How many truths there are in the Norman Ohler's book " Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany" ?

Goni

Robin
Norman Ohler is a "New York Times" journalist.

Personally I do not trust any western newspaper, especially the big ones that are owned by international finance.

In the book mentioned in the title, this guy speaks how Hitler was hooked on drugs, how many of National Socialist leadership was also addicted to methamphetamine etc.

Not just that, but he states that pills were given in mass to german families and that they were also widely used on soldiers.

Not just occasionally, but since September 1939.

It is well known that for 75 years Hollywood has demonized everything related to the 3rd Reich.

As Hitler himself was a vegetarian , non smoker, anti alcohol, initiated an anti smoking campaign in Germany etc, is maybe this guy Ohler trying to push for an agenda here?

Anyone that is informed, is more than welcomed to share his arguments and opinions about this case.
 

Radoste

Pigeon
Norman Ohler is a "New York Times" journalist.
Then it's garbage. End of story.
But I still looked into it the book. The pop culture references and pun chapter names don't give me the impression of a serious work of scholarship. It seems like someone else just adding to the heap of post-war Nazi condemnation, except with a drug-oriented angle for our contemporary society that is thoroughly contaminated and interested by drugs.

If you're interested in books about Hitler that aren't permated with lies, deliberate misrepresentations, and propaganda read the following:

Hitler: Beyond Evil & Tyranny; R.H.S Stolfi
Hitler's War; David Irving
 

stilldt

Sparrow
Norman Ohler is a "New York Times" journalist.

Personally I do not trust any western newspaper, especially the big ones that are owned by international finance.

In the book mentioned in the title, this guy speaks how Hitler was hooked on drugs, how many of National Socialist leadership was also addicted to methamphetamine etc.

Not just that, but he states that pills were given in mass to german families and that they were also widely used on soldiers.

Not just occasionally, but since September 1939.

It is well known that for 75 years Hollywood has demonized everything related to the 3rd Reich.

As Hitler himself was a vegetarian , non smoker, anti alcohol, initiated an anti smoking campaign in Germany etc, is maybe this guy Ohler trying to push for an agenda here?

Anyone that is informed, is more than welcomed to share his arguments and opinions about this case.
I enjoyed it, though the beginning chapters about the meth fueled blitzkreig were far more interesting than the stuff on Hitler. Amphetamines were likely one of, if not the biggest contributors to German success in the beginning of the war. I don't know what you found unbelievable about it. Everything seemed to line up with the accounts of Hitler I've seen. You do realize that it was a big point of the book that his doctor specifically hid the various uppers from Hitler's knowledge and claimed it was all from the vitamin supplements Hitler was gung ho about?
 

Goni

Robin
I enjoyed it, though the beginning chapters about the meth fueled blitzkreig were far more interesting than the stuff on Hitler. Amphetamines were likely one of, if not the biggest contributors to German success in the beginning of the war. I don't know what you found unbelievable about it. Everything seemed to line up with the accounts of Hitler I've seen. You do realize that it was a big point of the book that his doctor specifically hid the various uppers from Hitler's knowledge and claimed it was all from the vitamin supplements Hitler was gung ho about?
So the Blitzkrieg was successful mainly because of the mass use of drugs on German soldiers??

Tactics and Strategy used by Guderian and Von Manstein , bravery of german soldiers, better command etc player a minuscule role compared to drugs?

It is good that you have read the book.

However I am suspicious about almost everything that comes from western media and newspapers relating to topics of WW2.

Since you read the book, how can you prove the accuracy of Ohler's claims in the book?
 

Goni

Robin
Then it's garbage. End of story.
But I still looked into it the book. The pop culture references and pun chapter names don't give me the impression of a serious work of scholarship. It seems like someone else just adding to the heap of post-war Nazi condemnation, except with a drug-oriented angle for our contemporary society that is thoroughly contaminated and interested by drugs.

If you're interested in books about Hitler that aren't permated with lies, deliberate misrepresentations, and propaganda read the following:

Hitler: Beyond Evil & Tyranny; R.H.S Stolfi
Hitler's War; David Irving
I am aware of the 2 authors you mentioned here and i will start reading Irving's book in a week.

However we need to prove that Ohler's book is a garbage.

Saying is a garbage book just because he is a New York Times journalist, is not enough.
 

stilldt

Sparrow
So the Blitzkrieg was successful mainly because of the mass use of drugs on German soldiers??

Tactics and Strategy used by Guderian and Von Manstein , bravery of german soldiers, better command etc player a minuscule role compared to drugs?

It is good that you have read the book.

However I am suspicious about almost everything that comes from western media and newspapers relating to topics of WW2.

Since you read the book, how can you prove the accuracy of Ohler's claims in the book?
Its more that the tactics available were largely augmented/more effective because of amphetamine. The soldiers were able to stay awake at a functional level and didnt require the same amount of food toremain operational while their enemies fatigued. I dont know why this is so outlandish to you. I never got the idea from the book that tge author was claiming the German high command was thinking "f the soldiers make them drug addicts and ruin their lives." They had very recently invented the stuff and didnt know what the effects of long term use were.

As to the other claims, IIRC his theory on hitler was based on access to the doctors private diary of what he gave hitler. Tge author admitted that it was his speculation based on the noted physical effects and coded language in the diary that he was feeding hitler uppers.
 

LeBeau

Ostrich
Gold Member
It is good that you have read the book.

However I am suspicious about almost everything that comes from western media and newspapers relating to topics of WW2.

Since you read the book, how can you prove the accuracy of Ohler's claims in the book?
What's the point of starting a thread if you've already made up your mind and you're just going to be pedantic towards other members contributing to the discussion?
 

stilldt

Sparrow
Ya, it is strange. Pretty sure he's never read it, so where did he even get the info on it?

FYI, it's on hoopla audiobooks if you've got a library card and it's only like 5 hrs long.
 

Goni

Robin
What's the point of starting a thread if you've already made up your mind and you're just going to be pedantic towards other members contributing to the discussion?
I am not being pedantic my friend.

Keep in mind that Ohler says all these things and it seems the member above read all his book.

He is the author, but that does not make him authentic regarding the truth.

He might very well be one of the many " historians" that have seen WW2 only from the winners point of view who were the International Finance.

My question is very simple: How can we verify the accuracy of the things he has written?
 

stilldt

Sparrow
If you actually read it, he mentions his sources all over in it. I remember him quoting lots of things from the doctors journal and even letters from other Nazi high commanders who basically hated the doctor and his effect on Hitler. I don't think you even know what's in the book. It really sounds like you're trying to rescue hitler's image or something. He does come off poorly, but not in a crazy drug addict way. Much more of a delusional, sick man. He was literally having emulsified cattle organs pumped into him, and that was with his full consent.
 
I wouldn’t be shocked if Hitler was on powerful drugs, at least during certain speeches. Even Evola commented that he sometimes appeared possessed in a way that other orators were not.
 

Goni

Robin
I have read few of the pages of the book and also checked the sources.

The " sources" are basically source after source.

Pretty much like Schindler's List which was 90% garbage.

Normally if I would have read all the book and made my own research, I wouldn't have created this topic.

And btw, I am aware that pills were used by german soldiers to make them more efficient and brave in combat.

But to say that pills were used in every battle and that pills were distributed to german families, that is an overblown statement.

I am not against or trying to debunk you about Hitler.

You might very well be right.
 
It is certainly disappointing to see the West having devolved into a state whereby its own political and historical affairs are consistently fictionalized through Jewish abstraction and self-projection.

I come across many arguments in academia, literature, and online, where they seem convinced that Adolf Hitler was mad, that he was a schizophrenic, a sexual degenerate, possessed, or on drugs. As proof, we are pointed to clips of a speech where he appears to be screaming - but the question I always pose to these individuals is the following: Do you speak German, yourself?

I am a native speaker of the language, and I can say with anecdotal certainty (this is the internet, after all) that in none of his speeches does he come across as a madman. If anything, he uses certain phrase formulation and sentence structures that are an extremely artistic and beautiful part of the German language, but have unfortunately been lost in the modern era. In many of his Reichstag speeches, he attempts to introduce sarcasm and humour in his arguments, hence when you see the audience smiling, clapping and laughing. Yes, they weren't forced to do so, he actually made a joke. He was indeed a very down-to-earth human being by all first-hand eyewitness accounts (supported by many books and biographies by German authors), regardless of what image the Jews have conjured up.

Then what about the alleged screaming? Surely, we are told, no normal orator or politician would speak that way, as we have not seen any US president deliver a speech in such a format. But what is lost to most adherents of this school of thought, is that there may certainly be cases where a human being is overtly passionate about their objective, and about the topic which they wish to deliver or preach to their followers. In an age before fancy, modern propaganda and background music and sound effects, he had discovered a way to deliver his true emotions to his audiences, with the utmost success.

Now, having said that, am I defending him, or as someone put it earlier, am I trying to rescues his image? Not at all, because there is nothing to rescue or defend when dealing with truth. On one hand, we have Jewish propaganda, and on the other, the truth. We can sit here all day and argue among ourselves over such and such Professor Shekelberg having referenced this, or the Professor Goodgoy's research funded by Billionaire Silverberg also having confirmed that, at the end of the day, we are not arriving at our own conclusions, but rather playing within their own abstractions, within the sandbox laid out for us.
 

Sword and Board

Woodpecker
Every video game or movie ive watched portrays Germans circa world war 1/2 as crazed, inhuman, evil cold blooded monsters. This isnt by accident.

Ive noticed a lot of historical figures that were critical of Jews are subject to a lot of whacky defamation. When you control the media you control all the information. Its incredibly powerful and the normies just dont get it.
 

Thomas More

Hummingbird
I have no doubt that in the late 19th century and early 20th century, a lot of drugs were used in ways that were later recognized to have long term health consequences.

As for giving amphetamines to soldiers, the idea of enhanced performance though drugs was wide spread. Even now, we take testosterone to enhance performance, and we watch movies like Universal Soldier about enhanced warriors.

Likewise, "vitamin" shots that give you a boost were very popular, and they actually contained speed or steroids or both.

JFK had some kind of severe chronic back pain, and he had a regular Dr. Feelgood supplying him with painkillers and uppers. So did Michael Jackson and the artist formerly known as Prince.

Football players get a lot of these kind of drugs, and used to get far more before concerns about doping became widespread.

The Communist Bloc nations used to give every kind of performance enhancing drug to their athletes, so they probably did to their soldiers.

Mother's in the 50s and 60s used to have pep pills and nerve pills they got from their doctors. The Kinks had a song about Mother's Little Helper about this topic. Truck drivers used to routinely use speed to be able to do longer hauls.

Coca Cola used to have coca leaf extract in it. Various patent medicines had opium and all kinds of other strong drugs in them, marketed as a treatment for menstrual cramps.

I could go on and on. Do I think the Nazis used a lot of drugs, and doped up their soldiers? It seems certain they did. The US and other allies probably did too, although I can't say if it was more or less than the Nazis. I suspect the Nazis did it more because they had a more aggressive approach to driving people to their limits.

Is it likely that a NY Times hipster has a dumb, ironic and quirky take on the topic? It seems practically certain. If you imagined the book being read out loud, you'd have to imagine the voice using up talking. If you can filter out his ironic, hipster writing style, and automatic Nazis-are-bad-mkay attitude, there's probably some truth to the story he's telling.
 
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Sword and Board

Woodpecker
If only (((Ehrenberg))) Chief propagandist of the Soviet Union had added drug taking to the list alongside lampshades, human soap and shrunken heads when he was touring America to compel the public to fight the evil nazi’s
 
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