I question how old the people are who have this view. I can tell you from being a few years removed from college that school is not like it was 20 years ago. They are indoctrination camps and your kids can be abused, bullied for not being pro lgbtbbq, etc.. You don't need to send your kids to indoctrination camps to become socialized. Have you seen the average college student recently? They are basically all autistic! They're not socialized. You don't want your kids stuck in a room for 8 hours with fat, no-life liberal women who hate men and hate God being their authority. There are plenty of other ways to socialize for kids. They can play sports, other hobbies, participate in church, etc...I have made this argument on this forum in the past. I do not know how exactly homeschooling works, but I will say that the social environment in middle school and high school is important for a person's development. If kids are raised in an isolated envornment at home , they will have trouble when they reach this environment later on. Lots of college kids got some pretty hard shock therapy after being the quiet kids and high school and suddenly being immersed in the college environment. The other students are ultimately the greater influence on your kids. See what the student body of a school is like and if you want your kids to end up like them.
This is something I don't get about people who oppose homeschool because kids won't have opportunities to socialize with their peers. How about putting them in enriching activities they actually want to be in, with other kids that also want to be there? There are so many better ways for kids to socialize with each other outside of public schools.There are plenty of other ways to socialize for kids. They can play sports, other hobbies, participate in church, etc...
Lots of college kids got some pretty hard shock therapy after being the quiet kids and high school and suddenly being immersed in the college environment.
Have you seen the average college student recently? They are basically all autistic!
I do not know how exactly homeschooling works, but I will say that the social environment in middle school and high school is important for a person's development.
The other students are ultimately the greater influence on your kids. See what the student body of a school is like and if you want your kids to end up like them.
How in the world is a social environment in middle and high school important for a person's development?! It is in fact detrimental for a person's development, being exposed to these tyrannical beurocratic teachers and abusive bullies, fascists all of them! From personal experience in the US, kids at my school smelled glue as a past time. I realized even then that I don't want to belong to the same society as these people. I am personally glad that I got out of that swamp in right time.
What is "socialization" in modern schools anyways, becoming an obedient member of the society, to be turned into mindless biological robots? No, better to be a free thinker. Better to be a lone wolf than a herd sheep.
I would disagree. College is completely different from school. The college students that I interacted with were all intellectuals, respectful, virtuous individuals. There were no bullies, no obnoxious people who would throw books around the class room during the lesson, no arrogant "popular" kids, no glue smellers.
That social environment that you speak of is exactly the danger. They will undermine every value. Open every nihilistic door. Twist every fact.
It is exactly due to peer influence that I don't plan on sending any of my children to school, private or public. There are a handful of decent private schools out there, but even in most private schools there will be a massive amount of propaganda and filth filtering in. I'm surprised you see the power of peer influence but don't see how invariably this is going to work against good parents in this deranged society.
I agree this seems to be a trend, among the kids of the educated. I am in a smaller city in rural California, and I previously lived in the urban ghetto. At the college I attended (in rural small city in California), most of the first generation college students where and are totally fine as far as being properly socialized. The students are overwhelmingly conservative (including the non-white students) despite the liberal propaganda from the school.the average college student recently? They are basically all autistic! They're not socialized.
I will diverge the argument here and say it is important for boys/men to be exposed to the harshness of the real world. At some point you must learn to say no to drugs. At some point you must learn to face bullies. Social aptitude is VERY important. For girls I think being too exposed to the world is not a good thing. I do not know much about raising girls, I just know which ones I like and which ones I do not.
In college I faced the exact same social environment as in a middle school. There where bullies and arrogant "popular kids" and glue smellers. There were also intellectual, respectful, virtuous individuals. I learned from being around all of these people.
That's good. It's also anecdotal and I say that as someone who can understand both sides of the argument.I was fully homeschooled during my high school years, and immediately after went to college. I was basically working alone in my homeschool, basically having to teach myself the subjects using the internet. It was indeed an isolated environment. Yes, I was suddenly immersed in the college environment, not having nothing similar before. Although adjusting to the increased work load was difficult at first, I soon got the hang of it, and went on to be pretty successful in my college career. I don't understand what do you mean by "hard shock therapy". You are throwing around vague terms without defining them. I think that if someone is disciplined, then he can adjust to the work load.
Back in 1996 - 1997, the large Youth group (80 - 120 kids) that I assisted with and chaperoned a few camps and ski trips - did a "study" of their Pub-lick schools and showed camcorder videos of multiple same sex couples (white couples mostly) openly kissing on school grounds before, during class exchange, during lunch and after school (a few High schools).The kids in school themselves were ruthlessly homophobic all throughout school. There was not a single openly gay kid. It as unheard of. (I graduated from HS in a large city in 2014)