Holocaust fact finding thread

Samseau

Owl
Gold Member
nomadbrah said:
Green-On-GO said:
Its an insult to every Allied POW put in those camps and Allied POWs who witnessed what the Nazis did.

What do you think of General Patton, the liberator of Europe?

http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/25/patton-the-anti-semite-and-hypocrite/

Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working. … Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.

This quote without context makes no sense. Care to elaborate?
 
Samseau said:
nomadbrah said:
Green-On-GO said:
Its an insult to every Allied POW put in those camps and Allied POWs who witnessed what the Nazis did.

What do you think of General Patton, the liberator of Europe?

http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/25/patton-the-anti-semite-and-hypocrite/

Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working. … Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.

This quote without context makes no sense. Care to elaborate?

I was responding to the quote above:

Holocaust denial to me is an insult to every Allied soldier who fought the Nazis and liberated camps.

The quote I gave you was General Patton responding to orders by (Baruch and Morgenthau) to forcibly remove civilian germans from their homes to be put into open air camps and to put jews called "displaced persons" in them instead. Millions of germans perished in these open air camps without sanition or in forced labor with the Sovjets (which the allies orchestrated).

His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.

The poster said it was an insult to every allied soldier, so I bring quotes from the greatest allied soldier General Patton.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/36062/did-gen-patton-say-we-defeated-the-wrong-enemy

We may have been fighting the wrong enemy (Germany) all along

The full quote above in context:

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/gen-pattons-appalling-anti-semitism/2017/12/20/

In a letter to General Eisenhower discussing a report by Earl G. Harrison, the dean of the University of Pennsylvania School of Law whom President Truman had sent to inspect the camps, the incensed president noted that

[W]e appear to be treating the Jews as the Nazis treated them except that we do not exterminate them. They are in concentration camps in large numbers under our military guard instead of SS troops. One is led to wonder whether the German people, seeing this, are not supposing that we are following or at least condoning Nazi policy.

Patton responded in his September 15, 1945 diary entry:

Evidently the virus started by [FDR’s treasury secretary Henry] Morgenthau and [financier and presidential adviser Bernard] Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working…. Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.
 
Regarding Patton, this is an excellent article about his views:

The orders from above—Eisenhower wanted him to confiscate the houses of wealthy Germans so Jewish survivors could live in them—embittered Patton. His beloved Third Army was decaying as troops decamped for home, discipline vanished, and meanwhile, “the displaced sons-of-bitches in the various camps are blooming like green trees,” he wrote a friend.

He saw journalists’ criticism of his handling of the Jews and the return of Nazis to high official positions as a result of Jewish and Communist plots. The New York Times and other publications were “trying to do two things,” he wrote, “First, implement Communism, and second, see that all business men of German ancestry and non-Jewish antecedents are thrown out of their jobs.”

While Eisenhower ordered him to stop “mollycoddling Nazis,” Patton lashed out at journalists and others he viewed as enemies. “The noise against me is only the means by which the Jews and Communists are attempting and with good success to implement a further dismemberment of Germany,” he said.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/trump-general-patton-admiration-214545
 

puckerman

Ostrich
Mr. Ripley said:
During Jewish American Heritage Month, we celebrate the profound contributions that the Jewish faith and its traditions have had on our Nation. Two hundred years ago, in April 1818, Mordecai Noah delivered his famous discourse before the members of America’s first synagogue, Congregation Shearith Israel, upon the consecration of their new house of worship. Reflecting on Jewish history as well as on the unique rights and privileges afforded to American Jews, Noah proclaimed that, “for the first time in eighteen centuries, it may be said that the Jew feels he was born equal, and is entitled to equal protection; he can now breathe freely.”

Trump gets it wrong again. This was not the first synagogue by any means. The oldest surviving one is in Newport, Rhode Island. It was built in 1763. Rhode Island was probably the most tolerant of all the original colonies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touro_Synagogue
 

Super_Fire

Kingfisher
Suits said:
Mr. Ripley said:
Trump declares May Jewish history month.

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Suits, I thought you were white. Why are you such a Jewish fanboy?

I know there's a lot of rightly-placed anti-Muslim sentiment around here, but both groups want to displace us equally.
 

Parzival

Ostrich
As a German I have some opinions about this topic but it's sensitive to talk about it.
The complete deny of killing jews is something I don't get. One one side jews are seen as the one that are at the elite and want to rule and destroy, Hitler seen this. Jews are the ones that control most of the media and finance, they want to destroy the nation state. As a final solution Hitler made the step to let them kill for a purge. Also Nazis and other people still say the Jews play an important role by negative influence and then they still they hesitate to say that Hitler and the Nazis took the final step for this solution.

To deport them had failed, neither Madagasgar Plan, nor settlement behind the Ural line nor "good" countries accept the jews in masses. Also it's hypocritical that Germany and the Nazis are blamed for the treatment of the Jews while Hitler for sure took a look on US laws on blacks. Those negative laws against black did just change in the 1960s and 1970s but I get confronted by Americans how much racist Germans are. Most of the jews get killed by shootings and there had be mass shootings for sure. About the gas chambers, when I was in Dachau - not a dead camp - some guide told me they build it up a little more bad for educational shock process. Even showed us some ovens even that Dachau was no dead camp. Also there was a Wehrmacht exhibition some years ago that manipulated a lot of pictures to paint them more bad.

So one side say the Jews are bad, manipulate and so on but as a final consequence that Hitler took, they say, no this never did happen. On the other side a lot paint Hitler and the Nazis as pure evil but then they need to manipulate sources and exaggerate about the crimes of the Nazis. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Hitler and the Nazis had be radical, and a lot of those men and women that commit crimes did it on a naive idealist purpose for the greater good. Purge the world from the jews was dirty and necessary for them for a better tomorrow. On the other hand the Allied forces and other people wanted Germany to be down, they want this till today for multiple reasons. We see so often how countries, groups etc lie for a benefit or to bring some foe down.

For me jews had be social outcast with a lot of negative consequences. That lead to the dead of a lot of them. Had there the extreme gruesome stuff that they want us to believe? I have my doubts.
 

Syberpunk

Pelican
Gold Member
My grandmother died in a concentration camp before my mother was born, which is why I'm able to be here today to speak to you, writing this post.
 
Brother Nathaniel is absoluty right - there were books written by supposed Holocoust survivors in the 1950s - and no peep about gas chambers. There was also no mention of 6 million or any number of that sort.

My girl's grandfather who is Polish worked as a forced laborer for the Nazis. He volunteered later to work in Germany, because they got treated better than in the vassal Polish state. One of their crew who volunteered from their city was a Jew - everyone knew that he was Jewish. But true to the word - they got treated better than at the local businesses who abused the workers as well as 19th century robber barons.

It was no picnic working for free for years, but they fed and housed them giving them a bearable work schedule. In the last months of war they just released them and told them to go home - that included their Jewish mates who had been on those crews. He returned on foot from Germany.

My girl also had an uncle who was a Polish freedom fighter. He was captured by the Nazis and transported to Auschwitz spending there a few years. He survived, but he was tortured by them for being a rebel - all fingernails were pulled. In the camp he got used to eating all his food in what the Germans call Eintopf - meat and vegetables put all together as some kind of gulasz. It struck them as odd that he wanted to eat every meal in a specific German way, but he obviously had some PTSD being tortured. And yet they did not shoot him - he also never heard of any gas chambers while being in Ausschwitz.

Her grandfather however saw random acts of violence against Jews in Krakow by the Nazis. Contrary to what many folk think - aside from the bankers and real estate holders, many Jews in EE were rather normal laborers and they comprised the upper as well as the lower classes doing various trades. After the war he reported many returning from the concentration camps or from hiding, selling their properties and moving either further West or to Israel. There was a lot of packing and moving going on in cities with large Jewish populations like Krakow. So even with the naked eye you saw many survivors.

You can still find plenty of Polish folk with families who were even in Ausschwitz - it's easy enough to compile witness statements, but of course there is little interest in doing so.
 
Nice concise article with links on the site by monetary reformer Anthony Migchels:

https://migchels.wordpress.com/2018/07/24/ursula-haverbeck-and-revisionism/

Ursula Haverbeck And Revisionism

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Ursula Haverbeck sees her house ransacked by a German paramilitary terror (‘anti terror’) squad, after being interviewed on prime time by ARD, the German public broadcaster. She is facing years in jail. She refused to tow the party line on the ‘Holocaust’.

Frau Haverbeck is an 86 year old lady, in the best sense of the word, who, as a young girl, lived through the horrors of the ethnic cleansing of Eastern Prussia in 1945. She’s the widow of Werner Haverbeck, who was a committed National Socialist during the war and a nationalist, christian and anthroposophical (‘extreme right’) campaigner thereafter.

She is a member of a network of Revisionists in Germany. The best known among them are Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf and Horst Mahler, who is currently serving a 12 years sentence for ‘Volksverhetzung’ (‘inciting popular hatred’) and Holocaust denial.

Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany and several other European nations. The German State especially, clamps down viciously on all that dare to speak their mind on the issue. Recently, Sylvia Stolz was sent back to prison for 20 months for a speech she delivered in Switzerland. Stolz, who is married to Horst Mahler, had already served more than three years behind bars for the ‘crime’ of defending Ernst Zundel, who was convicted to five years in jail.

In France, Vincent Reynouard was sentenced to two years in jail in February this year. This was during the ‘Je Suis Charlie’ mass psychosis, with millions of French ‘celebrating free speech’.

Haverbeck was interviewed in a major attack by ARD (here is a youtube version with English subtitles) on Revisionism on April 23d this year. The main point of contention was Auschwitz, about which she made many points denying it was a ‘death camp’. She called the Holocaust ‘the biggest lie in history’.

Revisionism
Revisionism has been gaining major momentum over the last few years. The points that people like Robert de Faurisson have been making since the eighties have been, especially in the Alternative Media on-line, mostly vindicated.

While Revisionism has important other points too, Hitler’s ongoing peace overtures to the West come to mind, or the horrendous suffering of the German people in defeat, the main issue is of course the Holocaust.

Did 6 million Jews die through gassing as a result of a deliberate policy of industrial genocide? This, in a nutshell, is what we have been made to believe after the war.

Auschwitz is central in this theme. After the war, a plaque was shown to visitors saying 4 million Jews died there. It is upon this number that the 6 million figure is said to be based. However, later the plaque was changed to read ‘1,5 million Jews died here’. Currently, the Holocaust Industry maintains that about 1 million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz. Still, the mythical 6 million number remains in humanity’s mass consciousness.

But Haverbeck, in the interview, went a lot further: she denied Auschwitz was a death camp to begin with. Revisionist scholars maintain Auschwitz was a major industrial center and the Jews were brought there as slaves, not to be murdered.

There is no paper trail in Auschwitz whatsoever of any kind of systematic killings. Quite the opposite: the records speak of harsh penalties for guards comitting crimes against the inmates.

Haverbeck cites extensively from the camp records of the time, detailing the diet and medical requirements for the inmates. These suggest the prisoners were quite well taken care of.

Even more telling: there is no forensic evidence at all either. No gas chambers have been found anywhere in the German camps. The infamous one in Dachau, visited by many people, was built after the war by the Americans, for PR purposes.

Nowhere have bodily remains, either bones or ashes, been found. Another issue is that at Auschwitz they simply did not have the crematoria to deal with thousands of bodies on a daily basis. It takes hours to burn a corpse and there were only a couple of ovens at Auschwitz. These were sufficient to handle the ‘normal’ deaths of a major industrial hub, but most certainly not to burn 1 million (let alone 4 million) dead people.

A major blow to the official Holocaust narrative was delivered by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole, in the eighties. He interviewed the camp’s management with a hidden camera and they admitted no people were gassed in the supposed ‘gas chamber’ they were showing to tourists. Cole had to go underground after publishing his findings. He made a career for himself in the Republican Party as David Stein, but was outed a few years ago. He wrote an entertaining account of his travails since.

Fred Leuchter, who worked for the American Government as a gas chamber specialist for executions, went to Poland and investigated and concluded that the alleged ‘gas chambers’ would simply have been unusable for any kind of mass executions. He testified as such in the infamous Zundel trials.

Post war Red Cross reports indicate that about 300 thousand people died in the camps during the war. Most of them non-Jewish. They died mostly in the final months of the war, when the German economy had collapsed and the camps were no longer sufficiently supplied. Typhoid epidemics in several camps killed thousands of inmates.

Revisionism maintains that the Jews of Eastern Europe (and Holland) were arrested as ‘enemy combattants’. Basically the same legal framework with which the Americans interned the Japanese. Already in 1933, International Jewry had ‘declared war‘ on Germany. The ‘final solution’ Hitler had in mind was expelling them after the war.

It must also be understood that this was in the days of the rape of Russia, where the Jews under the guise of Bolshevism had been killing scores of millions of Russians and other Slavs, often in the most heinous fashion. Germany had been witnessing this first rank and there was both deep fear and disgust.

Zionism was instrumental in the whole affair: Zionists operated the Jewish Councils throughout Europe, which cooperated with the Germans and selected the people to be sent off to the camps. Zionists were spared the ordeal. Zionism needed the ethnic cleansing of Europe for its own designs in Palestine: the Jews had shown to be lukewarm to the project and needed a little persuasion.

Conclusion
It is quite obvious that the Revisionists are hunted down in similar fashion as German ‘war criminals’. The fact is that, on the whole, the Germans behaved no worse (and often much better) during the war than both the Russians and the Western Allies. But truth is always the first victim of war and Germany is still suffering occupation and classic ‘Sieger Justiz’.

The Jews need the Holocaust. To serve their national passtime, wailing, to hide their atrocities in Russia, and to pave the way for Zionism.

It is no coincidence that Putin, last year, promised to jail Holocaust deniers for five years. He also outlawed criticizing Stalin’s handling of the war. Both the Russian and German States have a lot to hide from their peoples and cannot allow them to come to terms with what actually happened to them in these dark years.

There is no doubt that the ethnic cleansing of Eastern Europe by the Germans was a brutal affair. Families were ripped apart. Many innocent people were taken from their homes and used as slaves. Many died.

But the idea of an industrial scale genocide through gassing is unsustainable vis a vis the evidence that has been painstakingly put together by Revisionists over the last four decades or so.

The notion that an 86 year old lady like Ursula Haverbeck deserves prosecution, let alone incarcaration, simply for speaking her mind on this most crucial of historical issues, just shows the utter moral bankruptcy of the German State, International Jewry and their many lackeys in the Academia and Media.

Ursula Haverbeck’s basic message is simply that it is time to end this unreal defamation, weighing so heavily on the German people’s soul, and to allow them to mourn, at long last, their many dead.
 

rotekz

Ostrich
Gold Member
^^^ In that blog post a writing by David Cole, perhaps as a book, is mentioned:

A major blow to the official Holocaust narrative was delivered by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole, in the eighties. He interviewed the camp’s management with a hidden camera and they admitted no people were gassed in the supposed ‘gas chamber’ they were showing to tourists. Cole had to go underground after publishing his findings. He made a career for himself in the Republican Party as David Stein, but was outed a few years ago. He wrote an entertaining account of his travails since.

There are no links and no detail of a title. Do you know what writing it refers to? I have tried searching Amazon under 'David Cole' and 'David Stein' and get pages of crap.

EDIT: Duh! It was on the first page! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Republican-Party-Animal-Hollywoods-Underground-ebook/dp/B00H6UZZKC/

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rotekz said:
^^^ In that blog post a writing by David Cole, perhaps as a book, is mentioned:

A major blow to the official Holocaust narrative was delivered by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole, in the eighties. He interviewed the camp’s management with a hidden camera and they admitted no people were gassed in the supposed ‘gas chamber’ they were showing to tourists. Cole had to go underground after publishing his findings. He made a career for himself in the Republican Party as David Stein, but was outed a few years ago. He wrote an entertaining account of his travails since.

There are no links and no detail of a title. Do you know what writing it refers to? I have tried searching Amazon under 'David Cole' and 'David Stein' and get pages of crap.


There are still multiple videos of him on Youtube. Some pages back we linked to an "apology" letter that he publishes years later where he stated bluntly that EVERYTHING IS AS THE OFFICIAL HOLOCOUST HISTORIANS HAVE SAID. It was obvious that he had to backtrack publicly.

But he recently seems to have gone on Red Ice, so I guess he does not care anymore at this time:


He has some blog somewhere, but no idea whether it's still online.

Though I might add - there are "debunking" sites out there that display various information to the contrary:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/06/debunking-david-coles-auschwitz-video.html

If anyone wants to take a deep hard look into that site, though this might get quite time consuming.
 
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