How do I stop talking about "the decline" and how bad Western countries are?

[SeekingTruth]

How much of this is actually in our control or DIRECTLY affects our daily lives? I would say very little on a personal level if anything at all. This also depends on where you live. But I'm in a HEAVY blue area and I've learned to live with it. Being exceptionally kind to those you disagree with (of course your neighbors) goes a long way in my book. It also makes you feel like a human, not some internet bot.

As others describe, this is a lot of internet chatter, "culture war" garbage. I found myself becoming unhappier the more I focused on it and the anger is only worsened when you realize how little we can actually control.

Rule number one: stop watching news. Any of it. Even from the conservatives. Trust me it's life changing. You don't need to know everything going on. And you will hear about anything major just through word of mouth.

Focus on raising a family and doing it right. Be an example for others to follow. That is how you win, bottom line.

 

[Maddox]

I guess I tend to spout off about this stuff at the bar if I get a few drinks in me too, but normally I try to keep my extreme anti-woke views to myself.

I live in a big city, and I've found all the bars in the middle of town are full of liberals, but if I go to bars out in the outer suburbs, I find a lot more conservative types. Anti-vaxx, anti-immigration, anti-tranny, anti-government; that sort of thing. Ironically, it's easier to avoid getting onto a rant about this kind of thing if you know the person you're talking to is already on the same page. Then you can talk about lighter stuff like family, hobbies, work, cars and trucks, sports ball, and that sort of thing.

Of course, the customers in outer suburban bars tend to be older compared to the ones closer to the city center. I'm older as well, so I fit in, but if you are young, you might feel out of place. There definitely are people in their 20's and 30's at outer suburban bars, but there are a lot more older folks.

I find everybody is on the same page as me with these things at church too, so again it seems easier to make an offhand anti-tranny comment and leave it at that, without getting into a rant. I can talk about the scripture passage I was reading, or that sort of thing instead.

At work, I avoid political and cultural discussions as much as possible, although here as well I am lucky to work with mostly like minded people.


TL;DR Make a point to associate with like minded people, and then you won't feel as tempted to talk about it, when you know you're preaching to the choir.

I find myself having to pick and choose who I open up to about these things.

One of the guys from church I hang out with is a younger man in his 20s. I'm over twice his age so I have a lot to complain about while he has very little. A lot of the cultural rot going on for the last 5 years probably seems normal to him. But for me, I've seen the US go to pieces in my time and I can't just ignore the elephant in the room. However, I've learned that this guy doesn't want to hear that stuff. He's a very happy-go-lucky person that doesn't like to delve into uneasy subjects. He doesn't even like to talk about Revelations in the Bible because it's too much of a downer. So I don't bring up these subjects with him. However, I do make snide remarks from time to time about certain things.

But then there is a new guy at one of the small groups I attend that is full-on red pill. We were doing an icebreaker one night where people were supposed to answer an innocuous question so the others could learn something interesting about you. Well, he somehow answered the question in a way that said the Holocaust was a lie. Most everyone at the table gave a nervous laugh because they were in shock that someone would actually bring this up a) At all...and b) During a fun "get-to-know-your-neighbor" game. LOL. This guy is my favorite new person in small group. So when I feel the need to rant, I know who I can go to now without getting that uncomfortable look.

 

[Blade Runner]

I think it's rather normal to dwell on the topic of the decling West. Every native Western/Eruopean person over 35/40 has experienced a dramatic change in their environment aka home.

So the question is if you're living, thinking the "correct" way already then how is it possible to be unhappy? What is this itch you're trying to scratch? Isn't insider knowledge suppose to grant us an advantage over others to achieve our dreams?

I love threads like this because they are good, relevant and ... ironic. We're all posting here because the modern day is atomized and quite frankly, f'n stupid. I recall what a normal life was like, yes, being raised by a normal, healthy family before tech/computers starting taking over in college and beyond. At that time, it seemed everything was going to work out like it did for your parents. Looking back, you saw how decent families still had major issues, so the women and men thing was always something interesting, but generally was more wholesome. I think what we didn't get, yes all of us who understand far more than normie or doubter person X, was the degree to which people can be manipulated and disappoint you. That's really the sticking point. If you've achieved more than most people, and you see that even people who are average, good guys get treated like dirt, it's sad - because you know that your achievements and pride don't bring all that much, and in clown world the average man is totally shit on. I defend men all the time because the setup for them is failure and they still, mostly, somehow go on. That's how incompetent the other groups and sex really is, in comparison (with work and worldly things, I mean).

@Sandalwood Peak has a great question. He's right, but the issue isn't a happiness one. It's a disappointment one. Disappointment is recognizing how childish most humans are, and how much more they love not thinking or lying to themselves and others. It can lead to despair, but mostly doesn't, because if you do think the correct way you realize that the world truly is a trap, the evil one and his losers always trying to ensnare you. The knowledge of the truth also can set up two scenarios, and both can be happening at the same time. It can allow you to plan and succeed in the future, but it can also cause you pain and suffering/distress in the current scenario. The cerveza sickness nonsense is a great example of this. What we don't know is where we'll be in 10 years though, that's the harder part. Know what else is hard? Knowing you've got so much to offer to a woman, the world, a future family ... but most people not caring about that. Or your society setting up literally hundreds of cockblocks for a decade, or 3 ...

Like a 50 year old poster said recently, I don't think a man will give up on family or the innate drive of testosterone (you know what I mean) if he is in good shape, probably until at least 55, and some others later. That means from mid 20s to 50s, if you are in good shape, you'll constantly be seeking something rewarding with some woman, or try to find that with various women, who knows. That's a really long time if you have found out you don't want to, or can't go full throttle on being something like a monk. Thus, the forum, and our interactions, continue ...

 

[Hadrian]

Do any of you guys find it hard to stop talking about Feminists, PC culture, WOKENESS, etc...

I only stopped when I moved out of the West. It took me a couple months before I cooled down and now I ceased to care about politics altogether. I still talk about Jews, I have to talk about Jews and a famous Austrian painter. Not to proselytize but for the keks I get out of even when nobody laughs.

 

[Gasman12]

To the OP, stop watching TV, greatly restrict your internet use…dare I say it, limit frequenting things like this forum, especially this thread. God gave you life, that’s His gift to you. What you choose to do with it is your gift to Him. Instead of complaining about how bad things are, be grateful for the good things. There is good all around us. If we believe in a Creator, and we are made in the image of God, we should all recognize God did not make us to be anything less than winners. So stop with the negativity. It will drain you of your life force and turn you into something you were never made to be.

 

[EuropeanCanon]

Do any of you guys find it hard to stop talking about Feminists, PC culture, WOKENESS, etc...

I know exactly what you mean friend

 

[MusicForThePiano]

In the US sooner or later it doesn't matter whether you live in a blue or a red area, it will all be a demonic area. It is not as simple to just "stop" talking about it as it has been seen to fill every essence and nook and cranny of our society so that when we speak of one thing, it is somehow related to, affected by, or part of the decay itself. The only answer is to go full Crusader and let them know you are not of them, and to do it without saying a word. How you walk, how you dress, how you carry yourself, and in social situations, how you converse. I guarantee you won't be alone. I've had several people come up to me in a few countries in the last couple of years who were afraid to be the first one to say or do something, all it takes is to lead by example. They thanked me for letting them know they weren't the only ones. This is how bad it has gotten in some areas. People are afraid to speak openly because there is nothing but negativity! But the mere hint of the truth of Christ destroys these vain worldly pessimisms.

I already look at the fallen west as a prototype of hell, it being Godless and forsaken, but merely in the sense of the endless shopping malls and sardine-tin neighborhoods people are jampacked into, along with the cookie-cutter rock concert "churches" built into the side of parking garages and in former office buildings. To spiritually wash this filthy heathen site from my being I have to go to a cathedral that is at least a few hundred years old, soak in the tapestries and the stained glass windows, the ornate architecture, clearly divinely inspired, the holiness of the courteous discourse from the priests, the simplicity in the few words uttered, and the balance of nature in the gardenias outside. I have to be around things that were created from inspiration from God, rather than innovations cheapened and twisted to form conveniences for lazy hedonistic lost souls. I would recommend the same for everyone else who can't seem to stop "talking about the decline." Go to an old Church, make it a point to go to an older one to explore and imbibe in its austerity, not that you have to stop going to service at your regular Church but simply to see more of what creation in God's name can offer. It is the only thing that is endless, unlike the same recycled cardboard-cutout slave kennels we have everywhere else that is called "civilization". That and bask in nature to reset your bodies own frequencies to something more base and natural. I saw a sunset this evening and its array of colors, along with the birds in their verbosity, were likely playing the same noises once heard in the Garden, and it made me think of this, even while being on the edge of a society rank in corruption of all forms.

No matter how bad it gets, God's truth and creation will always be more powerful. Seek these and watch any black pill tendencies evaporate like water in the Sahara.

 

[paternos]

I already look at the fallen west as a prototype of hell, it being Godless and forsaken, but merely in the sense of the endless shopping malls and sardine-tin neighborhoods people are jampacked into, along with the cookie-cutter rock concert "churches" built into the side of parking garages and in former office buildings. To spiritually wash this filthy heathen site from my being I have to go to a cathedral that is at least a few hundred years old, soak in the tapestries and the stained glass windows, the ornate architecture, clearly divinely inspired, the holiness of the courteous discourse from the priests, the simplicity in the few words uttered, and the balance of nature in the gardenias outside. I have to be around things that were created from inspiration from God, rather than innovations cheapened and twisted to form conveniences for lazy hedonistic lost souls. I would recommend the same for everyone else who can't seem to stop "talking about the decline." Go to an old Church, make it a point to go to an older one to explore and imbibe in its austerity, not that you have to stop going to service at your regular Church but simply to see more of what creation in God's name can offer. It is the only thing that is endless, unlike the same recycled cardboard-cutout slave kennels we have everywhere else that is called "civilization". That and bask in nature to reset your bodies own frequencies to something more base and natural. I saw a sunset this evening and its array of colors, along with the birds in their verbosity, were likely playing the same noises once heard in the Garden, and it made me think of this, even while being on the edge of a society rank in corruption of all forms.

No matter how bad it gets, God's truth and creation will always be more powerful. Seek these and watch any black pill tendencies evaporate like water in the Sahara.

I have to be around things that were created from inspiration from God

You state something very important here at least to me. We need to point to salvation.

We have a problem: Perverted sick godless society

The solution: Being around people that get their inspiration from God, being in nature (created by God), being among the works of those inspired by God, it can be an old Cathedral, art works in a museum, a beautiful old crucifix in your home, meeting new people inspired by God, reading scripture, a priest that you find inspiring.

Somebody said in this thread, why hang in bars? Will you find salvation there? Why watch TV if it's sick and perverted?

But it's frustrating, I have that with watching old movies which inspired me 15 years ago. And now I think, what a filth, do I also need to let go of this? Like an addict letting go of alcohol.

 

[Blade Runner]

The problem is that we are in the midst of the tech world and as laymen, we're trapped in many situations, if we decide that we don't want to be, or can't be, monks. This is basically the modern dilemma. Suffering with your family used to be similar to the monk's situation, but a different calling. Now it's atomization and attacks from other sick people, institutions, etc. - even if you have kids.

 

[TooFineAPoint]

I have to be around things that were created from inspiration from God

Yep. There is a reason Europe still has a ton of tourism every year and it definitely isn't because of the great service, or convenience, or even that they have created much of anything since WWII.

Every single person of (non Jewish) European descent always feels immediately better walking cobblestone streets and gazing upon (or inside) churches, and most great museums are just collections of what was once in a Church (or created in service of the Christian narrative).

Even when I speak to atheists or cultural philistines, after a European trip they are entranced. Yet so few think to ask why we can't have these things now...

 

[Gimlet]

Do any of you guys find it hard to stop talking about Feminists, PC culture, WOKENESS, etc...

For years, I know I used to spend hours online reading news articles from mainstream as well as ROK, this forum, etc... I found it very hard not to talk about all these topics where the last couple of years, I've really cut back on it cause it was upsetting me. I found I wasn't talking about it as much and scaring away people.

The question is, if I have a couple of drinks for example, I start going on about it. I feel like this deep anger/emotion at the world and what it has become. Western countries, all started to get bad around 2010 as we know where I was more happier before then. It's like watching your country be taken over slowly where I wanted to fight back for a long time but now I feel helpless cause the country I loved is on fire, and it's been conquered by the Left.

Let other people talk, let them lead the conversation. Random people are often a gift; let them talk, they may express joy in something you haven't considered in a long while. Or they may open up in a way your views can help them. That's what I had to do. It worked.

 

[Cynllo]

not backing down to peer or public pressure

Most of the members here have been on a similar journey. To the OP, I think the "Non-Christian" in you bio suggests there is at least a further furlong. That certainly makes things easier.

There may become a point when things change. I have been in the anger phase. I see the future of my country on its current course as being taken over by Africans and Muslims. Everyone here knows that's what is afoot. That's the worst part. If it was just trannies, there would be an eventual recovery. But there is no recovery from immigration.

I hit a bit of a Rubicon, which I think stems from the clownish levels we've now hit. COVID was the main one for me. Exposing the nature of the norms. For most of my life normieness has been above me, suppressing me with the weight of their mass regurgitations of other people's bird brain takes and failed ideas. Norminess is now where it belongs, below me. I have confidence that I am right, and they are wrong. All they know is what some other people say. I've lost most fear of bringing up what we are told are extreme topics. If anything I relish it. Banning nudes, a complete end to immigration, monarchism, a complete desexualisation of society with a prohibition of any mention of non-regular relations that isn't criticism.

These are seeds I cast out there and I don't really care what the response is. If they want to be angry that someone who has no power and virtually no influence would say these things, there might be something wrong with them. I have been casting seeds for a long time, on apparently extreme topics. As things have become more insane, they have taken root. I just leave them to go at their own pace.

The situation is dire and it's going to get much worse. But I still hope for my own little corner of the world, where there will be no clown world. There is a thread on here titled something like - have you given up on modern women. I've never read it, because of the defeatism. I'm at least going to try, even if my trying isn't very good. I have always rejected this mentality. As a teen I saw people were becoming depressed. I decided I wouldn't and I never have. You've got to be mental if you start thinking about mental health.

In the situation we are in I don't really agree with the recceeding ideas some put forth. Just giving things up to God. Just don't talk about it. Just ignore that there are millions of copies of books instructing and depicting children having gay sex in a school. It's hard to know what to do, other than arrange your own life in a better manner. And to be fair, the main thing I am doing is waiting for someone much better than I who has some idea, some vision, some ability to tip this entire fake and gay system over. In the meantime I am just sowing seeds. I have pushed four people that I know of out of normieville in my life. One of them became an 'antisemite' before I knew what that was. Maybe they in turn have done the same. The exploded normie heads on the way were just stepping stones. It's not much, but it's honest work.

I also do see a vein of hope and that is the considerable extent to which I see key people turning against the regime. I think there is a growing number of people who are quite far on the spectrum of waiting for the current system to fail. And as mentioned in several threads - virtually all of the people who can think are outside the institutions. Not being able to think is essentially a requirement to serve in the regime. And this seems to be particularly fragile. There has been moments of major fissures showing the weakness behind the current system. The main one being maybe the most embarrassing thing that ever happened - the Afghanistan withdrawal, that happened about 4-5 days ago) And when that happened, a lot of people realised they had more in common with the Taliban than the regime.

Well, he somehow answered the question in a way that said the Holocaust was a lie. Most everyone at the table gave a nervous laugh because they were in shock that someone would actually bring this up a) At all...and b) During a fun "get-to-know-your-neighbor" game. LOL. This guy is my favorite new person in small group. So when I feel the need to rant, I know who I can go to now without getting that uncomfortable look.

The next wedding at Maddox's church.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

I think that at some point you've gotta evolve and make the next step, hopefully into religion (preferably Orthodoxy obviously). I understand completely where you come from, been researching all this stuff for years also, but at some point you're kinda hitting a wall and you've seen it all, although it's OK to keep up to date with it. But you've gotta try to evolve into the next lane and get to the solution of this stuff (religion, traditional values) instead of keep focusing on the problem. You're not gonna change it, most people won't be open to it anyways unless they're at a deep point in their own life, there's quite a lot of info out there and channels who address all these matters so people who wanna find it and understand it can do so if they choose. But keep focusing on the problem can become detrimental to yourself at a point - there's light at the end of the tunnel and we shouldn't forget that, while living in reality and understanding as good as we can what we're up against! And I think that's probably what will reel people in after all - if you live a different life than mainstream society and live a fulfilled daily reality, other people may wonder why you're living such a peaceful and satisfying life in contrast to hyped up emotional, dopamine driven, restless society. Then you can tell them about your journey and address all this stuff too, and hopefully they'll find that so inspiring that they decide to change their trajectory of life also, if they're at a point in life (typically at a deep point, where they're unsatisfied and look for answers) that allows them to do so. Besides that, I'd say never just go along with all the evil agendas and cower to them in public or so, but giving nuggets to the blind typically yields better results than going all in from the getgo in my experience. If they are open to that, then you can feed them more and hope that their eyes will open more and more, and them seeing more and more, but one again with most people you'll just hit a wall if you go all in straightaway, although sometimes it may help people also to shock them out of the ''reality'' they live in.