This is a very interesting thread that is sort of a punch in the gut.
Having followed it and looked at most of the supporting material, I am forced to admit that my knowledge of World War II was only formed by the popular narrative and not a fair or complete consideration of history. It is an almost shameful feeling. I have actually read a couple books about WW2, but they were more episodic and not comprehensive.
I thought the allies entered the war with knowledge of and primarily motivated by the Nazi camps. I did not know that the allies, both Soviet and US, committed mass atrocities against the Germans. I also did not know about the Bolshevik Revolution in Germany starting in 1918.
That all seems patently very relevant. Therefore I must regretfully conclude that history and manufactured popular opinion in the west is not about teaching truth. Then from there I must conclude that we have been manipulated, though I would have to put in a lot more time to understand the precise motives.
I am not prepared to say Hitler wasn't evil. However, being brutalized in WW1 and then seeing a million-strong army of Jews try to take over Germany would go a long way in explaining why he did what he did.
It is also clear that right here is the point where the "truth tellers" and righteous defenders of the Holocaust will start madly typing paragraphs against me for being an independent thinking person.
I guess it shows that grand narratives really are powerful, and people (including me) can be taken in without knowing it. The only way forward is to always be willing to discard old knowledge when given the opportunity.
Its the foundation myth for everything in our society, the Nazi's and the term itself became the gold standard of evil to which every controversial idea proposed is compared, and allows those opinions to be cast away.
I apologise, It wasn't my intention to comes across as snippy to Truth Teller.
The war in retrospect if the stories of "holocaust" camps were just work camps for ammunition/POW would make it hard to justify the war in the long view, I honestly believe it made easier to justify we were the good guys and that we all the millions of men who died throwing themselves into gunfire, was all worth it in the face of clear evil such as mass gassings. Look at what average people know about WW1, they barely care because its just another war to them, there's no clearly defined bad guy. Its Terminator 1 to Terminator 2, WW1 is just a bit too unpolished (and eerie) for mass consumption compared to WW2.
Without the holocaust, WW2 becomes hard to explain to the ordinary person, too relativistic. Banking? Boring. Rothchild? Too complicated. Usury? What's that? The capstone or epilogue of the holocaust makes it clear that we fought at all no matter what the cost to ourselves, blows away all ambiguity. Think of it as the big blow out, the great reveal, the grand finale, that's needed, a story and tale so horrific and grueling but ultimately deep inspiring that would last the ages and would be told to your children and your children's children.
Now imagine instead returning to the Shire but you could never see the grand defeat of Sauron on screen. In fact imagine the defeat of Sauron as not grand at all, just bland hand to hand fist fights with nameless faceless cliched looking men.
That is WW2 without the holocaust.