Enigma said:
File that under "ships that already left port and disappeared over the horizon" because while it is a positive step to at least close the borders, the infestation has already taken root.
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File that under "ships that already left port and disappeared over the horizon" because while it is a positive step to at least close the borders, the infestation has already taken root.
Foolsgo1d said:
Foolsgold:
I don't agree with what you're saying here. These problems can and should be dealt with without resorting to "WW3."
In the short term, you can and should defeat Islamist radical movements. It can be done provided the right tactics are used and you're prepared to take the gloves off. It's an insurgency, pure and simple. Don't make them out to be more than they are: that's what they want you to do, to make you afraid of them.
If we look at Algeria in the 1990s, Sri Lanka in the early 2000s, and some other insurgencies (Syria in the 1980s), we can learn the answers.
That's the military solution.
In terms of political solutions, they need to stop overthrowing the autoritarian dictators in the Middle East who kept these rabble under control. They overthrew Saddam and Qhaddafi, and are trying to overthrow Assad, and this is what happens. Blowback.
And on the home front, the culture needs to change so that the martial virtues are again valued. (That will take a long time, but it's possible).
Quintus Curtius said:
This is a very good article I stumbled across. It basically argues that the Regressive Left (as opposed to the genuine Left) are the 'useful idiots' to Islamism.
Rest of the article is in the link. It's a must read.
http://quillette.com/2016/05/05/free-speech-and-islam-the-left-betrays-the-most-vulnerable/
Foolsgo1d said:
thanks, I was asking a legitimate question as I wasn't clear on what you meant.
As for the "are you prepared to make war" part. Well, a colossal world war, in the middle east that kills at least a billion people...Where have I heard that before?
ah right, The book of Revelations. My answer for "are you prepared" is yes, in fact the war has already begun. The crusades lasted what 200 years? The middle east has been a 'world' war zone since the US got involved for only what 20 years now?
The middle east could simmer and boil with bloodshed for another generation or more before the real mount of olives showdown takes place. The war has started, its now only a matter of "how long" before its finished. I'm sure the muslims feel the same way, as the Quran also culminates in some kind of apocalypse anchored in the middle east.
its actually unnerving for me, as when I was a teenager I scoffed that the apocalypitc war would be in the middle east. I was convinced it would be america/russia not a bunch of, at the time, disorganized camel riders fighting with military surplus against each other (Iran/Iraq). Now its real. America and Russia are right in there and the locals are having a deadly global outreach campaign. Two superpowers fighting it out on middle eastern turf, with China pulling a 3rd man in move once it looks like there is a clear loser and a weakened winner could easily all happen on a middle east stage.
So, I don't think its a question of "are you prepared" I think its "get prepared" as it has already begun, way back in 1990.
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Quintus Curtius said:
Quintus, maybe you have already written about this somewhere....but have you ever thought about the fact that maybe it was 100% intentional to overthrow exactly those hardcore rulers who actually kept their populations in check, with the specific intention of causing the present chaos.
I cant help but wonder about that....these 2 were for the most part "secular" style dictators and they got rid of them.
Even in Syria and Turkey....who are the leaders they are against and who do they support ?
Makes you think.
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@Mercenary:
I agree, it was intentional. And it was done for very specific purposes. But that takes us into other areas....
@Mercenary:
I agree, it was intentional. And it was done for very specific purposes. But that takes us into other areas....
Foolsgo1d
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Quintus Curtius said:
But I'm not afraid of them, I fear the actions of Western civilisation should the gloves come off.
I fear not the actions of the few low IQ, sexually frustrated beta terrorists in the sea of people but the millions who will fall head-first into the breach once they feel their existence is threatened. Both Muslims and Westerners.
An insurgency is only destroyed if you deny it ground to exist. Civilians are the insurgency. The same reason the US military couldn't stop the NVA is because they were unwilling to exterminate on a nation-wide scale a populace who could at a drop of a hat (literally) turn around with a gun kill you.
The same happened in Afghanistan and Iraq. We went in balls deep and stayed too long. US Marines were target practice for snipers in urban centres and kids with Russian anti-armour hand held devices.
Those casualties on our side wouldn't exist if the civilian population was pacified. How can an enemy attack you if there is no body of population to pull fighters from it?
Its why I want them removed and prevented from entering our countries. How the hell do they operate if they're not even here to begin with?
Whats done is done and now the gates are open. We cannot expect our governments to have learned this lesson when there is still talk of hitting Assad in order to replace him. God help us if Hillary gets in.
Quintus Curtius said:
I think it needs to be talked about, and loudly. We are digging our heads into sand for quite a while and it hasn't done us any favor. We must stop and ask ourselves once "For whose sake are we doing this ?" and by this i mean NOT talking about perpetrators of schemes that are bringing us to ruin.
Remember, we have nothing to lose anymore. Even if we pretend to be 100% politically correct we will still be thrown into furnace anyway.
Enigma said:
No. I think there would be massive, bloody resistance to any kind of forced removal and I don't think modern Europeans have the balls for it. Also, there aren't enough police or military to do the job if a significant percentage of the invaders start killing. Are the European countries going to arm their citizens?
Edit - And I think it is vanishingly unlikely that the general public would have the grit to support keeping the "Free shit!" tap closed once the sob story machine got running, so no, I do not think they can just stop supporting the invaders and expect them to go away on their own, even if that wouldn't cause massive unrest by the invaders in and of itself.
weambulance said:
Bro, I'm not sure what your point is.
You don't think Europeans will fight, but you don't think removing benefits will make them leave on their own.
Then what exactly are you suggesting?
My post was in response to you saying that Islam started the war, and the only way to repel them was to fight.
My point was simply that you don't have to fight all 1.6 billion Muslims just to get them out of Europe.
Enigma said:
Ah, those are two separate points, sorry.
My point about having to fight muslims is they want to kill us, whether they're here or not, and we don't have a choice in the matter. We can't just choose not to engage and expect them to leave us alone. I do not think getting them out of the west will stop their aggression, it will simply change the venue (they'll attack western tourists, perhaps). And if another intelligent Osama bin Laden type shows up wanting to play the long game, there are plenty of ways to attack us at home whether we close the borders or not.
The "we have to fight" thing was not really related to getting them out of Europe.
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I they're willing to execute a priest in his church, how soon does anyone think they'll go after the church? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they blew up Amiens or Chartres cathedral.
weambulance said:
1. You're never going to get rid of all the Muslims in the world, and it'd be suicide to even try. Ensuring that a Western tourist is never at risk is not worth a potential nuclear apocalypse.
2. 9/11 and most other terrorist attacks could have been stopped if our governments had acted on their intel.
3. 9/11 and most other terrorist attacks would not have been possible without Muslim immigration.
The only reason any of this is happening is because Western governments want it that way. ISIS could be wiped out in a week.
Enigma said:
So what you're saying is if the western governments just tried harder to stop them, Islam would be no threat? I strongly disagree.
You're suggesting we should rely on reactive behavior. That is a recipe for disaster.
If we're going to be reactive, how do you propose we stop islamic terrorists from entering our countries once they realize we're screening for an ideology? They're not all idiots. How do you detect an intelligent islamic terrorist who embraces taqiyah? How successful was the US at keeping soviet spies and sleepers out?
With a decent budget and technical competence, they don't even need to get into the country to do serious damage. I can think of a number of ways to kill an assload of Americans without ever passing through customs.
We need to show islam why attacking us is a really fucking bad idea, not just hope we can stop them every time they try. They respect strength and power, not restraint. Our lack of response to their attacks simply emboldens them and reinforces their belief that we are weak, gutless pussies.
The problem is more bureaucratic and cultural right now in the west than it has to do with actually defeating muslims elsewhere.
If you look at history the British model of conquest won a long time ago already.
The muslim factions hate each other. They kill each other often in various muslim countries and there is very little unity in that world. They are largely impoverished and not a threat from a conventional military point of view.
The mistake was western government (bureaucracy) and ivory tower liberal academia which allowed these savages to mass migrate into the heartland of western power. This would have been absolutely unthinkable in the past. This has literally brought the war right into the living room.
As I said before the cultural rot in academia is what allowed this to happen in the first place. It's white liberals who allowed this to happen.
If you look at history the British model of conquest won a long time ago already.
The muslim factions hate each other. They kill each other often in various muslim countries and there is very little unity in that world. They are largely impoverished and not a threat from a conventional military point of view.
The mistake was western government (bureaucracy) and ivory tower liberal academia which allowed these savages to mass migrate into the heartland of western power. This would have been absolutely unthinkable in the past. This has literally brought the war right into the living room.
As I said before the cultural rot in academia is what allowed this to happen in the first place. It's white liberals who allowed this to happen.
#iampriest is trending. This is funny on so many levels. Firstly it's a nominally secular group, deeply opposed to 'Christian values'. More amusing though is the fact that in a certain sense #iampriest is an exact description of what these year zero types have become - the chosen caste of a new theocracy. There is something delicious about the entirely undeliberate revelation of this profound truth.
Teutatis said:
But no one predicted these events with the timing and accuracy I have. Lots of people have said Muslims are coming but their timing has been all wrong, for example, Anders Breivik titled his manifesto 2080.
Also no one predicted the sequence of the events, which I did last year as well. If anyone want the original links I can send them, I have it on my twitter as well. Many mocked or derided me, not that I cared because I don't say things unless I have extremely good reason to believe it is true. And, I hate to brag, but I am a very sharp man.
Anyone can make wild Nostradamus claims - it takes a lot more logical skill and intellectual finesse to actually provide useful information that can be acted upon in the near future.
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