How does taking acid change you?

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funkyzeit

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Mild consumption from time to time is nothing bad. I smoke a joint like once a month and that's it. But I remember my friend who used to take LSD few days a week. After few months of this he started to really deteriorate mentally and had these retard moments where he just watched you in silence with his mouth open and drooling. I also knew a girl who did coke regularly. She would blow you or fuck you wherever you wanted if she knew you can get her some.
 

Billy Chubbs

Woodpecker
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I'm not a fan of acid. Mushrooms are magic. They changed my life. You can't explain them, it's something you have to try for yourself.
 

cmrocks

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cardguy said:
I don't want to be rude about people that take drugs. But I sometimes that people of lesser intelligence are more impressed by drugs than those who have the ability to think deeply.

There's actually a fairly high correlation between drug use and intelligence.

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cardguy

 
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Intelligent people work in creative industries, are richer and have more free time to be stoned and not give a fuck.

That skews the statistics.

If you look at the fields of science, mathematics, business, music, art, film making and writing - you will find that the best people don't take many drugs. Apart from the alcohol and cigarettes.

And those that do take powerful drugs (like acid) tend to just do it once. For instance - the Beatles and Steve Jobs.

If you lined up the top thousand people in any industry - you will find that alcohol is the most common drug, followed by cigarettes, followed by cocaine or weed - with powerful psychedelics trailing in the background. And even those people who use powerful drugs will tend not to make a habit of it.

That is the type of analysis that is important. Not just comparing whether or not people with higher IQ's take more drugs than people with lower IQ's.

Since there is a strong correlation between certain types of jobs, education (ie killing time at Uni) and wealth - and IQ.

Such that you may as well say that people with higher IQ's are more likely to drive expensive cars. Even though buying an expensive car is a stupid thing to do since you are paying ultimately paying for status - and trying to impress people is a dumb game to play.
 
cardguy said:
Intelligent people work in creative industries, are richer and have more free time to be stoned and not give a fuck.

That skews the statistics.

If you look at the fields of science, mathematics, business, music, art, film making and writing - you will find that the best people don't take many drugs. Apart from the alcohol and cigarettes.

And those that do take powerful drugs (like acid) tend to just do it once. For instance - the Beatles and Steve Jobs.

If you lined up the top thousand people in any industry - you will find that alcohol is the most common drug, followed by cigarettes, followed by cocaine or weed - with powerful psychedelics trailing in the background. And even those people who use powerful drugs will tend not to make a habit of it.

That is the type of analysis that is important. Not just comparing whether or not people with higher IQ's take more drugs than people with lower IQ's.

Since there is a strong correlation between certain types of jobs, education (ie killing time at Uni) and wealth - and IQ.

Such that you may as well say that people with higher IQ's are more likely to drive expensive cars. Even though buying an expensive car is a stupid thing to do since you are paying ultimately paying for status - and trying to impress people is a dumb game to play.

Show me the data.

Poor people with low IQs who live in the projects have a ton of free time. Why aren't they skewing the statistics to show that people with low IQs do more drugs?

We can come up with all sorts of rationalizations, but unless they actually fit the facts those rationalizations smell just as bad as the ass we pulled them out of.
 

Fitzgerald

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There have been studies that show more intelligent and creative people tend to have addiction problem. I'm not supplying the data, it can be googled.

I prefer shrooms to acid. Both are fun, but LSD puts me in a very nihilistic mood: "We're just living in the echoes of things that happened eons ago man, there's nothing we can do to change or fix things" vs. the shroom's effects of:"Wheeeee, I'm a dancing child of the Universe!" Acid feels like I'm on a fast ship moving through the alternate world, whereas shrooms feels like I'm carefully walking through it, trying to appreciate the native inhabitants. Yeah, I did a lot of those things.

I've done A LOT of shrooms and acid, love them. (Absolutely blew up my worldview, I started to learn about red pill shortly after, that totally changed me. Of course I smoke weed on a regular basis, and drink alcohol a few times a week, too.)

In my experience, all the other drug-using folks I know who like hallucinogenics, even if they are poor, all tend to be intelligent, well-read, well-rounded people.

The unintelligent drug-users I know, the ones who can't have a deep conversation, haven't cracked a book in years or ever, watch shit TV, are unemployed, etc., HATE acid, shrooms, or anything psychedelic. They drink alcohol and smoke weed as well, but when it comes to the hard/illegal stuff, they prefer cocaine, crack, meth and speed type drugs that make you go "Y-YEAH!" instead of "Whoa, mindexplode.gif".

There was a study done on priests in seminary who were administered psilocybin (shrooms) several decades ago, and when they were followed-up on decades later, they still rated the experience as one of the most spiritual experiences that they had ever had.
 

cardguy

 
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@ElBorrachoInfamoso - that is a fair rebuttal of what I wrote. Statistics are pretty useless these days - since people can always try and pick holes in the conclusions and spin a different way of trying to pull out what it is the numbers are saying.

As for acid (or magic mushrooms) - are flashbacks common? And is it scary when it happens?
 

J DOE

Woodpecker
cardguy said:
@ElBorrachoInfamoso - that is a fair rebuttal of what I wrote. Statistics are pretty useless these days - since people can always try and pick holes in the conclusions and spin a different way of trying to pull out what it is the numbers are saying.

As for acid (or magic mushrooms) - are flashbacks common? And is it scary when it happens?
I think the occurrence of flashbacks is blown way out of proportion. I've done Shrooms 6 times, acid like 12 times and DMT twice and I've never had a single 'flashback' the way they're described.
 

Fitzgerald

Woodpecker
I don't think shrooms cause flashbacks at all, since they exit the body entirely. They are technically a poisonous substance, so the body flushes it out when all is said and done. To accurately test for psilocybin, you have to check feces, and if it's been longer than a couple days, the test will be negative. LSD hangs around in the spinal fluid. I had a friend who had done so much, every time he cracked his back, he had a short trip.

"Flashbacks", and all those other stories where a person killed or maimed themselves under a frightening delusion are overblown, like J Doe sez. They're probably mostly urban legend, but if they do occur, it probably happens to teenagers who have a witches brew of hormones boiling in their brains already, or the user took way way way too much.

Know the dosing, that's of utmost importance. Secondary is being in a peaceful or happy state of mind when you take, if you've been anxious at all or angry, you're going to have a bad time.
Everyone I know who tried tripping and hated it usually made the rookie mistakes: they took too much, they also took other drugs that don't react well, or they went out into the middle of the woods at night and got scared. In your own living room with experienced friends is the best way to trip your first time.

Check out erowid.org, it's a great resource for stories, effects, dosing, etc of virtually every psychoactive drug known to man.
 
cardguy said:
As for acid (or magic mushrooms) - are flashbacks common? And is it scary when it happens?

I never did shrooms so I can't speak to that.

I did get flashbacks from acid though. I've had dozens of flashbacks from acid but I haven't had any since about 1-1.5 years after I quit taking acid completely. They were never severe and never caused much impairment. They were more like mild sensory hallucinations e.g. getting evanescent squiggly lines in my field of vision, or the pattern of a carpet appearing to undulate. I did a lot of acid though. I stopped counting around 50 hits but I estimate I reached 70ish hits before I got sick of it and gave up acid completely.

Half of my druggy friends from high school are doing just fine, engineers, MDs, businesspeople, etc. the other half completely fucked up their lives.
 

monster

Pelican
ElBorrachoInfamoso said:
Half of my druggy friends from high school are doing just fine, engineers, MDs, businesspeople, etc. the other half completely fucked up their lives.

That's pretty much sums up half of everyone - druggy or not.
 

Veloce

Crow
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Once you take acid, you never really come down.

Also, there's something very familiar about the process. While I was high on acid, in a different world, somehow it felt familiar and during the trip I thought, "I always knew this place was here, I always knew it would be like this."

I'm not sure if this makes sense but it probably makes sense to anyone that's taken it.
 
Not sure what you mean by flashbacks but some memories can be extremely vivid. With psilocybin(never experienced this with acid) some bad memories have appeared so real, that it is like I was living the moment for the second time. Imagine a dream you had which felt incredibly real -- those memory flashbacks can be even more vibrant.

By the way, I will be trying DMT for the first time in 1-2 weeks, let's see how that turns out...


I stumbled upon this interesting video about acid/psilocybin etc.
 

R Smoov

Pelican
Took a tab before.

Looked at this poster with two girls in bikinis.
I could have sworn those bitches were making out in front of my eyes.

Example thread of me taking acid:
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-17033.html

Just make sure to stay safe when doing this shit. Don't use any form of communications like a phone or anything. While on acid, I thought my mom was homeless.
 

UnW

Kingfisher
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A lot of my friends tell me how they really opened their eyes once they took it.
 

Isaac Jordan

Kingfisher
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Most of the guys I know that take acid like to trip balls, and that's certainly enjoyable in its own way, but my best experience so far (I've taken it four times over the past several years) was about a month ago when a buddy and I each took half a tab and spent a few hours walking around my city on a nice spring day.

We both felt three major effects:

1) We did not give a single shit. We simply stopped caring about what other people thought entirely. We passed dozens of people while walking around the city, but we never lowered our voices, never changed our (usually inappropriate) conversational topics, never felt weird or awkward or like people were judging us. At one point we wanted to listen to a song, so my buddy just put Calvin Harris on his phone as we walked around. Later we saw this magnificent magnolia and felt the urge to climb it, so we did. And then talked and laughed and shouted random things at passerby for half an hour. We just didn't care, we were alive and having fun and everything was wonderful.

2) We effortlessly communicated. Often I have to stop momentarily and think about what I want to say next in a conversation. While we were tripping it was like we were on another level, where jokes and puns and witticisms easily flowed and my friend and I just kept building off of each other. I'd normally attribute this to us simply thinking we were more "on" due to the acid, but later on in the night we ate dinner outside at a local cafe and were able to pull two cute waitresses to our table who kept coming by to talk for five or ten minutes at a time because we were the most interesting guys they'd ever met at work. (We didn't get numbers because my buddy lived out of town and I'm pretty into my current girl, but I'm sure we could've pulled an afterparty.) It was like we were communicating at a level above most people; because we just didn't care, we were completely genuine, and the girls could sense it.

3) Everything just seemed a little bit...better. It was similar to smoking pot, where the food was tastier, the music more enticing, and the small everyday things that usually annoy me just fade into the background. We were both so ecstatic to be alive right there in that moment, so grateful for everything we were experiencing. It reminded me of the American Beauty scene where the guy is entranced by the bag floating in the wind. It's hard to explain.

All in all, if you're unsure about tripping hard, a low dose is definitely fun in and of itself. There's no crazy visuals or hallucinations, and it's certainly easier to talk to people. I could easily see myself popping half a tab and doing some day game.
 

Cr33pin

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James Scott quits Days Of Our Lives... month after hallucinogenic life changing experience in Peru
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xpatplayer

Kingfisher
What taking acid several times over the past several years has done for me:

1. We delude ourselves everyday

The hamster doesn't only apply to women, it also applies to men. Ina sense, acid is the red-pill because it makes you realize how stupid most rules are. They are all full of shit. Civilization is essentially a racket made by smart men without game in order to get laid. Same with all wars, men want more land and more wealth to essentially get laid. That's it.
Locke's State of Nature explains how the world should be. We should all be in tribes, fucking one another and having fun all day long. (Reminds me of this epithet). We should pursue better technology and happier lives, not status. Pursuit of status only benefits those at the very top, since it becomes easy to control you.
Want to save yourself from other scams that so called respectable members of society fall for (including university)? Be rational. Look at things for what they really are - making those with power more powerful.

2. You are only as free as you let yourself be

Other people's opinions don't matter. Neither does what society tells you. You are capable of anything you put yourself to. Just realize that you are capable, go out and do it.
Maximal pleasure can only be achieved when you free yourself from trivialities around you (including discussing politics, current events and such). Focus on self-improvement and improving lives. This could be by being a doctor, a scientist, a professor, a social worker, anything. Just be sure to make sure that if you aren't happy, you can take some time off. The money will come to those with the best skills, so focus on that.

3. Stress isn't worth it

Stress doesn't get you anywhere. It just kills you. Be like The Dude from the Big Lebowski, a man without any worry and stress. If something doesn't work out, its cool. Don't sweat and either try again or sit back and relax.

4. Experiences count, not material worth

The experiences you have had make life worth living, not the money you have or the girls you've fucked. Would you rather have seen the world and have fucked 50 girls and die without much money or just live in one city, have fucked 200 girls and die rich? Its experience that counts, nothing else.

5. If you have to go through elaborate rituals to get something, its not worth it

Don't be a sellout, be yourself and be happy. This is why I don't like nightgame in America, the elaborate mating rituals aren't worth it most of the time. Same with religion. What god would want you to do a bunch of stupid shit to appease him (not trying to insult any religions here)? Just go out and do it. Don't spend time getting everything ready.
 

Veloce

Crow
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Isaac Jordan said:

Man that all resonates hard.

I had a group of friends that I tripped regularly with in my early 20s. We had a blast. Acid, mushrooms, morning glory seeds, we took anything. We learned more about life in a few hallucinogenic trips than we did in 12 years of schooling.

Your bit about being in public reminds me of a mushroom trip I did with a friend at the Getty Museum. We were both experienced at that point and both felt totally comfortable having vivid hallucinations around hundreds of complete strangers. These were very potent, very good quality mushrooms.

The only time we lost our shit was when we went to the cafeteria. Neither of us were hungry but we figured that was because the drug was suppressing our appetite, and that our bodies probably needed some calories. We were definitely overthinking it and obviously we would have been fine not eating anything.

Anyway we get in line and the ludicrous-ness of the cafeteria really hit us hard. Just looking at a Caesar salad all wrapped up in plastic made us break out into completely unhinged, childish laughter. We were completely incredulous, "WHY would anyone do that man?! Wrap up a salad, in PLASTIC?!" We put the salad on our tray with some trail mix and Reese's Pieces.

We sat down in the middle of all these distinguished tourists and visitors, French and Japanese tourists dressed in suits and shit, looked down at our tray, and kept laughing hysterically at our choices. "THIS is what we chose for lunch? Salad and candy?!" It spiralled downward pretty rapidly from there. Upon opening the bag of trail mix, the bag was stuck and wouldn't open, so my buddy used some brute force and when it finally popped open there was trail mix flying everywhere, onto other peoples' tables and at this point people started looking at us sideways like, "Who in the hell let these maniacs in?"

We're sitting there eating what's left of the trail mix off of the table, and one of us says, "Trail mix is such a metaphor for life, man. The sweet stuff, it's hidden in there." This prompted more ridiculous laughter. I had a notebook that I kept with me (I still have it, full of insane scribblings) and I started to write down what we just said about the trail mix metaphor, and then we couldn't figure out who had said it, me or him. Most of our conversations started going down that path, with both of us not sure who had said what. Sometimes there would be talking, or quiet, but one of us would say, "What?" and neither of us could remember if we were actually in conversation or not. We were literally in a dream state. We'd take a break and go into the impressionism room and stare at all these paintings that were moving around and appeared to be backlit by moving lights. Personally, I felt absolutely connected to the painting and the artist, and that I could get inside his head as he was making the painting. At one point I went into the garden and meditated (I was very into meditation at the time). It was like someone stuck a flux capacitor to my cerebral cortex. Even doing breathing meditations took my head into outer space. I spent what felt like 4 hours staring at a perfect flower, my brain in a completely different dimension. Like I said these were good shrooms.

It was a fantastic trip and very profound, the kind of day that sticks with you forever.

Well, a few years later I was dating this girl and figured hey, she's done mushrooms before, it'd be fun to take her to that same museum and take mushrooms together, maybe recreate some of that magic.

Nope. She got sick. We're sitting there in a garden, surrounded by tourists, and she stands up and projectile vomits everywhere. I had taken mushrooms and acid so many times I forgot that many people get sick on mushrooms, and now here I am in this situation with my girl puking her guts out in front of a crowd and it's making a scene. I kept my cool, put my arm around here, "Must be something she ate! ha ha..." and quickly rushed her off to the women's bathroom. She was in there what seemed like an hour. It could have been 5 minutes, I was high as a kite. Then I started getting paranoid that she was having a bad trip in there and was probably sitting on a toilet staring at the wall and freaking out.

Finally she came out and bless her heart, she kept her shit together pretty well. We decided to get the fuck out of there and we get back to the tram, and the tram was down. It was 92 degrees out, we're having a pretty sour trip, everyone around us has their arms crossed and is angry and impatient, and we picked up on those vibes x 100. It's the closest thing I've come to a bad trip. I tried to keep things upbeat and eventually I started joking with her, "Hey, you know what, obviously this wasn't meant to be. Let's just laugh at what else could possibly go wrong." and that seemed to work with her. We finally got back to my car and I drove us to the beach but by that time the shrooms were wearing off.

Anyway it's a lesson that's happened several times with me and psychedelics. When you try to recreate an absolutely heavenly previous experience, things can go terribly wrong. Those incredible experiences happen due to a convergence of unique circumstances beyond our control and it's not something you can force.
 
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