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<blockquote data-quote="Jacob Robinson" data-source="post: 1361703" data-attributes="member: 18849">Have been thinking about the &quot;socialization&quot; argument against home schooling some more as of late.Supposedly school is to get children ready for adult life.&nbsp; So how is that working out?&nbsp; Not the reading, writing, and arithmetic part, (or the other 3 R&#039;s: rioting, rebellion, and race-baiting) but that glorious thing called socialization?&nbsp; Well, how socialized are adults these days?&nbsp; Anyone who works in an office these days knows how rotten the office politics are, basically everywhere.&nbsp; And who does not face salesmen, repairmen, etc., whose sole function in life is to try to gain one&#039;s trust just so they can royally screw them over?&nbsp; And what about real politics -- could it be any worse?&nbsp; Where did they learn that behavior? How are office politics different from high school cliques?&nbsp; Is it not the queen bee or the big-man-on-campus who ends up the boss?&nbsp; And then hires and fires based on loyalty, keeps people around just long enough to throw them under the bus, and knows just how to suck up to the superiors.&nbsp; No need for an MBA, they leaned all they need to know in public school socialization as they stepped on others and threw others away to sit at the cool kid&#039;s table.&nbsp; How about the bum who tries to be friends with someone just to convince them to do their homework--fabulous training for future used car salesmen, dishonest mechanics, et al.&nbsp; How do they sleep at night?&nbsp; Easy, been doing it since they were a kid.&nbsp; Socialization pays.How about the lazy but clever creep who is part of a group assignment, never does much of anything, but then turns in the project personally to the teacher and awe-shucks lets it be known they were the brains behind it all.&nbsp; Yep, they&#039;ll shoot up the corporate ladder (at least until they can not find anything to steal, then they will come down just as fast.)&nbsp; &nbsp; Another socialization success story.What about the kids, you know the ones, always running for student council.&nbsp; They want your vote, but only because they have already begun building their credentials...punching their tickets.&nbsp; Or worse, they think they know better than everyone else.&nbsp; &quot;Vote for me!&nbsp; I don&#039;t care who you are.&nbsp; Vote for me!&nbsp; I am important!&quot;&nbsp; This &quot;meritocracy&quot; people talk about is asinine, there is no merit in sight, rather it is kissing up to authority and ticket punching.&nbsp; Want to know a reason why adult politics are so messed up?&nbsp; Because they learned it as kids, it is called socialization.In short, for many, socialization means learning how to be the predator, or how to get used to being the prey.&nbsp; Some of the prey commits suicide in school--socialized too much too fast, or they slowly die the rest of their life.&nbsp; Well, to Hell with all that.&nbsp; Literally, the whole wretched mess belongs in Hell.I think kids should spend time with their peers, but good peers, and in at least slightly monitored situations.&nbsp; And they should be taught and warned about the people warped by socialization that they will have to deal with in life.&nbsp; They should be prepared to be neither predator nor prey in society, but to change society, and very few will be prepared to do so by running the socialization gauntlet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jacob Robinson, post: 1361703, member: 18849"] Have been thinking about the "socialization" argument against home schooling some more as of late. Supposedly school is to get children ready for adult life. So how is that working out? Not the reading, writing, and arithmetic part, (or the other 3 R's: rioting, rebellion, and race-baiting) but that glorious thing called socialization? Well, how socialized are adults these days? Anyone who works in an office these days knows how rotten the office politics are, basically everywhere. And who does not face salesmen, repairmen, etc., whose sole function in life is to try to gain one's trust just so they can royally screw them over? And what about real politics -- could it be any worse? Where did they learn that behavior? How are office politics different from high school cliques? Is it not the queen bee or the big-man-on-campus who ends up the boss? And then hires and fires based on loyalty, keeps people around just long enough to throw them under the bus, and knows just how to suck up to the superiors. No need for an MBA, they leaned all they need to know in public school socialization as they stepped on others and threw others away to sit at the cool kid's table. How about the bum who tries to be friends with someone just to convince them to do their homework--fabulous training for future used car salesmen, dishonest mechanics, [I]et al[/I]. How do they sleep at night? Easy, been doing it since they were a kid. Socialization pays. How about the lazy but clever creep who is part of a group assignment, never does much of anything, but then turns in the project personally to the teacher and awe-shucks lets it be known they were the brains behind it all. Yep, they'll shoot up the corporate ladder (at least until they can not find anything to steal, then they will come down just as fast.) Another socialization success story. What about the kids, you know the ones, always running for student council. They want your vote, but only because they have already begun building their credentials...punching their tickets. Or worse, they think they know better than everyone else. "Vote for me! I don't care who you are. Vote for me! I am important!" This "meritocracy" people talk about is asinine, there is no merit in sight, rather it is kissing up to authority and ticket punching. Want to know a reason why adult politics are so messed up? Because they learned it as kids, it is called socialization. In short, for many, socialization means learning how to be the predator, or how to get used to being the prey. Some of the prey commits suicide in school--socialized too much too fast, or they slowly die the rest of their life. Well, to Hell with all that. Literally, the whole wretched mess belongs in Hell. I think kids should spend time with their peers, but good peers, and in at least slightly monitored situations. And they should be taught and warned about the people warped by socialization that they will have to deal with in life. They should be prepared to be neither predator nor prey in society, but to change society, and very few will be prepared to do so by running the socialization gauntlet. [/QUOTE]

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