How does a white person in North America prove that they aren't racist? (serious)
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Mekorig said:
I'm curious, do the words "Latino" or "Hispanic" mean anything at all to you in the first place? It seems they're peculiar to the US due to the high rates of immigration from Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean.
Maybe. It depends on whether you check the right box on the census form. If you were to move to the US, live here for awhile and still not consider yourself Hispanic, you just wouldn't check that box. You might still be counted by country of origin in some estimates. That's hard to say.
For average people in the US-- is Spanish your preferred and primary language? Do you consider yourself culturally Argentinian? Do you tend to associate with other Spanish-speaking people from Latin America? If you answered yes to those questions, odds are high you would be considered "White Hispanic". On the other hand if you spoke with a very mild European accent (or no accent) and comport yourself like a typical white person from North America or Europe, people are much less likely to classify you as Hispanic.
Note that the language thing is not a 100% predictor either, people still might take you for Hispanic if you spoke Portuguese or Italian. (Less likely for Italian because the US has such a large Italian immigrant population)
Hencredible Casanova said:
Actually, it started with the liberals who released the floodgates for Hispanic immigration:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965
I agree that Republicans have done nothing about this issue either. But to blame one over the other, I'd say it mostly goes to the Democrats who have really gained from Hispanic immigration.
Blaster said:
For me, it means nothing per se. I know that political groups use it for their own goals of a "South and Central American brotherhood", but culturally, the only countries i can relate are Uruguay, and in the lesser way, Chile and Brazil.
Blaster said:
Yeah, i consider myself culturally argentinian, if you understand the argentinian culture as a new culture born of a mix of other diferent european cultures.
I speak spanish, it is my mother lenguage, but i do not have problem of expressing myself in other lenguages (i am trying to learn german and portuguese right now). As per asociating with people of other "Latin" countries, i have some contact, but no preference over other nationalities (its the same for me to game a Colombian or a Belgian girl).
Samseau said:
Immigration skyrocketed during the 1980s and Reagan is the only US President to date to have given amnesty to illegal immigrants:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672
Of course, the corporate establishment of the Republican party loves immigrants. They love the work ethic, competitiveness, docility, and the willingness to work more for less than native born Americans, whether you're talking about the guy flipping burgers or the computer scientist from India.
The elites in general -irrespective of political affiliation - love immigrants. Immigration preserves their privilege.
OK, to Samseau, who didn't answer my previous question about "who, in the above examples would you consider white" on page 5, I have a little test. It's all in fun, and I don't mean any offense. Anyone else is entitled to chime in, but if you know who these people are it would ruin it a little. Sam, maybe you also know, but I've not read a post of yours in the soccer thread, so I thought I'd use soccer players/coaches. Blaster, your input would also be appreciated as you have also conversed with me on this 'Latino' issue.
Below are the pictures of five, to me at least, white people. Yet, only one would really be considered white in America. I say that, because 1 person in the picture is Spanish, from Spain, and G Manifesto said that really, a Spaniard isn't truly considered white. Weird. I have posted these photos to elaborate what speakeasy said, that basically, if someone looks like they come from Europe, then they're white. I mean, I see people posting things like "I love Brazil and Argentina, the women are hot. I'm done with white women, i'm strictly after latinas now." These are the types of comments that make me, speakeasy and others raise this debate. And also why I said it was "madness" and why speakeasy said it was "weird". Most of those Argentinians ARE white, ditto with white Brazilians! They aren't 'Latinas', there's no such thing, at least not as a separate race. People should say, "I'm through with white Anglos" or something. Anyway, back to my test. Which one is white, and which aren't? The point I'm trying to make is that racially, Latino/Hispanic shouldn't be a category, and whilst the census also says this, many Americans are ignorant of this.
A)
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Only one of the above would be called white by many Americans. Starting to see how absurd it is?
So, which one is it?
EDIT: I've added one more, so 2 would be considered white, maybe three if you include Spaniard, which ones are they?
Below are the pictures of five, to me at least, white people. Yet, only one would really be considered white in America. I say that, because 1 person in the picture is Spanish, from Spain, and G Manifesto said that really, a Spaniard isn't truly considered white. Weird. I have posted these photos to elaborate what speakeasy said, that basically, if someone looks like they come from Europe, then they're white. I mean, I see people posting things like "I love Brazil and Argentina, the women are hot. I'm done with white women, i'm strictly after latinas now." These are the types of comments that make me, speakeasy and others raise this debate. And also why I said it was "madness" and why speakeasy said it was "weird". Most of those Argentinians ARE white, ditto with white Brazilians! They aren't 'Latinas', there's no such thing, at least not as a separate race. People should say, "I'm through with white Anglos" or something. Anyway, back to my test. Which one is white, and which aren't? The point I'm trying to make is that racially, Latino/Hispanic shouldn't be a category, and whilst the census also says this, many Americans are ignorant of this.
A)
B)
C)
D)
E)
F)
Only one of the above would be called white by many Americans. Starting to see how absurd it is?
So, which one is it?
EDIT: I've added one more, so 2 would be considered white, maybe three if you include Spaniard, which ones are they?
Hencredible Casanova said:
This.
The Whites in power are still going to be chilling regardless of what happens demographically. Its the Whites who are in the middle to the bottom who are going to have very interesting times. Also, its clear that the unofficial deal made after the Bacon's rebellion between poor Whites and the elite is over. So, I don't blame poor, working and middle class White males for starting to feel a little salty and betrayed.
The sad truth is that the elites in this country do not give a shit about other non-wealthy Whites and that's a very hard pill to swallow for some. They can project their anger and frustration on Blacks, immigrants, Feminism, Multiculturalism, diversity but the fact is that none of those "problems" would exist without the co-sign of the Elite of this country.
I remember listening to Hot 97( Hip hop radio station in NYC)morning radio show the morning after the 9/11 attacks. The host at the time Starr(big Ayn Rand fan) had professor Cornell West on the show. He asked professor West to breakdown what was going on. Professor West said that this was basically the beginning of the "Niggerization of America," in a nut shell, that White America will begin to experience what Blacks have been going thru for decades; scared of random acts of violence, economic uncertainly, marginalization and a general feeling of hopeless that they can't do anything about it.
Shiiiiiiit, Obama was elected having lost the majority of the White vote. NYC is ground zero(no pun intended ) for this phenomenon. For example, there were quite a few career paths for White males who did not want to go to college. They could go into the union trades(plumbing, electrician, mason) or uniform services(Police, Sanitation, Correction, Fire Department) Those jobs were very well paid considering they only have a HS diploma and great benefits. Until very recently those jobs had a full bag of tricks to excluded Blacks and minorities. The elites went along with it with a wink and a nod for decades. Not anymore. The Fire Department is the last hold out(96% White and Male), but the writing is on the wall for them. They are being forced to desegregate as we speak. They are mad as hell, ranting about lower standards and shit, but nobody cares.
Now because of NYC changing demographics and the new economic landscape, White males are on the same boat as Blacks and Hispanics after HS graduation in NY. Either work for minimum wage mixing paint at Home
Depot or join the military.
playa_with_a_passport said:
Is that beta?
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