Himmler are the prime examples. Many others, like Goebbels and Goring, were staunchly anti-christian

Himmler, rumoured to be a member of the Thule Society, was bend on imposing these neo-pagan beliefs on German society

However, saying that Hitler 'was obsessed with the occult' is not correct I believe

The Church is the only institution the Nazis dared not to confront openly. In 1933 they could have gone French Revolution/ communist on Christianity but they chose not to.

Instead in 1933 Nazi Germany and The Vatican signed the Reichsconcordat. It was dishonored by the Nazis many times. Many Europeans regard this treaty a huge stain on the Church's blazon

The dislike was as much about the Church's autonómica status, as it was about it's desert/Jewish/ non Aryan origin and character. And the lack of warrior spirit


Many historians indeed believe that the Nazis were indeed planning to eradicate Chrsitianity after the Final Victory
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
If you presume that all national governments past and present (including your own no matter where you are) are deeply immersed in worship of the fallen one then you will never be proven wrong if you dig deeply enough.

By what confluence of events would honest, decent men edge out devious snakes from power? Not except by God's will, and ever since the first sin He has made it clear that it is satan's place to offer men worldly temptations such as power, while Christ's faithful suffer here what they must on their path to Heaven to be by God's side eternally.

So if you have to ask "was/is leader X a Christian" and it's not utterly clear by his works that he is in submission to Christ then the answer is no, said leader wittingly or unwittingly serves the devil, no matter what they filled out on their census.
 
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La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
I sincerely think that Adolf Hitler was indeed the greatest orator of History.

Not just the way, gestures and voice, but the articulation of the words and speech in general were really great.

In this speech I do not see any extremist words or views.

Just the speech of a man that wants to rebuild and raise back his nation , and he did.

NSDAP did indeed raise back Germany to its feet and the debts and destruction of 14 years of Weimar Republic were paid in 4 years.


The speech


Obviously he was a great speaker. There is something captivating about his speeches. The build up, the intonation, the intensity, the hand gestures, the wording, the pride, the emotional manipulation, the sense of having to right a wrong, the power of belief, the power of hearing someone that has left doubt behind him

Dark charisma..

Whenever I stumble upon one of his speeches, like now, I keep watching for hours

 
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bucky

Pelican
If you presume that all national governments past and present (including your own no matter where you are) are deeply immersed in worship of the fallen one then you will never be proven wrong if you dig deeply enough.

By what confluence of events would honest, decent men edge out devious snakes from power? Not except by God's will, and ever since the first sin He has made it clear that it is satan's place to offer men worldly temptations such as power, while Christ's faithful suffer here what they must on their path to Heaven to be by God's side eternally.

So if you have to ask "was/is leader X a Christian" and it's not utterly clear by his works that he is in submission to Christ then the answer is no, said leader wittingly or unwittingly serves the devil, no matter what they filled out on their census.
It's impossible to understand this world in general without understanding that it's literally Satan's kingdom. Once you figure that out, things make so much more sense. The core reason why SJWs are so miserable is their false belief in equality and that through its worship they can somehow build paradise on Earth without God.
 

bucky

Pelican
As for the twisted ideology, in order to speak about a political movement you need to be very well read on that.

National Socialism was indeed a revolutionary ideology , but there was nothing satanic in that.

You need to read about the 25 points of NSDAP and their explanation in order to have a judgement.

Among everything , concept of family, conservation of traditions, war on feminism etc were all points of NSDAP.

Christianity was one of the points of the 3rd Reich and considered the foundation of morals, you have that mentioned evan in the speech above.

You need to bring some facts about your claims.

This is a political discussion, and arguments are build on facts.
I don't think anyone questions that the National Socialists officially expressed support for Christianity. The claim is that behind the scenes many high ranking Nazis and possibly Hitler himself were anti-Christian and would have liked to see the Church go away, they just didn't feel secure enough to officially move against it. If you think about it, even Stalin's USSR didn't dare completely dismantle the Church, as much as he might have wanted to.
 

Goni

Robin
I don't think anyone questions that the National Socialists officially expressed support for Christianity. The claim is that behind the scenes many high ranking Nazis and possibly Hitler himself were anti-Christian and would have liked to see the Church go away, they just didn't feel secure enough to officially move against it. If you think about it, even Stalin's USSR didn't dare completely dismantle the Church, as much as he might have wanted to.
I consider history a 95% exact science and 5% interpretation.

Arguments about history and politics are built on facts.

As you said, it is a claim and not a fact.

Facts are that they supported christianity and did not do any specific act against that institution.

Here are the main 25 points of NSDAP

 
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Goni

Robin
Hitler promoted eugenic and racist policies that were diametrically opposed to the core ethos of Christianity, which preaches the healing of the nations through oneness in Christ and affirms that all life is worth living because Christ is the Author of life and defeated death. Hitler believed none of that and also persecuted Christians and the Church and ensured that stooges who supported his policies were in place in the state church--which was already devoid of orthodoxy, since most of its confessional adherents fled to America and elsewhere in the 19th century.
I think your comments is based on misjudgment and prejudice.

I am still waiting for facts how Hitler attacked and persecuted Christians.

I also think you have no idea what the condition of Germany was in 1933. You have a topic here called " Sexual Decadence of Weimar Republic ". Go and read it.

Church was there. People did not go after it and the church did nothing to stop the spreading of unspoken degerancy of Germany in that time.

Hitler was not a priest.

He was a politician and the first thing he did was to stop the degeneration of Weimar which was anti Christian also.

As for Eugenics, is not that Hitler took mases of people and put them in camps to sexually interact.

Eugenics was promoted under the institution of the family.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member

Show me in this list of political agendas where the DNC specifically attacks Christianity. We don't even have to rely on history. This is a list that's up-to-date right now.

With that in mind, tell me how Christ-friendly you think the DNC's vision for the future is.

Now, the rest of you reading this can be left to wonder why a muslim would come to a Christian forum and promote Hitler and the Nazi party.

By their works you shall know them.
 

Goni

Robin
Ey dude, just because you are an older member with some more reputation comments in the old forum, does not make you some kind of Sherlock Holmes or doubting my europan or Christian faith.

You are off topic here.

Do you have any arguments that NSDAP was against Christians?

That promoted anti Christian values?

We all know what Democratic party is, we leave in these times.

When we speak about the past, we need proof and evidence, you are bringing none.
 

bucky

Pelican
Ey dude, just because you are an older member with some more reputation comments in the old forum, does not make you some kind of Sherlock Holmes or doubting my europan or Christian faith.

You are off topic here.

Do you have any arguments that NSDAP was against Christians?

That promoted anti Christian values?

We all know what Democratic party is, we leave in these times.

When we speak about the past, we need proof and evidence, you are bringing none.
I'm interested to see more evidence of how Hitler, high-ranking Nazis, and the NSDAP viewed Christianity. I get that Mean Mr. Moustache and his buddies are the ultimate hot potato that no one wants to be associated with, but I don't think Christians should be threatened by looking into this. For one thing, even if you accept the laughable idea that Hitler was some kind of unique evil who was somehow greater than all other evils, I don't think anyone is claiming he was some kind of devout Catholic who was regularly attending mass. Even if he were, one bad egg would hardly prove Catholicism or Christianity wrong, but he wasn't. Maybe he had some innate respect for Christianity, although from what I know of the man and his views this seems unlikely. It seems much more likely that he accepted that most of his people were Christian and that, like it or not, he had to work with that. Much like Stalin, who loathed Christianity to the point that he had a cathedral blown up because it bothered him that he could see it from his office window but still didn't quite feel confident enough to completely suppress the Orthodox church in the USSR.

The stuff about the Nazis being anti-Christians into dark pagan mysticism or leaning toward Islam because of its supposed martial characteristics seems plausible to me. After all, they idealized the great Germanic Nordic fighting spirit (or whatever) and the early Muslim caliphs were great adventurer conquerors like Hitler, so it wouldn't be surprising if he admired them. That said, I don't know much about any of that. It would fascinating to hear about from those who do.
 
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