How do I stop talking about "the decline" and how bad Western countries are?

[testosterone]

Do any of you guys find it hard to stop talking about Feminists, PC culture, WOKENESS, etc...

For years, I know I used to spend hours online reading news articles from mainstream as well as ROK, this forum, etc... I found it very hard not to talk about all these topics where the last couple of years, I've really cut back on it cause it was upsetting me. I found I wasn't talking about it as much and scaring away people.

The question is, if I have a couple of drinks for example, I start going on about it. I feel like this deep anger/emotion at the world and what it has become. Western countries, all started to get bad around 2010 as we know where I was more happier before then. It's like watching your country be taken over slowly where I wanted to fight back for a long time but now I feel helpless cause the country I loved is on fire, and it's been conquered by the Left.

 

[JCSteel]

I don't think God wants people to participate in the culture wars if it doesn't nourish them spiritually. If you feel compelled to speak out don't wait until you're lit and inarticulate.

There are plenty of things to get upset about but I refuse to get worked up over every insane thing AOC says or what Fox News puts in their headlines. That's just a waste of energy.

The good news is you're not alone.

 

[holgerdanske]

The trick lies in walking your own path, not backing down to peer or public pressure, and most importantly not getting sucked into the daily drama. YT personalities like Tim Pool are the vultures of the conservative movement. He and his beanie saw an opportunity for filling a vacuum created by increased censorship and took full advantage. Paul Joseph Watson is a bit better but still cut from the same cloth. I am grateful for their contributions and for them waking up some of the normies. But it's all too easy to get emotionally involved in a myriad of topics or struggles none of us have any control over. Plus at this stage there is no saving the West anyway. The status quo that has engulfed every aspect of life has to first come crashing down under its own weight. This will probably happen a lot later than any of us would hope and in the interim we all need do our best to live a respectable and healthy life as true Christians (orthodox and everyone else).

 

[Raskolnikov]

When stuff has driven me mad periodically throughout the last years, I forced myself to take a break from news. Wasn't very easy, so the first time around I watched the entire Sopranos series over 2 weeks or so and would only talk about Sopranos with a friend who also liked it.

In general, I recommend not interacting with normies at all unless it's absolutely necessary or you feel confident that you'll be able to ignore the topic. But also, I feel like after you let it sit for a while, it becomes easier to circumvent. I have a couple of normie acquaintances whom I drink with sometimes and usually I just try to be quiet when people start going on about politics. There was a time when I would mess up a lot of relationships by way of ranting.

Also, praying and fasting, obviously. Always good in order to get a grip on yourself.

 

[Thomas More]

Do any of you guys find it hard to stop talking about Feminists, PC culture, WOKENESS, etc...

For years, I know I used to spend hours online reading news articles from mainstream as well as ROK, this forum, etc... I found it very hard not to talk about all these topics where the last couple of years, I've really cut back on it cause it was upsetting me. I found I wasn't talking about it as much and scaring away people.

The question is, if I have a couple of drinks for example, I start going on about it. I feel like this deep anger/emotion at the world and what it has become. Western countries, all started to get bad around 2010 as we know where I was more happier before then. It's like watching your country be taken over slowly where I wanted to fight back for a long time but now I feel helpless cause the country I loved is on fire, and it's been conquered by the Left.

I guess I tend to spout off about this stuff at the bar if I get a few drinks in me too, but normally I try to keep my extreme anti-woke views to myself.

I live in a big city, and I've found all the bars in the middle of town are full of liberals, but if I go to bars out in the outer suburbs, I find a lot more conservative types. Anti-vaxx, anti-immigration, anti-tranny, anti-government; that sort of thing. Ironically, it's easier to avoid getting onto a rant about this kind of thing if you know the person you're talking to is already on the same page. Then you can talk about lighter stuff like family, hobbies, work, cars and trucks, sports ball, and that sort of thing.

Of course, the customers in outer suburban bars tend to be older compared to the ones closer to the city center. I'm older as well, so I fit in, but if you are young, you might feel out of place. There definitely are people in their 20's and 30's at outer suburban bars, but there are a lot more older folks.

I find everybody is on the same page as me with these things at church too, so again it seems easier to make an offhand anti-tranny comment and leave it at that, without getting into a rant. I can talk about the scripture passage I was reading, or that sort of thing instead.

At work, I avoid political and cultural discussions as much as possible, although here as well I am lucky to work with mostly like minded people.


TL;DR Make a point to associate with like minded people, and then you won't feel as tempted to talk about it, when you know you're preaching to the choir.

 

[Blade Runner]

The truth is that even if you are occupied with other things (building stacks and plans to get out so that the clown world doesn't surround you), you also want to tell other people/your family who should know better, since the propaganda is so close to everyone, and so obvious. I think the real reason we all do it to an extent is that we are surrounded by it, that is, the lack of femininity and reasonable nature of women is gone. When you do see it, the woman is an old woman who is likely more natural to talk to, but largely is clueless, just like the boomer and older dads or grandpas are. When you get the other country eventually, it won't even be an issue, trust me. You'll just laugh at western/developed world normies and how bad the women are that they have to interact with. Then go back to sweet talking the 22 year old you just met.

 

[Lawrence87]

Do any of you guys find it hard to stop talking about Feminists, PC culture, WOKENESS, etc...

For years, I know I used to spend hours online reading news articles from mainstream as well as ROK, this forum, etc... I found it very hard not to talk about all these topics where the last couple of years, I've really cut back on it cause it was upsetting me. I found I wasn't talking about it as much and scaring away people.

The question is, if I have a couple of drinks for example, I start going on about it. I feel like this deep anger/emotion at the world and what it has become. Western countries, all started to get bad around 2010 as we know where I was more happier before then. It's like watching your country be taken over slowly where I wanted to fight back for a long time but now I feel helpless cause the country I loved is on fire, and it's been conquered by the Left.

For me I take it all as confirmation of my faith.

The Bible tells us the trajectory of things leading towards the end-times. Why would I expect the world to be any other way? There is not going to be any salvation from within this broken world. Only Christ saves. It is not going to come from voting the right guy, or a revolution, or anything of the sort. When you truly grasp the reality of the situation, then you can see that trying to fight back and reverse the trend is futile. Talking about it, being angry, dwelling on it too much won't change anything.

I just look at it and think 'of course the world is insane' the Bible predicted it all... I just focus on my spiritual life as best I can. There are times when I become tempted to dwell on it all, but nothing fruitful ever comes from it.

I was thinking the other day, how ingrained materialism is in my psyche. It occurred to me; materialism is false. Really 100% it is not an accurate depiction of reality. Its so difficult to realise this on a deep level, but I think there is a lot to be gained from keeping in mind the deeper, spiritual level of existence, and trying to keep your mind there, rather than on the base level where the demons want to keep you.

 

[get2choppaaa]

Do you have kids?

For me, having the kids helps me not go down the anger/dispair rabbit hole on how messed up our world is.

I focus on the fact that no matter what goes on outside my home.... I can control what happens inside the house and put an emphasis on being a good Christian role model for my children and wife.

I know the anger is out there... lord knows I"ve been angry seeing some things too... but I recognize I cant controll it all. Like God Said to Job..."

31 “Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c]
or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth?

The point is, we are all going to suffer. We are all going to deal with pain and calamity, but God knows the order of all His creation and has counted and measured every particle, every action and every consequence.

I agree with you, I am angry many times that the joy's and realitve emotional safety as a child is no longer available to most of society.... This however, only resolves me to do more in any way I can to work towards placing those barriers around my personal life and withdrawling from the situatioins by which I might be confronted with evil people.

Bible Gateway passage: Job 38 - New International Version

The LORD Speaks - Then the LORD spoke to Job out of the storm. He said: “Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who...

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[paternos]

For me. I don't discuss a lot anymore.

I feel there is no point is discussing. They can build a logical story, I can build a logical story. I have heard their story for most of my life. I'm just not interested in their opinions anymore on politics. (Bad while having a conversation, people feel that)

I though think it's essential to understand the world is a web of lies. Only then my heart could open for the truth of Christ.

I'm also seeing most people desire to live in lies. And have no curiousity to look different at our existence. And I get it. It's hard. I kind of found out I wasted 25 years of my life trying to be a good boy. Especially if you're successful by worldly standards why would you leave your comfortable opinions?

Jesus spoke to those who desired to listen to him. We can't impose your will. There needs to be a curiosity.

I think for family it is important to learn about truth. But it's also important to.listen well to.them. the

I think when we engage in conflict. We are at fault. We are to blame. We are engaging in the games of the devil. Being sucked up by the next current thing. Being aggressive to person you don't even care about trying to impose your will.

This brings up evangelisation. What is that? How should we engage with truth?

I think it's more in forgiveness. Many people struggle with shame and guilt and it's weighing heavy on them. Not weird for a life of sins.

I think only when man receives the grace of God to breakdown in pain, guilt, shame he can open up to the truth.

Probably the pain just isn't big enough. They still fee.they can do it on their own.
Study, work, buy a house, sex. Fix it. King of the world. That's the essence. Desiring to be the king of the world.

No desire to serve the king in heaven.

 

[Easy_C]

I live in a big city, and I've found all the bars in the middle of town are full of liberals, but if I go to bars out in the outer suburbs, I find a lot more conservative types. Anti-vaxx, anti-immigration, anti-tranny, anti-government; that sort of thing. Ironically, it's easier to avoid getting onto a rant about this kind of thing if you know the person you're talking to is already on the same page. Then you can talk about lighter stuff like family, hobbies, work, cars and trucks, sports ball, and that sort of thing.

If you want a good, sympathetic crowd, find a biker bar. Not necessarily 1%er/outlaw biker bars (just avoid whichever bar is their main hangout), but a lower key biker bar. Plenty of non-woke, working class types.

 

[murphykj930]

Do any of you guys find it hard to stop talking about Feminists, PC culture, WOKENESS, etc...

For years, I know I used to spend hours online reading news articles from mainstream as well as ROK, this forum, etc... I found it very hard not to talk about all these topics where the last couple of years, I've really cut back on it cause it was upsetting me. I found I wasn't talking about it as much and scaring away people.

The question is, if I have a couple of drinks for example, I start going on about it. I feel like this deep anger/emotion at the world and what it has become. Western countries, all started to get bad around 2010 as we know where I was more happier before then. It's like watching your country be taken over slowly where I wanted to fight back for a long time but now I feel helpless cause the country I loved is on fire, and it's been conquered by the Left.

Focus on goals that will help you and your family, like paying off debts and getting rid of every toxin you can find in your household. Read good books. Stay active. Enjoy the sun. Quit eating garbage. Drink less, 1-4 servings a week maximum, if you must. Meditate. Quit watching the news.

 

[Road2Damascus]

Stay off the internet and cultivate real life relationships. Don't watch TV. I've never heard the term culture war uttered in real life. A lot of this stuff is an internet phenomenon. The algos have warped people's minds with confirmation bias because they keep showing you similar things to engage you. That goes for this site. Even 'conservative' news outlets which are also propaganda and fear porn.

Things are not as bad as they seem and most people are not in this bubble.

 

[andy dufresne]

This happens to me a lot.

When it does I shut off the Internet and all screens, go outside and say prayers of gratitude and thanks....because we all have many things to be grateful and thankful for.

Also...don't have a 'couple drinks'. Booze is anger fuel.

 

[IM3000]

I think it's rather normal to dwell on the topic of the decling West. Every native Western/Eruopean person over 35/40 has experienced a dramatic change in their environment aka home. In my grandfather's highshool everybody was a native; now, Mohamed is his hometown's most popluar name for newborn boys (literally) and your rent is 2,000€.
So, to get some ressonance for the consequential feeling of dread, people vent about it. Happens to me, as well. I try to use this feeling productively, as motivation to set up my life in way which mitigates the collateral damage of the decline. Easier said than done, of course.

 

[Pete345]

If it is not spiritually edifying and does not lead to your salvation, walk away from it. Demonic distractions come in many forms, including political ones that "seem" to be on your side. "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." - Matthew 6:33

 

[HymnsToOurLady]

If it is not spiritually edifying and does not lead to your salvation, walk away from it. Demonic distractions come in many forms, including political ones that "seem" to be on your side. "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." - Matthew 6:33

I'm more guilty of falling into distractions than anyone, so I agree with this point. Outside of certain circumstances, each of us should be solely focused on improving ourselves in pursuit of our salvation, the salvation of others, and the upholding of the Lord's Commandments.

 

[Cr33pin]

 

[RedLagoon]

I think it depends on if you have children or not. What depresses me sometimes is the fear of my children "going out in to the insane world" as they're only very young now. By that I mean going to school and interacting with wokies with smart phones and retarded parents. There's obviously no woke stuff allowed in my house but theree's only so much you can do and I pray to God they will have the strength to navigate the minefield. It really can be heartbreaking to see how bad it has all become, I definitely understand.

As for normies; I will say hi and bye and that's it, nothing to talk about.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

Well if you consider yourself "red pilled" then you should already be living the "correct" way since you have the "true" knowledge. So the question is if you're living, thinking the "correct" way already then how is it possible to be unhappy? What is this itch you're trying to scratch? Isn't insider knowledge suppose to grant us an advantage over others to achieve our dreams?

The answer seems to be "pride". We're sinful, we suffer for it, and we're no better than the simpletons/sheep because of it. The simpletons at least don't live their life in abstractions.

Western civilization is collapsing, well people lived before western civilization. Amish seem to be able to have families and reproduce, but I guess it's too much of a sacrifice. How can I be expected to stoop to such a lifestyle? Life might be terrible but aren't we suppose to know that salvation awaits through Jesus Christ? Is that not a worthy reward?

The question really is it the world or is it me?

That's how I've been trying to breach the topic with myself personally.

 

[Steady Hands]

Do any of you guys find it hard to stop talking about Feminists, PC culture, WOKENESS, etc...

For years, I know I used to spend hours online reading news articles from mainstream as well as ROK, this forum, etc... I found it very hard not to talk about all these topics where the last couple of years, I've really cut back on it cause it was upsetting me. I found I wasn't talking about it as much and scaring away people.

The question is, if I have a couple of drinks for example, I start going on about it. I feel like this deep anger/emotion at the world and what it has become. Western countries, all started to get bad around 2010 as we know where I was more happier before then. It's like watching your country be taken over slowly where I wanted to fight back for a long time but now I feel helpless cause the country I loved is on fire, and it's been conquered by the Left.

Solid thread. Solid responses. Now for two sincere questions:

• How committed are you to take real action to improve this area of your life?
• To what extent are you venting and moreso seeking emotional/social support online?

Venting is OK. It's important to have an outlet and feel connected. Writing here can be cathartic. That said, it's useful to understand the true intentions of any OP when they ask these kinds of advice-seeking questions.

I'm willing and able to assist with these matters offline for RVF members based in my nation, given our shared experience and location, if they are internally-motivated and willing to put in effort themselves.

In case anyone perceives this as a little harsh, you can see here for context:

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