How My Autistic Game and Massive Thirst Got Me Kicked out of Krav Maga [re-titled]

[Constitution45]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Ah you have those awkward moments, you live and learn. I have a very dry sense of humour and it has caused unintended offence before.

I hear you on the Krav Maga situation, there were a couple of women doing it who I had respect for, as they took it seriously. But then there were others who were completely disengaged, didn't even practice the moves on each other. While they were getting offended by me and my sparring partners swearing grunts we were making.

 

[Lucky]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

I did martial arts and frequently heard instructors talk about how girls can be tough too. The girls would start to believe it because guys would take it easy on them when sparring but as soon as a guy actually put his weight behind a punch girls would cry and have a mini meltdown. Instructors would berate the male students for going "too hard," something they would never say if two dudes were going at it.

We're supposed to be egalitarian with respect to women's combat abilities but never reveal to them how weak they truly are, otherwise you're a dick.

 

[Quintus Curtius]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

I agree with Tut's "culpability breakdown" in his post above. The apportionment of fault rings true to me.

There were contributing factors in your expulsion that you did not cause, but the majority of the blame falls on your shoulders.

You simply can't do this sort of thing in today's environment: mock sexual touching, suggestive statements, or oafish jokes. These women are just waiting for you to do something like this, so they can have the satisfaction of running you out.

The better thing would have been to ignore them completely, and keep the hell away from them. They're trouble, and can do you nothing but trouble. You acted like a fool and paid the price; be glad it wasn't something worse.

Personally, I would have bailed as soon as the character of the gym changed from a true men's sparring gym to a hug-and-cuddle playpen for fat bitches.

Lesson learned.

.

 

[A Simple Visitor]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Thanks for your answers, liked the honesty and loved the Rainman pic.

I should have precised that I didn't hit on those girls, was there to train myself not to game someone.
That's why I told shitty jokes, 'cause I didn't have anything to loose and it couldn't have any effect on me (well I was wrong on this one too haha).
Lesson learned.

PS: sorry Tuth for textspeak, will pay attention next time.

 

[Tuthmosis]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Instructors would berate the male students for going "too hard," something they would never say if two dudes were going at it.

We're supposed to be egalitarian with respect to women's combat abilities but never reveal to them how weak they truly are, otherwise you're a dick.

If you're slick, you pull the instructor aside after class one day and say you "feel uncomfortable" sparring with a woman. Ask to fight only the male opponents in the class. You can use the excuse you've laid out here ("I feel like I would be expected to go less hard on her or that some accidental hard hit would be interpreted more seriously than it would with a male opponent. That, or I'll subconsciously go less hard without trying. It's a lose-lose situation I've seen some of my friends at other studios have trouble with."). Or, you can ham it up and use the white-knight excuse ("I was taught to never hit a woman").

If they won't accommodate your needs, you can take your business elsewhere. You probably wouldn't be part of a studio that's that female-centric anyway. Just tell them--if they refuse to take your concern seriously--that you have no choice but go elsewhere and make the comment on their Yelp page (for other men with similar concerns about potential dojos), and then do a calm, collected write-up (not some angry screed) that isn't a wall of text.

Use your head to fight bullshit like this. Don't just bottle it up.

 

[Medic42]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

There's a point where you have accept that this is society and that women go to things that aren't necessarily optimal for them. There's also a point where you have to understand these guys are running a business and they can't have some "alpha" harassing the customers to make some kind of point.

This, I've trained in martial arts schools that had large female populations and it was simply understood that we put up with them because their dues paid the bills. Free advice if you're going to troll women do it on the internet, or away from your social circle. Unless your social circle was like the last martial arts school I trained at, in which case every New Years you get to hang out the window of your coaches loft mooing at the drunk, fat bitches stumbling down main street in their high heels.

 

[Darius]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

You simply can't do this sort of thing in today's environment: mock sexual touching, suggestive statements, or oafish jokes. These women are just waiting for you to do something like this, so they can have the satisfaction of running you out.

You can't do these things with women who are complete strangers.

You can do these things with women with whom you have built rapport with. You can say almost anything to a women with whom you have built some rapport.

I have seen guys say things like "Show us your tits." and the girl lights up because she loved the attention.

 

[Medic42]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Exactly this. I hate going with women for this reason. There was a brown belt who gave me attitude once because she thought I was going easy on her. The next time we went up vs. eachother I gave her the rough treatment and pretty much destroyed her. Since then she avoids me like the plague. Doesn't even make eye contact when we shake hands after class.

Same thing happened to a friend I used to train with. I was coaching them when she literally told him to, "fight me like you'd fight him." I made no bones about it and told her she didn't want that and told him not to do it. He black knighted up and dropped her like a sack of potatoes with a round house kick to the liver. When she managed to get back off the mat she actually had the ovaries to be upset with him. I laughed and told her, "you got what you asked for."

 

[AntiTrace]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Great example of over-gaming.

 

[teh_skeeze]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

This thread is mistitled. You got yourself kicked out. Did you go to class to learn or to dick around? What you were doing was very disrespectful. Be thankful the instructor wasn't like I was. I wouldn't have kicked you out, I would have my enforcer give you a controlled beating. That said, the instructor is partially to blame for having you spar with a female that wasn't capable of handling it. What was the gender ratio in class?

 

[Foolsgo1d]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

It's worse than monumentally bad game.

I hate to say this but I would clamp down on this kind of shit from one of my martial arts students if he behaved this way.

Mostly cause it could cost me a lot of £££.

If you clamped down on the core male members of any club your revenue will sink fast. Go to any gym during the warmer months and see all the women and other fairies pratting around trying to be in shape.

Come winter time or shit weather those people are gone. No income for you or your club.

I have left classes in Judo because some people were pathetic in sparring and I actually got a surprised look from the teacher when I threw a female blue belt. Being soft in these environments isn't good for a club.

The OP might have screwed it up a fair bit but those women are useless sacks of shit and don't stay for long.

 

[ManVsMachine]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

If you clamped down on the core male members of any club your revenue will sink fast. Go to any gym during the warmer months and see all the women and other fairies pratting around trying to be in shape.

Come winter time or shit weather those people are gone. No income for you or your club.

I have left classes in Judo because some people were pathetic in sparring and I actually got a surprised look from the teacher when I threw a female blue belt. Being soft in these environments isn't good for a club.

The OP might have screwed it up a fair bit but those women are useless sacks of shit and don't stay for long.

I agree with you on this long term value, but that's not really the point. It was like the above poster said, the OP got himself kicked out.

In an open gym membership trying to game some of the women is one thing, but in a controlled martial arts class where discipline is one of the chief components, even horsing around with other men is bad. Some people are training to get on amateur cards, spar in tournaments, or have their MA be applicable to them in some way take this class very seriously. This isn't independent weight training or conditioning.


This isn't a "white knight" thing, this is a "why are you screwing around in martial arts class" thing.


Besides......Didn't the OP say these chicks were 5s? Why would he even waste the time to mess around with these women if he was getting something productive out of the class? And that's the sort of playful game we'd run in high school too, but I guess that's besides the point......



Last thing....I hate to be pretentious but if the environment is inviting enough to attract 50% women to your class you might want to step up the intensity of your training in some way in the first place.

 

[aphelion]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Slightly related: I've always found girls in Brazilian jiu jitsu class to be really annoying.

They like to subtly pit guys against each other and attention whore, and they create all sorts of fucking drama that distracts from the purpose of being in the class in the first place.

And all but the best female grapplers get destroyed by dudes whom they significantly outrank.

BJJ girls are some of the only students I see who show up for the entire class and still manage to avoid breaking a sweat. Mostly they sit around (in their pink gis) and chit-chat. I actively avoid rolling with them. They get mad if it's obvious you're going easy on them but they also get mad if you roll with them like they were a guy because then they think you're being too rough.

I did have one girl in the BJJ class I took for a bit that was legit. Not a killer, just a white belt, but had been going for a year and was the instructor's girlfriend, and took it seriously.

She omoplata'd me.

 

[The Beast1]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Ugh this thread isn't going in the direction I hoped for.

Where are the 50 white knights?!

 

[Moreless]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Lesson learned.

Don't shit where you eat.

I rarely talk to anyone in my bjj class. I'm there to learn, not to make jokes and flirt with woman.

 

[el mechanico]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

No! Show up an beat his ass.

 

[Suits]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Be honest, tell me what you think.
Did I cross the line?

Yes, you crossed the line with those jokes.

But your instructor is an idiot due to his comments about women being equal to men.

Men and women should have different spheres. Women and men should not try together.

Women and men should socialize together, but I'm encouraging men to increasingly do so on their own turf, so that they can decide who stays and who goes. Women find it easy to be offended when on their own turf. For example, one honoured forum member ended up getting attacked by 30 whiteknights because of some bitch.

In public and in private business areas (Krav Maga classroom) that earn money from females and whiteknight bitches, political correctness rules the day and these are very much women's turf.

Your own residence and El Mech's autobody shop are some of the few example of "male" turf.

Use this to your advantage, avoid martial art classes with fat women and game the hell out of women on the street or in clubs.

Who cares where the line is when you are dealing with women that you never have to see again -- and who never have to see you again either? But avoid any talk about domination and male-female roles at work or in environments where it is going to hurt you. Right or wrong, just save yourself the trouble.

 

[VincentVinturi]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

Exactly this. I hate going with women for this reason. There was a brown belt who gave me attitude once because she thought I was going easy on her. The next time we went up vs. eachother I gave her the rough treatment and pretty much destroyed her. Since then she avoids me like the plague. Doesn't even make eye contact when we shake hands after class.

Same thing happened to a friend I used to train with. I was coaching them when she literally told him to, "fight me like you'd fight him." I made no bones about it and told her she didn't want that and told him not to do it. He black knighted up and dropped her like a sack of potatoes with a round house kick to the liver. When she managed to get back off the mat she actually had the ovaries to be upset with him. I laughed and told her, "you got what you asked for."

Hence why I maintain that Ronda Rousey's remark about how she would beat any male in her weightclass is either world-class trolling or next-level delusion.

Just watch her grappling with Gerard Mousassi on youtube, he completely outclasses her without even trying while she's huffing and puffing all over the place.

Women who enter traditionally male spaces are so coddled and protected from real competition that they actually start to believe they can compete with men on the same level.

But when the rubber meets the road they get smashed brutally.

Even Cyborg, whom I've met (nice gal), who has the bone structure of a Mongolian cattle herder, would be ground into hamburger by a guy her size and experience level.

 

[kinjutsu]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

In my experience i do not train with women in any capacity.
Like others have said in previous posts you gain absolutely nothing from them. It will always be a lose/lose result if she tries to goad you into putting full force into a strike.

You shouldn't be trying to fuck them nor should you humor them letting them think they can stand a chance against you.
When I'm in the dojo i only socialize with the men and young men, i'm polite if females speak to me and i decline their offers to train together.
If they go out of their way to ask for assistance then i instruct them on the proper technique and let it end there.

In just over 20 years of training i've never had an issue with a female within the dojo, i believe these guidelines can help you in the next place you train at.

 

[Saweeep]

RE: How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

It's worse than monumentally bad game.

I hate to say this but I would clamp down on this kind of shit from one of my martial arts students if he behaved this way.

Mostly cause it could cost me a lot of £££.

If you clamped down on the core male members of any club your revenue will sink fast. Go to any gym during the warmer months and see all the women and other fairies pratting around trying to be in shape.

Come winter time or shit weather those people are gone. No income for you or your club.

I have left classes in Judo because some people were pathetic in sparring and I actually got a surprised look from the teacher when I threw a female blue belt. Being soft in these environments isn't good for a club.

The OP might have screwed it up a fair bit but those women are useless sacks of shit and don't stay for long.

I don't mean to be rude but I suspect I know more about running a profitable leisure business than you. (I could, of course, be wrong).

There is nothing to suggest that the OP is a core member of anything; plus, would you really stop doing an activity because some other dude did something really stupid and was asked to leave? That's the kind of shit women do.

Krav Maga is the new Karate; hyper commercial. The instructor was protecting his business.

You may not like or agree with it, but as things stand those girls had as much right to be taking and paying for that class as the guys present. As a result there are certain expectations that any customer would have; one of which is not to be repeatedly subjected to the nonsense the OP got up to.

I'm not white knighting here...when people pay for something they expect certain levels of customer care and oversight from those leading the activity; the topic, in this case Krav, is irrelevant.

"Changing room talk" as I call it, can wreck a martial arts or sports club in five minutes, and it's much more prevalent in the girls' locker room than men's.

I've seen it happen when an instructor fucks a student (a sacking offence in my network) particularly. Suddenly half your female students just vanish taking their £1000s pcm with them.

Oddly, female students spend way, way more money than male ones and tend to stick at it longer.