How does a white person in North America prove that they aren't racist? (serious)

[GameTheory]

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Political (in)correctness can go fuck itself.

very well then, but don't go crying a river if you end up like this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...l-racial-slur-article-1.1397834#ixzz2YvhYa7QR

 

[soup]

I get annoyed with race trolling, but I wanted to present a more serious discussion about one of the issues that has arisen from the Zimmerman trial, and countless others in the past. I really hope this doesn't devolve into ad hominems, meltdowns, or more arguments about the trial (we have another thread for that).

I also think this discussion is necessary for our generation of men, since PC culture is only becoming more ingrained.

With hyper sensitive HR policies already in place, it doesn't help that academic departments increasingly make straight, white, Christian males out to be the worst possible individuals (don't even get me started with that cisgender garbage).

I used white in the title since I believe that as a majority, that's the hardest position to defend from, though obviously this could apply to any group. We've seen how extreme people like Adria Richards can be with her tweets like "Black people CANNOT be racist against White people. Racism is a position of the oppressor who has the power"

I think the same way we discuss defense against false rape charges, accusations of sexism and racism will also become more detrimental in the future, even if they are later proven false or have no merit in the first place. I think we do a good service to men here when people share tips on protecting yourself.

Having a black friend doesn't mean you're not racist. One of the reasons Terrance Howard divorced his white wife was because she called him a n***er. There's been plenty of reports of black women married to white men who still call them n***er. Using a I'm not racist because "I have a black friend" excuse is a tired cliche at this point. Shout out to Paula Deen, one of her "most trusted people" was a black dude still doesn't stop her from wanting to dress black people as slaves and calling them n***ers.

I can understand why some people would consider this a tired cliche, as certainly individuals can hold negative general views on race, ethnicity, etc. and make exceptions for those close to them.

I am white, and I have close friends from all different backgrounds. I'm fortunate that my parents raised me in a very open and accepting household. I have also dated girls from a variety of backgrounds.

But there's a bigger question here...

How does a white person in North America prove that they are not racist?

At what point do you have enough evidence? Friends, relatives, relationships, charitable donations, support of minority businesses, festivals, etc. where does it end?

We all know it's easy to play the race card, and certainly sometimes it's warranted, but it's an asymmetric attack since defending yourself from charges of racism is next to impossible.

It seems like it's easier to defend against sexism and other "isms" compared to race, but I could have just as easily put in a different one. Along those same lines, feminists are working to make "misogynist' the new race card, since they see how effective it is in stirring up feelings in place of facts.

I'm talking philosophically here, but also asking for practical examples or suggestions.

I've never had a problem with this, so I can't speak from experience, but obviously it's important to break down these types of issues.

When are you ever in a position where you have to prove you aren't racist?

 

[Architekt]

@GameTheory: I don't mouth off at people without provocation - I'm actually a pretty relaxed guy. That being said, if the situation arises where I do end up face to face and get knocked out, that's my own stupid fault, so don't worry, I'm not gonna complain.

 

[Samseau]

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Thus, saying black people are smelly isn't racist. It's bigoted, rude, and offensive as hell, but it's not racist. [...]

Saying blacks have low IQ's on average is not racist. Again, it's rude, mean-spirited, generally pointless to say and highly inflamatory, but it's not racist.
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those statements are part and parcel of racism. it's a strategy of de-humanizing other people. repeated often enough, statements like those lead to scenes like these:

You're using the same logic feminists use when they say porn leads to "rape culture."

 

[GameTheory]

^^^ porn leads to erections. not to rape.

the Godfather of Game, Neil Strauss, visited Serbia just after the 9/11 attacks, and documents the de-humanizing anti-American propaganda there. it's an intriguing insight.

 

[Sebastian]

You know you are racists at heart. I know I am racist. I know I will feel more comfortable with certain race. I know I will judge different based on the race.(and other appearance features). I know I won't date certain race. I know I can't lick her all over if she has certain color of skin.

How many people are like this? 95%. how many people will actually say this? very few...

I think people at the night club act close to what they really are.

 

[LeBeau]

Be like Big Pun and regulate every shade of the ass.

http://rapgenius.com/Big-punisher-still-not-a-player-lyrics#note-5630

Have been, and will gladly continue to do that.

 

[Kingsley Davis]

I'm racist as fuck because i love my race...the human race.:grouphug:

 

[LeBeau]

Not only is this a race troll thread, but it's also a hamster thread.

Some of people who are commenting on this post would proudly claim to be red pill on race or to be down with HBD, but for some reason the word racism rankles you. Why? Just own it. Otherwise, you sound like the women who say that just cause they fuck a lot of guys it does not mean that they are sluts.

I'm not sure what it means to be Red Pill on race? From what I've read so far, I thought the Red Pill terminology was only used regarding not putting women on a pedestal, seeing the truth in social interactions, and other foundational stuff.

I get what some posters meant about things being inflamed by academia, media, or self righteous types. None of those I have personal experience with, hence the Ron Paul example.

Actually, one PHD guy accused me of being a harmful asshole since I was mocking that Jezebel article by Lindy West about gym visits by fat women being the "new form of social disobedience." He started saying some shit about different types of privilege (i.e. thin) but then both male and female friends of mine just started making fun of him.

Also, what is HBD? I saw in this thread: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-25789-post-488596.html#pid488596 that someone used the term "HB5" to refer to a busted girl. Tuth told me that the 5 was a ranking term from 1-10, but no one mentioned what the HB stood for. Based on your context, I'm guessing HBD is something different?

Not sure about all these acronyms, is there any posts/threads that break them down in one summary?

I know SIF means Secret Internet Fatty from the online dating posts, though thankfully I've never had to worry about that.

 

[TheSlayer]

HBD refers to "Human BioDiversity". There have been many discussions about HBD on this forum. Certain manosphere sites are pretty big on HBD like Heartiste.


HB5 or HB any# stands for Hot Babe

 

[LeBeau]

HBD refers to "Human BioDiversity". There have been many discussions about HBD on this forum. Certain manosphere sites are pretty big on HBD like Heartiste.


HB5 or HB any# stands for Hot Babe

Appreciate the info.

I haven't gone in depth with too many other "manosphere" (is this the only term?) sites, though I've checked out some data sheets from that Naughty Nomad guy and G's blog (I think that's how I found Roosh's blog in the first place).

Okay, maybe this has been covered already, but how is it possible to call someone a Hot Babe and then give them a 5? Seems like a contradiction.

I don't use the 1-10 rating scale much when discussing women with buddies, though we will use words like "dime" or "talent" occasionally.

I can't even think of a time I referred to a girl as a "Hot Babe"...

And better yet, aren't PUA types inherently putting women on a pedestal in the first place using the term "Hot Babe" as part of their vocab?

 

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

Why do you need to prove this and to whom?

Native born white American males are the least racist people in the US.

 

[j r]

Why do you need to prove this and to whom?

Native born white American males are the least racist people in the US.

Right. And American women are just too strong for men to handle.

 

[el mechanico]

Why do you need to prove this and to whom?

Native born white American males are the least racist people in the US.

I agree even though I was called racist twice yesterday alone.

I'm going to make some statements you guys tell me if they're racist.

1. I went to Atlanta

2. Greek people are cheap and ruin everything they get involved in

3. I would like to meet the IRT

4. Trayvon

5. I collect German WWII war memorabilia

6. Black girls are cunts

7. We should invade Canada

 

[tairos]

Why do you need to prove this and to whom?

Native born white American males are the least racist people in the US.

Indeed. Cowering and apologizing in the face of "racism" accusations only emboldens the vultures, thus paradoxically making the accused an even bigger "racist" and general doubleplus ungood person. The greatest sin of the native born white American male is his past strength sullied by his present simpering weakness.

 

[LoveBug]

Why would you want to? I say what I want, usually from a pro-white male perspective as that's what I happen to be. Say whats on your mind and don't live life with your tail tucked between your legs.

 

[LeBeau]

P.S. I try not to talk about race anywhere on the internet - no matter how good your logic, it never ends well. Better to pick other battles than waste your energy on ones over race.

Point taken.

See that's the thing, this wasn't intended to be a battle about anything.

In fact, I was just using PrimeTime's quote as a springboard to get discussion started, I have nothing against him.

I've never been accused of racism, sexism, etc. in my life that I can remember, and don't expect to have to deal with that either since I don't have actions, writings, etc. related to that. I also don't apologize for my opinions or back down from sensitive topics.

I have just seen posts and threads come up about similar things as a result of the Zimmerman trial and it got me thinking.

The same way I've seen posts talk about false accusations of rape, and what the rise of Feminism and PC Culture mean for us men in the future.


I'm new around here, so I wasn't sure how this would play out, but there's been some insightful responses at least, I respect that.

Did some viewing of old posts, ROK, etc. and just starting to grasp the extent of the history on this forum around inflammatory threads, or trolling topics. Understandable why this could have been misinterpreted in that sense.

Will keep this in mind for the future.

 

[soup]

This thread could be re-titled "how do white people get down with people of color?(serious)"

Most white boys try to emulate their favorite rapper's patois.

Others try to prove themselves by doing crazy shit to be accepted. Maybe this is a form of peacocking in front of non-whites?

Some would argue that race doesn't exist. You could try going into a black neighborhood and performing this to show that you understand humor of all colors

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Joking aside- it is kind of funny to see Chris Rock sipping from a growler 20 years before they've became a hipster item.

 

[Ingocnito]

Join a multiracial dance crew. This is the only way.

 

[Teedub]

What makes me laugh is that, and yes I know I do bang on and on about this subject - Zimmerman isn't white. He's a full blown Mestizo. That category needs to be inserted into the U.S Census soon. It appears in America a person's race is defined by their last name.

There are white people with Spanish names (look at Spain for crying out loud) and mestizos with 'white' (read: non-what WASP american's perceive as 'white') names. Fuck's sake this shit drives me up the wall. Don't know why really, as it doesn't affect my life one iota, it's just ignorance on such nationwide scale irritates me.

The media trying to make this a 'white people are all racist' thing is pretty despicable if you ask me, even if Zimmerman was a full blown Nordic looking fellow. Their use of that Trayvon-as-a-kid picture/Zimmerman in jail clothes is also utterly deplorable.

I don't know enough about the case to offer anything more than that, and my post is actually in the wrong thread to be honest - although this thread was about race so I offered this.

EDIT: To answer the original question, a white person shouldn't have to PROVE he isn't a racist. Not in America, not anywhere. Some people are racist, some aren't - all people I mean, not just white people. It isn't the media's job (although they think it is) to 'rat out' those who are.