How does a white person in North America prove that they aren't racist? (serious)

[Days of Broken Arrows]

If you're out to prove anything to anyone, you're already in the wrong mindset for life.

That said, the only places where you have to "prove" you're not racist are the two places where races are deal with as symbols, not groups of individuals. Those places are the media and academia. They make money this way.

When you actually get out into America -- in the high schools, the workplaces, etc. -- you'll find most people get along without having to prove shit. There are not news stories every day about race wars.

Why is this? It's because when we actually know each other, we know the individual, not what he symbolizes. In my old office, there were people of all sorts of races. No one went on about "white privilege" or "black disenfranchisement" because on a person-to-person level, it didn't pan out that way. Some of the whites were uneducated and in delivery position; many of the blacks were managers or on the creative team.

If there was any division in the workplace, it was that the guys of all races and positions were constantly complaining about the women's behavior. In my group there was me (ethnic) and white Southern-ish guy, a Filipino guy, and a black guy. Race never came up as a problem in or out of the office. Women did. A lot.

 

[GameTheory]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence#.22You_can.27t_prove_a_negative.22

http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf

 

[StealthAlpha]

Don't prove it. Be yourself. I don't do shit for minorities and I rarely have anyone call me a white devil etc. Do something for you, your family, your people. Honestly nonwhites as their own respective kin groups, don't care about you. And the ones that do, do so in a negative way ie victim status.

 

[vinman]

No. It's like being accused of touching a child "in appropriately". Somebody somewhere will still believe it.

 

[playa_with_a_passport]

How does a white person in North America prove that they are not racist?

Very simply actually, tell your Black friends what some White people really think of them when they are not around. You get extra points if this is a Black person you work with. This is actually more effective than you chastising your coworkers/friends for racist behavior or actions.

Something as simple as telling the new Black guy at work, "Watch you back my dude, the last 5 Black tokens here were fired off some dumb shit. Play the Game and I got your back if I hear them plotting against you." This will get you his trust and loyalty for life.

Blacks are in total denial about the existence of White Supremacy 2.0. They get a rare peek of it when they read the comment section of most blogs, newspapers articles and p0rn sites but the hamster inside their heads dismisses it as trolling."that's people online being dicks, all the Whites at my job/school/neighborhood/military unit like and respect me." Just tell them that ain't so.

 

[j r]

Not only is this a race troll thread, but it's also a hamster thread. I am a simple man so I like to simple definitions. Here's the dictionary definition of racism:

rac·ism
[rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Sweeping generalizations about race is racism. That's it, end of story. Justifying actions against individuals, not because of anything they did but because they belong to a certain ethnic group is racism. Saying that America is a white country and too much Hispanic immigration will ruin it is racism.

Some of people who are commenting on this post would proudly claim to be red pill on race or to be down with HBD, but for some reason the word racism rankles you. Why? Just own it. Otherwise, you sound like the women who say that just cause they fuck a lot of guys it does not mean that they are sluts.

 

[Architekt]

@j r: I'm not sure what definition you're reading, but all of those you listed include terms of prejudice, not just generalisation

 

[Quintus Flaminius]

My advice, ignore the racism charge,the left won't stop race baiting, seriously, even if there were no more Whites in the US, they'd still keep it up, they'd turn pure blooded Africans against the mulattoes. the mulattoes against the Hispanics, the Hispanics against the Asians, etc.

I mean come on, look what happened to Zimmerman, one would believe that a Hispanic Democrat that tutors Black kids would receive some sort of concession by the the leftist hamsters, didn't happen.

The other thing is, 'racism' makes money, a lot of money for TV networks, remember the Sikh temple shooting?
This was an act of genuine racism, a Neo Nazi moron deliberately killed dozens of innocent people in cold blood.
Compare the way the two incidents were covered by the MSM, notice the difference?
The reason is, simple, 40 million Blacks are a bigger market than a few hundred thousand Sikhs.

I'm pretty sure that, for reasons like this alone, deep down, most minorities, do NOT trust the Democrat party, I certainly don't.

 

[Blaster]

Sweeping generalizations about race is racism. That's it, end of story. Justifying actions against individuals, not because of anything they did but because they belong to a certain ethnic group is racism. Saying that America is a white country and too much Hispanic immigration will ruin it is racism.

This paragraph is internally inconsistent.

Specifically: a sweeping generalization is not the same thing as applying stereotypes to individuals justifying actions. They might both be racism, but being guilty of the first does not imply being guilty of the second. (Though being guilty of the second usually implies being guilty of the first).

 

[Caligula]

Be like Big Pun and regulate every shade of the ass.

http://rapgenius.com/Big-punisher-still-not-a-player-lyrics#note-5630

 

[jaakkeli]

If you're stuck in the frame of feeling like you have to prove that you're not a racist then you've already handed a ton of power to your opponents.

I've seen eager multiculturalists turn into ranting racists after a few drinks, I've seen leftists first talk about how great it will be to blend all the races and then later break down after finding out that one of their female relatives has been doing some blending of races, I've seen anti-racist activists having way too much fun doing research by hanging out on the kind of racist sites that disgust me...

Why would I worry about proving myself to those people? I know what kind of a person I am and I have nothing to be ashamed of (well, at least not when it comes to race stuff).

 

[Hades]

This is a shit thread, but it does come up every now and then especially with "water-cooler conversation" with PC types. If I get a temp ban for this I probably had it coming. I hope that this forum is generally anti-SWPL, because my comments and stuff that I have used have definitely been used to fight the SWPL menace for some years now.

The gist is, don't accept the frame that you're trying to prove yourself not racist, instead state that the person asking is too concerned about race in a way that makes them racist by implication, answer a question with another question, play dumb, use brutal sarcasm, give an non-sequitur answer that would make a politician proud, or some combination. Misdirection, misdirection, misdirection. Bamboozle them with your words.

Also try to use as many positive or strong words and concepts as possible. A few I can list here are "God, American, a true patriot or patriotism, freedom, liberty, Constitution, constitutional, progress, and any relevant historical characters".

For example -

Charlene: "Those comments seemed racist! I'm offended by implication!"
Hades: "You're offended by implication? Being a white female, do you have the gall to deny enjoying the racial privilege that you possess? Are you trying to marginalize the struggles of the black community in America by claiming that you know how rough they have had it here since the colonial age? Can you recite me the first line of the Emancipation Proclamation? How about the best summary line of Frederick Douglass's famous speech, "The Hypocrisy of American Slavery". I didn't think so."

Marla: "Those comments sounded kinda racist, bro"
Hades: " Take a long walk off a short pier, Marla. I'm not your bro. And thanks for the condescending remark. Did you fail preschool?"

Jeannine: "Isn't it racist to assume - .. ?"
Hades: "You know, Jeannine, that's an excellent question. While I am not so presumptuous to say that I know the black community well, I believe that they are doing a great job. It's going to take time and effort to adjust but I'm sure we'll all pull through this together."

Richard: "I'm a male feminist formally accusing you, Hades, of a racist comment on July 12, 2013 at approximately 2:32 PM within the area of .. "
Hades: "Thanks for informing me and spreading awareness, no doubt we'll never be able to eradicate racism within our legal system unless there's somebody policing every conversation for racially ambiguous comments.
Great job.".

Brunhilda: "That seems racist."
Hades: "Do you walk around accusing people of racism so you can feel morally superior to them? Are you doing it to create a toxic work environment? If I call you out on your shit, do I rob you of an ego victory? What I'm saying, Brunhilda, is that I don't what a pathologically passive-aggressive conflict-seeker suddenly deciding that she's the arbiter of workplace conduct. That's how the Salem Witch Trials happened. Are you trying to advocate anarchy and mob rule, Brunhilda? Goddamnit, I'm an American, Brunhilda. Go spread your communistic beliefs elsewhere."

Jezebel: "I'm a racist whore who dates non-white guys to prove to others I'm not racist. Am I a racist?"
Hades: "IRT has no date, so absolutely, you are racist."

Sharon: "You have to prove that you're not racist."
Hades: "Now, Sharon, the problem here is not that I might be racist. No, Sharon, the problem here is that you might be racist. What would happen if I said or did a racist thing, and you agreed or saw no fault in it? That would make you racist by association, and you would be spreading the oppression and lies that guarantee racism being fundamentally institutional. I'm sorry, Sharon, but none may judge in this respect but God himself."

 

[samsamsam]

Don't worry about. Treat others well and with respect and you won't have any problems. The problem is most people are obsessed with being respected but never give respect to others. We look at who slights us and never at how we slight others.

Also, a little transformational here, it is about your beingness, your congruency. 10 different people can say "Hi" to you, but with some of them you get that they are not really happy to see you. It is that vibe that people pick up. The ego tells us that we are able to trick others (say one thing totally contrary to what we really believe), but oftentimes people pick up on what is really happening. We just think we can get away with it.

So I wouldn't make it an active effort to "not be a racist." if anything it heightens your awareness of race. With all the talk about being alpha and tougher than the rest, and listening to our egos, etc. it is very hard to show respect and concern for others. Sometimes, showing a little compassion for someone else will really win you some points (this sounds a little manipulative - but you know what I mean).

The ego is always trying to be right, so many of us, including myself have difficulties in being objective with ourselves. Anything that hints at imperfection just makes us react negatively, "no way could I be a racist!" Doesn't mean anything is wrong, it just means you are human like the rest of us. And we are all on our journey of some sort. It is up to you to figure out if you think you need to change anything and then take action if you choose to.

At the end of the day, we are all just people trying to make the best of it.

 

[GameTheory]

I get annoyed with race trolling, [...]

Having a black friend doesn't mean you're not racist. One of the reasons Terrance Howard divorced his white wife was because she called him a n***er. There's been plenty of reports of black women married to white men who still call them n***er. Using a I'm not racist because "I have a black friend" excuse is a tired cliche at this point. Shout out to Paula Deen, one of her "most trusted people" was a black dude still doesn't stop her from wanting to dress black people as slaves and calling them n***ers.

[...]

what is it that you are doing/saying that makes you want to prove to others that you're "not racist?"

 

[GameTheory]

[...]

Thus, saying black people are smelly isn't racist. It's bigoted, rude, and offensive as hell, but it's not racist. [...]

Saying blacks have low IQ's on average is not racist. Again, it's rude, mean-spirited, generally pointless to say and highly inflamatory, but it's not racist.
[...]

those statements are part and parcel of racism. it's a strategy of de-humanizing other people. repeated often enough, statements like those lead to scenes like these:

 

[Architekt]

those statements are part and parcel of racism. it's a strategy of de-humanizing other people. repeated often enough, statements like those lead to scenes like these:

As I stated before, there's a difference between observation and racism. For example, I can say "many aboriginals I've met smoke and drink," and a whole mob of SWPL types will turn their heads and gasp. This isn't actually a racist statement, it's just an observation. Had I said something such as "I hate those coons, they're a bunch of drunks," that could be construed as racism. The former merely acknowledges that I've seen and observed something, while the latter implies prejudice based on that observation. It's analogous to comparing the statements "women have long hair," and "I hate women because they have long hair." Obviously there's no malice implied in observing such a thing, so why is it suddenly a big deal when I observe other physical traits attributed to someone?

Political (in)correctness can go fuck itself.

 

[GameTheory]

those statements are part and parcel of racism. it's a strategy of de-humanizing other people. repeated often enough, statements like those lead to scenes like these:

As I stated before, there's a difference between observation and racism. For example, I can say "many aboriginals I've met smoke and drink," and a whole mob of SWPL types will turn their heads and gasp. This isn't actually a racist statement, it's just an observation. Had I said something such as "I hate those coons, they're a bunch of drunks," that could be construed as racism. The former merely acknowledges that I've seen and observed something, while the latter implies prejudice based on that observation. It's analogous to comparing the statements "women have long hair," and "I hate women because they have long hair." Obviously there's no malice implied in observing such a thing, so why is it suddenly a big deal when I observe other physical traits attributed to someone?

Political (in)correctness can go fuck itself.

there is a huge difference between "many aboriginals I've met smoke and drink," and "all abos are drunks"

 

[kosko]

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[tairos]

[...]

Thus, saying black people are smelly isn't racist. It's bigoted, rude, and offensive as hell, but it's not racist. [...]

Saying blacks have low IQ's on average is not racist. Again, it's rude, mean-spirited, generally pointless to say and highly inflamatory, but it's not racist.
[...]

those statements are part and parcel of racism. it's a strategy of de-humanizing other people. repeated often enough, statements like those lead to scenes like these:

Cuz Hitler!

Well, rhetoric about how one ethnic group is 'holding down' another led to the events of the Rwanda Genocide. So, maybe it's the "victims" who ought to shut up, cuz Hitler/Hutus with machetes.

 

[Architekt]

@GameTheory:

It could be that your observations led you to a particular conclusion - which doesn't necessarily make you prejudiced, it could just mean you were unfortunate in your experiences, or have bad judgement. Again, it doesn't matter whether you've observed a particular trait, until you start discriminating based upon it. Calling someone a drunk may imply negative feelings for some, but it is the people who associate those traits with being negative that are prejudiced, not the one who makes the observation.

Example:
"Australia has many deadly creatures."

Fairly neutral statement? Perhaps not...

"Deadly creatures? That means Australia is a dangerous place!"

Prejudice lays in the interpretation, not the observation. If you think that a quality has an inherent value, and you associate whatever group with that quality to make a decision based on that particular quality, rather than more relevant ones, that is what construes prejudice.

eg; in this case, associating a race with drunkenness.

If, under whatever ethical system, drunkenness is an inherently bad trait, and this is interpreted as meaning "that particular race is bad" because of that, ignoring all other factors, this is where prejudice enters the game. The observer doesn't necessarily imply any judgement, only makes the statement - the judgement is left to the interpretor of the statement.

People are often quick to assume certain things or statements have a particular meaning and that's the end of the story. These people are usually narcissists that can't comprehend that anyone might have a different ethical system to them. When people make these judgements, they are proving their own prejudical ways, and looking past the possibility that someone might not care about the same things they themselves do.

In summary, an ambiguous observation/statement does not make racism.