Holocaust fact finding thread

J.E.

Robin
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Makes a lot of sense. The holohoax is purely psychological and is the only thing that unites all Jews. Jews were never united; you always had the atheist, orthodox and liberal (banking) Jews. It is similar to the Jews that were divided into Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes 2000 years ago. The only thing that unites them is universal victim and revenge mentality (holocaust). It is interesting to note that all nations have a divine myth of their origin, the connotation of being heroic and supernatural, while the holohoax is pure victimhood and laughable.

"But in my imagination it was true!"


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typtre

Robin
Makes a lot of sense. The holohoax is purely psychological and is the only thing that unites all Jews. Jews were never united; you always had the atheist, orthodox and liberal (banking) Jews. It is similar to the Jews that were divided into Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes 2000 years ago. The only thing that unites them is universal victim and revenge mentality (holocaust). It is interesting to note that all nations have a divine myth of their origin, the connotation of being heroic and supernatural, while the holohoax is pure victimhood and laughable.

"But in my imagination it was true!"


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I have seen that one before. It is still one of the funniest pieces on the Holohoax out here :D
There is one where a lady says "we play that card all the time" which is not as funny but still as red pilling as this one!

But that meme :laughter:
 

Philonous

Pigeon
Well, I wanted to write something like “when I became a Holocaust denier”, yet I couldn’t remember the exact date. Sometime during 2018.

Before discussing my reasons for finally accepting it is a false history, let me say one of the biggest things holding me back is I didn’t want to suddenly have a bunch of skinheads pressuring me to join their group.

First of all, I’m Christian. It doesn’t mean I disregard the fact there are different races, but rather, there was no time in Christ’s ministry when he said, “This is the race I’m dying for.”

Likewise, even though he told the Canaanite woman he wasn’t sent to minister for her group, once she made it clear she had more faith than most of his own, she was granted healing.

Ergo, there’s a fundamental divergence between myself and the white separatists—a difference in “life’s priorities”. Only that’s not what they want to hear. As far as they’re concerned, they’re an army, you’re a potential recruit—as well as a likely threat if you don’t jump onboard.

Well, what gradually happened is just stopped talking like a skinhead myself. Started cussing less—following the Book of James more, getting a handle on my own tongue. I started thinking more in terms of “I love Christ” rather than “I hate Jews”. And as I became less like the separatists internally, I discovered I attracted less of them online.

At any rate, let’s now talk about the Holocaust.

The Germans started mass producing sarin in 1939. 200 times more deadly than cyanide. They created this knowing they probably wouldn’t use it in battle—in fact, they never did, regardless of miserably they started losing to the Soviets after 1942.

Simply put, there was too much a risk that if the Germans used sarin on the Soviets, the Soviets would then use battlefield chlorine on the Germans—and you can’t control where the wind blows chlorine; it could easily devastate German civilian populations.

Now let’s consider Zyklon-B. Cyanide impregnated into gypsum pellets. How do you get the cyanide out? Heat the pellets to 80 degrees F (or 26.6 degrees Celsius). Have to do that in the dead of winter. Merely dropping it on a cold concrete floor in a room full of people does nothing.

So what do you think the Jews claimed the Germans killed them with? Sarin? Other available nerve agents like Tabun and Soman? Battlefield chlorine?

Nope. They claimed Zyklon-B.

They also claimed “carbon monoxide from diesel exhaust”. Supposedly, half the Nazi concentration camps were gassing Jews with Zyklon, the other half with repurposed diesel engines.

Why not petroleum engines? Diesel exhaust never gets more 0.1% CO. Petroleum engine exhaust, in contrast, is between 1% and 12% CO.

Nobel Prize winning German chemists suddenly stupid?

It gets even worse. You know what Europe lit its street lamps with back in the 1930’s and 40’s? Producer gas. It’s basically coal gas with a petrochemical added to create sufficient illumination. Producer gas is 20% CO (it’s also what “modern ovens” at the time were heated with—the reason it was so easy to kill yourself just by holding your head in an unlit oven).

Nuremberg Trials claim 700 people/day were incinerated in the individual crematory ovens of Nazi concentration camps. Last year Europe ran news reports its 21st century crematory ovens were overwhelmed by 4 Covid corpses/day.

Half of Anne Frank’s diary was written in ball point pens. They were invented in Argentina in 1942, and they only places they were sold to during the war were the US and British air forces, as it was a non-spill quick drying pen that bomber pilots could use for noting maps. The chances of a girl hiding in an Amsterdam house attic writing a diary with one of those inventions is nil.

Anne Frank’s father said he lost contact with his daughter when the Nazis transferred him to a prisoner’s infirmary at a separate death camp. Why’s a death camp have an “infirmary” for prisoners?

And so what you have in the end is an “event” documented entirely by “anecdotal data”—both from former prisoners of war who hated their captors, and the now captured Nazi officers who would confess to anything during the daytime trials in order to escape being tortured in their cells at night.

Then people say, “Well what about the story of Jesus in the Bible—isn’t that just ‘anecdotal evidence’.”

Technically, yes, but it’s evidence that makes sense with everything that came beforehand in the Bible—to dismiss it is to dismiss the entire Bible itself. Dismiss biblical events like the captivity of the Jews in Babylon, or the fall of Nineveh in 612BC, yet there’s actual physical evidence these events occurred.

In contrast, the Holocaust is based on the idea the Germans—having reached an uncommon level of civility and sophistication by the 1930’s—would then suddenly descend into a barbaric level of genocide more befitting the bygone Huns or Mongols. And no reasoning behind any of it—one decade they were zealously philosemitic, the next, genocidally antisemitic.

And so whereas you can build a very strong forensic case using the framework of the Bible for Jesus’ existence, for his crucifixion and resurrection—and for him being very much the only begotten Son of God—you can’t build a strong forensic case using the framework of 19th and 20th century history for the Holocaust coming about.

Also, keep in mind that whereas Mark and Luke may have used Matthew as a reference (that’s why those 3 are called the “synoptic gospels”), John is of a noticeably different writing style—yet its content in no way disagrees with the former 3. Similarly, the epistles and Revelation in now way disagree—the content (when kept in context) is perfectly harmonious.

Such cannot be said for individual accounts of “Holocaust survivors”. One person insists inmates were thrown alive into the crematoria, another insists they were gassed. Still another insists they were thrown alive onto a large outdoor pyre and turned completely to ash within the hour.

It is a silly story meant to get reparations from the Germans, as well as guilt Christians by saying, “Your Christian leaders knew this was going on and they did nothing—so much for ‘Christian morality’.” And on the Jewish side it encourages solidarity and makes an argument for why Jews should relocate to Palestine.

As far as the rest of WWII, the way Hitler behaved after losing control of Stalingrad (which was a strategically worthless city, and taken only to embarrass Stalin) shows a very real imperialism had entered into the German leader. And so although may have begun his chancellorship as a Christian, but he absolutely didn’t finish as one—he was operating under no heavenly guidance after 1941.

As for why the Russians still insist the Holocaust is real, the Russians suffered just as miserably as the Wehrmacht with Hitler’s refusal to withdraw after the war turned against him in Stalingrad—even more so, as the USSR hadn’t signed the Geneva protocols, and so the Germans had no compunctions against starving to death their Soviet POWs. In that sense the Nazi concentration camps actually were “death camps” for Russians—the Germans would not feed them.

And so once the Soviets saw the Zionist banker-controlled western powers doing their own revenge-seeking on the Nazi officers with these Holocaust trials, that quick they were 100% onboard. It then became a Russian cultural dictum. Even so, I imagine a Russian would consider me absurd for suggesting he disbelieve in the Holocaust when it is my country—not his—which almost constantly bows to Israel on foreign policy.
 

LonelyDn

Chicken
RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread

Agreed. I have a family member (non Jewish) who survived auschwitz. I never spoke to him directly but I have spoken to his son.

In general it was pretty horrible and a lot of the killing methods described were used there. Groups who tried to escape were mowed down by machine guns. I was only told a handful of stories a long time ago but in general it was so bad that his father rarely talked about it.

The only peculiar thing that he mentioned, as do many Poles, is that from a qualitative standpoint there didn't seem to be that many Jews there (at least not like how Spielberg depicted in Schindlers List). And this leads to one noticing multiple peculiarities. The one OP mentioned is criminalizing holocaust denial. Another is lumping in the exaggeration of deaths (especially of Jews) with outright holocaust denial, we see this tactic constantly used by the mainstream (i.e. associating the reptilian overlord conspiracy with the 9/11 conspiracy).

The biggest one perhaps is the enshrinement of "The Holocaust", its Jewish identity, and the value and coverage it gets in education and history. Back in high school a teacher of mine deducted points on a paper I wrote because I referenced it as World War II. Well no apparently that's wrong because it gets its own special place in history above anyone else that was killed. The more one looks at WWII in Europe the more one sees that it was really just a regional war where Hitler wanted to eliminate Slavs to make living space. In east Asia it was another regional war with the Japanese trying to eliminate everyone else, but especially the Chinese. But we never learn it from this point of view. Instead it's just another example of how the Jews are the most oppressed victims yet again and that any accusations of wrongdoing on their part are baseless (and never examined). With so many atrocities and deaths committed to non Jews all over the world during WWII alone, as well as genocides and massacres such as the Holdomor or Katyn following WWII, it doesn't take a lot of brainpower to wonder if there's something odd about the emphasis of "the Jewish Holocaust."
Have you seen Europa The Last Battle? If not, I'd be curious of your opinion of it.
 

Grow Bag

Kingfisher
As for why the Russians still insist the Holocaust is real, the Russians suffered just as miserably as the Wehrmacht with Hitler’s refusal to withdraw after the war turned against him in Stalingrad—even more so, as the USSR hadn’t signed the Geneva protocols, and so the Germans had no compunctions against starving to death their Soviet POWs. In that sense the Nazi concentration camps actually were “death camps” for Russians—the Germans would not feed them.

And so once the Soviets saw the Zionist banker-controlled western powers doing their own revenge-seeking on the Nazi officers with these Holocaust trials, that quick they were 100% onboard. It then became a Russian cultural dictum. Even so, I imagine a Russian would consider me absurd for suggesting he disbelieve in the Holocaust when it is my country—not his—which almost constantly bows to Israel on foreign policy.
It benefits the Russians in many ways to uphold the Holocaust narrative. Being seen as the liberators hides a multitude of sins. I wonder how many people know about the Holodomor or that the Soviets stormed Poland two weeks after Germany? Although the Jewish media magnates are no friends of Russians, they'll happily memory hole the far more egregious actions of Stalin to keep the Holocaust left, right and centre and the Russians know this.
 

typtre

Robin

Weh... here we go. Now the jew has lobbied in the Swedish halls of power to make denying this illegal. Sellout Goy socialist minister of Justice Morgan Johansson procalims it was the worst genocide in history and we cannot be allowed to shuffle around the cards of history. He could not even start his sentence without shuffling history around himself.
If something is true, there is no need to enforce thought. If the jew's version of history is right, it should have nothing to to be afraid of.

But the jew is visibly shaking in fear.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
For those who haven't gone through this entire thread, here is some info on the post-WW2 genocide of the German people:




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An American Rhine-Meadows Camp Guard Speaks Out.

03-10-2018
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The following is an excerpt from the testimony of a former soldier and guard at the Rhine-Meadows camps, Martin Brech
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. The Rheinwiesenlager or Rhine meadow camps, were a group of 19 camps built in the Allied occupied part of Germany by the U.S. Army to hold captured German soldiers at the close of the Second World War.

“In October 1944, at age eighteen, I was drafted into the U.S. army. Largely because of the “Battle of the Bulge,” my training was cut short, my furlough was halved, and I was sent overseas immediately. Upon arrival in Le Havre, France, we were quickly loaded into box cars and shipped to the front. When we got there, I was suffering increasingly severe symptoms of mononucleosis, and was sent to a hospital in Belgium. Since mononucleosis was then known as the “kissing disease,” I mailed a letter of thanks to my girlfriend.
By the time I left the hospital, the outfit I had trained with in Spartanburg, South Carolina, was deep inside Germany, so, despite my protests, I 18 years old, was placed in a “repo depot” (replacement depot). I lost interest in the units to which I was assigned, and don’t recall all of them: non-combat units were ridiculed at that time. My separation qualification record states I was mostly with Company C, 14th Infantry Regiment, nickname “Golden Dragons”
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, during my seventeen-month stay in Germany, but I remember being transferred to other outfits also.
In late March or early April 1945, I was sent to guard a POW camp near Andernach along the Rhine. I had four years of high school German, so I was able to talk to the prisoners, although this was forbidden. Gradually, however, I was used as an interpreter and asked to ferret out members of the S.S. (I found none.)
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In Andernach about 50,000 prisoners of all ages were held in an open field surrounded by barbed wire. The women were kept in a separate enclosure that I did not see until later. The men I guarded had no shelter and no blankets. Many had no coats. They slept in the mud, wet and cold, with inadequate slit trenches for excrement. It was a cold, wet spring, and their misery from exposure alone was evident.
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Even more shocking was to see the prisoners throwing grass and weeds into a tin can containing a thin soup. They told me they did this to help ease their hunger pains. Quickly they grew emaciated. Dysentery raged, and soon they were sleeping in their own excrement, too weak and crowded to reach the slit trenches. Many were begging for food, sickening and dying before our eyes. We had ample food and supplies, but did nothing to help them, including no medical assistance.
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Outraged, I protested to my officers and was met with hostility or bland indifference. When pressed, they explained they were under strict orders from “higher up.” No officer would dare do this to 50,000 men if he felt that it was “out of line,” leaving him open to charges. Realizing my protests were useless, I asked a friend working in the kitchen if he could slip me some extra food for the prisoners. He too said they were under strict orders to severely ration the prisoners’ food, and that these orders came from “higher up.” But he said they had more food than they knew what to do with, and would sneak me some.
When I threw this food over the barbed wire to the prisoners, I was caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the “offense,” and one officer angrily threatened to shoot me. I assumed this was a bluff until I encountered a captain on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, “Why?,” he mumbled, “Target practice,” and fired until his pistol was empty. I saw the women running for cover, but, at that distance, couldn’t tell if any had been hit .

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German dead piled up in Allied concentration camp

This is when I realized I was dealing with cold-blooded killers filled with moralistic hatred. They considered the Germans subhuman and worthy of extermination; another expression of the downward spiral of racism. Articles in the G.I. newspaper, Stars and Stripes, played up the German concentration camps, complete with photos of emaciated bodies. This amplified our self-righteous cruelty, and made it easier to imitate behavior we were supposed to oppose. Also, I think, soldiers not exposed to combat were trying to prove how tough they were by taking it out on the prisoners and civilians.”

Many of these died from starvation, dehydration and exposure to the weather elements because no structures were built inside the prison compounds.

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A postwar plan devised by Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr. was initialed (and presumably approved) by both Roosevelt and Churchill. The Morgenthau Plan, as it came to be known, was beyond punitive: Germany was to be divided into occupation zones, its industry destroyed, crushing reparations imposed, and large sections of its population forcibly resettled to wipe out the German capacity for war once and for all. It was, by modern standards, practically a blueprint for national genocide insofar as millions of Germans would have to starve or relocate to make it work.

Everett Hughes was all in favor of the Morgenthau Plan, but after the PR disaster that followed the October release of some of the details, he was cautious. On November 4, Hughes sent a memo to Eisenhower urging him to classify details of prisoners’ rations as top secret. Eisenhower agreed. The reason for Hughes’ interest in rations lies in the legal distinction he and others on Eisenhower’s staff had made. Surrendered Germans, they decided, would not be classed as POWs, but under a new and totally made-up designation of “disarmed enemy forces” (DEFs). As DEFs, rather than POWs, the men would be entitled to none of the Geneva Convention’s protections. The American forces would not even be obliged to feed their captives, and they could legally — so went the argument — bar the Red Cross from inspecting their Rheinwiesenlager camps or sending relief aid.

Under their new legal status, the defeated German soldiers would almost literally become unpersons, a vulnerable position compounded by the fact that after the surviving German statesmen were arrested in Flensburg, German veterans didn’t even have a government to advocate for them anymore. They were perfectly helpless and totally at the mercy of the U.S. Army.

There is only one reason to strip prisoners of war of the legal status that protects them from mistreatment: to mistreat them. According to a 1989 book on the subject, Other Losses, by Canadian writer James Bacque, at least 800,000, and “quite likely over a million” prisoners lost their lives in American-operated Rheinwiesenlager camps during the summer and fall of 1945.




 
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Sword and Board

Woodpecker
Average British guy: “we could be speaking German”

As he strolls through Londinstan not having heard the English language spoke for several blocks. His daughter probably being groomed by foreign rape gangs.

His feminist ex wife whom left him when (((Globocorp))) ditched him for “economical” Indian slaves.

His family Church growing up now a mosque or a center for refugees.

Christianity and traditional Brits mocked incessantly on the (((tv)))and (((newspapers))). The new religion is (((progress))). And the white conservative, Christian Brit is the enemy of this neo post ww2 revelation.

All brought about pioneered and conspired by the very (((people))) the traditional Christian conservative Brit saved from those apparently bloodthirsty demonic Germans that spent the majority of their war effort and manpower sowing Jewish lampshade skins and 24/7 round the clock pizza ovens.

Funny way to repay the people that saved you from such ridiculous claims. More like contempt, hatred and gamma rage on steroids.

it’s as if, the people “saved” are not as iinnocent as they so proclaim, gasp, perhaps they were the agitators and aggressors. But I suppose hundreds of years of history and recounts of their grabbler ways and nation destroying can be ignored because “muh Holocaust”

All is well, Hell isnt so bad. After all, you could be speaking German. The horror right.
 
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