That Ron Unz article is possibly the best piece Ive ever read on the denialism debate and its origins. Even better that it's coming from a Jew.
scorpion said:Ron Unz has come out with a lengthy and well-sourced post about his skepticism toward the official Holocaust narrative.
Longshanks said:David Cole/Stein heavily criticised Ron Unz's holocaust piece and he's the guy with the most expertise that I've seen. The holocaust was real with numbers exaggerated and lots of Auschwitz myths is the summary.
Teedub said:So does Speer in his two diaries, which remain two of my most enjoyable books to ever read.
Teedub said:In all fairness, none of that is particularly groundbreaking stuff. Goebbels was a fervent anti-semite, and probably the chief one — I know that without watching the doc you did. He also had 2 PhDs, was a great filmmaker, so it also doesn't surprise me that he did well with chicks — especially in an era where being intelligent academically was still a 'DHV', ha. He did have a limp though.
Hitler was much more normal than made out in mainstream TV docs, but history books by non-revisionist historians/mainstream historians acknowledge this. So does Speer in his two diaries, which remain two of my most enjoyable books to ever read. Utterly fascinating, as I've said previously on this thread. Hitler practised theatre acting in order to orate effectively, and boy did it pay off, he's the best populist speaker in history. He was somewhat an isolated, insular character (thus described a a weirdo by mainstream doc makers often), but this is typical with many talented thinkers/performers.
Himmler was a dork on a power trip. Hitler was always embarrassed by his obsession with the esoteric. Middle management-style sycophancy was how he rose to prominence. Heydrich, his subordinate, was far more the fanatic when it came to Jews and exterminating them. By the way nomad, would you mind telling me the series you watched?
MV Wilhelm Gustloff was a German military transport ship which was sunk on 30 January 1945 by Soviet submarine S-13 in the Baltic Sea while evacuating German civilians, German officials and military personnel from Gotenhafen (now Gdynia) as the Red Army advanced. By one estimate, 9,400 people died, which makes it the largest loss of life in a single ship sinking in history
911 said:Interesting angle of demography, in case it hasn't been brought up before:
"[Jews] did not disappear in 1941 or 1943, or, 1944, or, 1945. But some 4-5 million Jews disappeared between 1950 and 1955!
This defines an until now undescribed holocaust. If it has been executed in Auschwitz or any other former camp in then Poland (<--huh?), it must be the Soviets or the Poles who are the guilty perpetrators. The basis of this discovery is the estimate of the Jewish world population by the World Almanac, published by the "American Jewish Committee, USA".
From 1933 until 1949, each single volume of the yearly edition invariably estimates 15,000,000 to 18,600,000 Jewish persons worldwide. But in 1950 all of a sudden 4 million disappear, to reappear in 1951 and again disappear in 1955. Jewish figures include all Jews whether members of a synagogue or not.
In case anyone missed it I posted in the JQ thread the documentary 'Other Losses' by James Baque that investigates these US death camps.911 said:This is what a real death camp looks like: no barracks, toilet facilities, swimming pool, theater, dining halls, intramural soccer league and field, library, like the residents of work camps like Auschwitz had, just a bare open field with little food and no running water where men and women withered away from the elements.