How Old Is The Earth?

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Kingfisher
Gold Member
Well done on the mockery, strawmen, and ad-hominem's, a cheap serotonin rush for your ego. And congratulations on traveling through China, that's very impressive. Your very assertion to wisdom by having traveled through China and having seen many large cities, is one of the very reasons I suggest could be a reason why an over-population myth could succeed: The human mind has limited cognitive perception. It is not easy to tell 10,000 from 100,000 people intuitively. People who travel through large cities often, could easily fall into the trap of believing any population number thrown at them is plausible, by their own bias of being surrounded by large crowds often. One year it's 1B people, the next it's 3B people, then 7.8B- where does it end and what ends does it serve? However, if you will read what I literally wrote, I made no actual claims towards facts of reality, I simply made an inquiry with statements like:

"does anyone have any more info on this topic?"

"Seems like something that would be relatively easy to analyze mathematically, and assess"

"I assume that is a very low likelihood" (a statistical statement literally designed to suggest I am undecided on the topic but that some probabilities might shed further light on it)

So in effect what you are doing, is attacking a false position of fact which I did not make, that you imagined. I am simply saying - who does the narrative of over-population serve to benefit? Why would such a narrative be promoted? Is it even possible to compute such a number and what are the ways in which it is currently done? Why do we blindly accept it as fact? Does anyone have any more resources on this topic? And finally, it would be something which could most likely be reasonably analyzed statistically so as to remove our opinions from the matter. I am totally open to being wrong, it doesn't matter to me. However, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

But please sir, don't let me get in the way of your prideful, anecdotal assertions of exotic foreign-travel domain-knowledge, and calling people retards for critically thinking or exploring topics which on their face, seem to go against Christian values (population control, sterilization, abortion, racism, etc). You literally quoted Tropic Thunder as a premise to attack another person's proposition as unsophisticated. Think about that for a minute.


I lived in cities of 15 million people, 10 million and 8 million. I've spent long periods of time in Hong Kong, Taipei, Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou.

Yes, its easy to tell what a huge amount of people look like.

This is just East Asia, and does not include my travels all over the world, to large cities.

You have zero real world experience. A frog in a well, looking up at the tiny circle of stars, proclaiming profound knowledge.

Go to China, India, Indonesia. Hang out for a few months. Then report back.

Never go full retard.
 
I lived in cities of 15 million people, 10 million and 8 million. I've spent long periods of time in Hong Kong, Taipei, Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou.

Yes, its easy to tell what a huge amount of people look like.

This is just East Asia, and does not include my travels all over the world, to large cities.

You have zero real world experience. A frog in a well, looking up at the tiny circle of stars, proclaiming profound knowledge.

Go to China, India, Indonesia. Hang out for a few months. Then report back.

Never go full retard.
You are unironically roaming internet forums telling people you don't know that they don't have real world experience, calling them retards, then doubling down on 3-4 logical fallacies as well as doubling down on your own anecdotal experience bias.... Wish you all the best!
 
One easy cursory example of how the global population claim could be way over-presented:

China is supposed to be the world's most populace country at 1.398 B people (World Bank data: https://datacommons.org/place/country/CHN?utm_medium=explore&mprop=count&popt=Person&hl=en).
China's top 400 cities by population (i.e. all cities over 109,000 people) sum to 368,205,191 people (National Bureau of Statistics of China via WorldPopulationReview.com https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/cities/china)
This suggests that there are over 1 B people in China living in it's rural areas and towns under 109,000.
According to CIA.gov data, China's Urbanization % (percent of population living in urban areas) is 61.4%. (https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/urbanization/).
Unfortunately the CIA.gov website doesn't offer their definition of "urban area's", but if we assumed it was all cities over 109,000 people, then this would mean China actually had 599,682,721 people (or 798,317,279 less people than claimed).

Now I am not saying that China actually has less than 600K people, but considering most people are fully willing to scrutinize other data offered by the Chinese government, why are we accepting this 1.398 B population number as truth? Furthermore, many people who travel to China say the cities are full of empty skyscrapers, and that the countryside feels barren because the population can't survive as farmers anymore so they moved to the cities for work.

We say China and India comprise about 1/3 of the earth's population; are we also trusting India's census numbers?

As far as Western countries, almost all of them claim to have reduced birthrates and smaller families than historically. So where is the 7.8 B people number coming from? This is just one of many different ways you could look at and critique this much-touted world population number. Again, I am fully willing to be wrong on this inquiry and am claiming no knowledge or expertise- but what narratives does an over-populated earth serve? Who benefits from thinking we need to reduce population?
 

Crazy Ivan

Chicken
Doesn't prove much. You would see same effect on a flat earth and a lower sun shining at an angle.
Wrong.
It does prove the Earth is not flat. Also, the Greeks already knew that before, because when you move North-South, there are Stars that you can or can no longer see, because they are so low in the sky, that when you move your position they are now below the Horizon.

If the Earth was flat, the sun would rise at the same time everywhere on the upper side of the Pizza.

Aristotle, however, was also a great astronomer. Aristotle wrote in 350BCE in the treatise “On the Heavens,” Book II, Chapter 14:
“Again, our observations of the stars make it evident, not only that the Earth is circular, but also that it is a circle of no great size. For quite a small change of position to south or north causes a manifest alteration of the horizon.”
“Indeed, there are some stars seen in Egypt and in the neighborhood of Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions; and stars, which in the north are never beyond the range of observation, in those regions rise and set. All of which goes to show not only that the earth is circular in shape, but also that it is a sphere of no great size.”
The Geometric calculation I posted before simply gave the size of the sphere on top.

Also, every sun, planet, and moon you can see in the Heavens is spherical. What would make you assume that the Earth is special, and be flat? You know who thought the Earth is flat? The Hindus. They also thought it is being carried by turtles. What is carrying a flat Earth, and what is on the bottom side, if it has the shape of a Pizza? The whole flat Earth theory is silly and full of holes.

I understand that you are sceptical about Science, because there is a lot of fraud out there that calls itself science. Geometry however is so simple, that anyone can do it. I would call it a sacred science. Remember, the truth shall set you free, even if it goes against your current believes.

 
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Crazy Ivan

Chicken
Personally, I would consider pro "flat Earth" proponents on the Forum as either Trolls, saboteurs or stupid. This 'flat Earth' talk is just wasting everybody's time, is derailing threads, and makes Roosh look silly if his 'fan base' is regarded as pro flat Earth.

If people really want to talk about this, they should make a dedicated thread for it (if there isn't one already), and stop derailing other threads.
 
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HKBhusal

Sparrow
that is plain wrong. I have watched 2 or 3 very long pro-Flat videos. they are not getting censored. The reason there are so many anti-flat videos is probably because Flat-Earth is retard-tier nonsense, that people with a decently high IQ and some knowledge in math and geometry can debunk easily.

The old Greeks already proved that the Earth is not flat but a sphere, using Geometry.
They even calculated the 'size' of the Earth and got pretty damn close to what it really is.


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Please post the links.
 

Crazy Ivan

Chicken
Please post the links.
Just stop it, please. This thread is not about Flat Earth. Make your own thread. Also, I watched these FE videos like 2 years ago, and certainly don't remember the Titles or have any links on hand. I would have to search for them again, which I have no good reason to do. I just remember that one video was by the main FE guy, who also runs a FE website. Now, if you please - no more flat Earth stuff in this thread. I wont answer any more questions about FE in this thread. Thank you.

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Fenaroli

Sparrow
The Catechism of the Catholic Church gives specific dates and genealogies, so by tradition an Old Earth theory can’t be accepted, it would be incompatible.

I’ve been really disillusioned by “science” over the last couple of years and I have so many doubts about:

- Space and Astronomy
- The shape, nature and age of our world
- Evolution
- Abiogenesis

I believe God gave us the gift of reason and it is reasonable to have doubts over the accepted scientific “dogmas” today.
 

DeWoken

Sparrow
It's been a quality thread, fellas. :like: I was reading it late last night and will reply after waking up (with all the posts melting into a stew). :)

I am wondering if I should start a thread like:

"The Graham Hancock Thread"

"Ancient Civilizations, Cataclysms, Messengers and Reboots"

It's kind of a deep topic, related to this thread but maybe a bit different.

Like I've said in this thread, my bible knowledge is still weak. I was reading Graham Hancock before the virus hoax and election scam but the harsh nature of events threw me off of my academic pursuits.

Mostly I agree with @Max Roscoe , thinking that God's glory is not diminished by most of modern science's conclusions (something about babies and bathwater). Miracles happen all the time without breaking our "known rules" of science. And even as humans harnessed the power of the atomic nucleus and learned to fly faster than sound - hemming the unknown rules into a seemingly shrinking pen - we unleash the digital frontier, AI and robots, and are once again awash with uncertainty. The thing that remains is that we are never fully in control.

Mountains, fossils, and entire species, can be created by natural phenomenon which were designed by God. God can create order out of chaos and leave no trace, if he wants. I have heard it said that false clues on the earth are left as a "test of faith" and I find that unsatisfying. If you look into the details of the position of Earth in the "Goldilocks zone" and all of those variables that had to be in the right range for human life to be possible you start to see fingerprints of God. But we weren't ready for that knowledge at the time of the Bible's writing, and I suppose it was only alluded to obliquely.

I find it poetic how the plants were created before the sun. It makes me think of a masculine-feminine interplay, with the sun being incredibly powerful but ultimately purposeless without his plants. His rays are usually just the right amount for her to flourish - and she is somewhat adaptable to his moods. Baring cataclysm (or Bill Gates spraying shit in the air) it is a perfect match.

Dr. EM Jones says that the reason The West flourished compared to the Muslim world was that in Islam everything is simply, "God's will". Why does water boil faster high in the mountains? "Because Allah wills it!", and the discussion ends. I prefer a Christian God that makes some sort of sense, that knows our heart.
 
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