How to be exempted from mandatory vaccinations

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I haven't asked this on the board, and I can't get an answer from anyone, but it seems obvious - if by law exemptions are included as a matter of fact, why haven't companies just said, "Ok, we'll have your mandate." But then just grant every exemption desired? They are clearly getting internal messaging requiring at least some percentage of vax, since they could just clearly do what I'm saying and no one would care, or be the wiser. So why aren't they open about how they are being blackmailed?
 

BillMcNeal

Woodpecker
Other Christian
It appears that my employer is going to deny all religious exemptions by claiming it creates a "hardship" on them. I don't see how they can justify this legally, but apparently the decision has been made. Please pray for me and my fellow coworkers who will be impacted by this, as well as the clients we serve who will now be faced with even longer wait times, lack of appointments, and overall lower quality healthcare.
Prayers said. Might want to check out this video to get some ideas on the inevitable lawsuit. You can always hire a high priced attorney, especially if you're going to be in bad financial shape if you lose your job, but doing it yourself is an option as well. Could certainly put you at an advantage for a settlement.

I haven't asked this on the board, and I can't get an answer from anyone, but it seems obvious - if by law exemptions are included as a matter of fact, why haven't companies just said, "Ok, we'll have your mandate." But then just grant every exemption desired? They are clearly getting internal messaging requiring at least some percentage of vax, since they could just clearly do what I'm saying and no one would care, or be the wiser. So why aren't they open about how they are being blackmailed?
There are true believers out there, especially in corporate America.
 

SeekingTruth

Kingfisher
Catholic
I haven't asked this on the board, and I can't get an answer from anyone, but it seems obvious - if by law exemptions are included as a matter of fact, why haven't companies just said, "Ok, we'll have your mandate." But then just grant every exemption desired? They are clearly getting internal messaging requiring at least some percentage of vax, since they could just clearly do what I'm saying and no one would care, or be the wiser. So why aren't they open about how they are being blackmailed?

Do you think it’s just a case of the ideology running that deep? And that they would rather sacrifice their company and lose employees for “the greater good” and receive approval from the state?
Aren’t most companies now a days ran by atheists/secularists?
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Do you think it’s just a case of the ideology running that deep? And that they would rather sacrifice their company and lose employees for “the greater good” and receive approval from the state?
Aren’t most companies now a days ran by atheists/secularists?
It could be. I can't figure it out. They clearly are losing out on money, expertise and efficiency. They are materialists too, so I guess the only explanation would be that they value emotional or social standing/connections more than an expanding business. The reason why this is different in terms of a scenario is that you can actually hide what you are doing. Who publicly will know, or will care if you grant exemptions? Just don't make it public. Most normies got the jab anyway!
 

Dilated

Woodpecker
Other Christian
I haven't asked this on the board, and I can't get an answer from anyone, but it seems obvious - if by law exemptions are included as a matter of fact, why haven't companies just said, "Ok, we'll have your mandate." But then just grant every exemption desired? They are clearly getting internal messaging requiring at least some percentage of vax, since they could just clearly do what I'm saying and no one would care, or be the wiser. So why aren't they open about how they are being blackmailed?

Only thing I can think of- at some point having so much money isn’t exciting anymore. These companies probably think they can still survive AND get to brag about how they are helping ‘save society’ by mandating the vax.

Social currency > actual currency
 

homersheineken

Pelican
Protestant
For those trying to go the Religious exemption route, be very cautious:

Lankford Exposes HHS Leaked Memo Seeking to Strip Americans’ Religious, Conscience Protections​


WASHINGTON, DC- Senator James Lankford (R-OK) issued a statement after a leaked memo from the Department of Health and Human Services seeks to repeal certain protections for religious freedoms and directly calls out Members who have been outspoken of HHS’ mishandling of conscience and religious freedom protections.

The leaked memo from HHS states, “Groups who share the prior Administration’s broad view of the application of RFRA or who will interpret this action as an indication that the Department is abdicating its responsibility for compliance with RFRA will likely issue strong negative reactions. This includes members of Congress who have been outspoken about OCR’s conscience and religious freedom activities and who have repeatedly asked questions about changes to OCR’s organizational structure and legal authority.”

“The memo is correct, I am an outspoken advocate for religious liberty, and I have a very ‘negative reaction’ to this Administration ignoring the First Amendment and failing to protect Americans of conscience,” said Lankford. “Americans do not support President Biden and his team’s absolute lawlessness when it comes to upholding Americans’ Constitutional rights—including our right to freely live our faith. The HHS memo leaked today is the second leaked document out of this administration in a week, which contradicts public statements from now two Cabinet secretaries, and illustrates the absolute disregard this Administration has for the American people. We, as Americans, do not discriminate against people of faith. This move by Secretary Becerra shows he will not keep the commitment to protect religious freedom for every American that he made during his confirmation hearing.

“This action from HHS means that the Office for Civil Rights will no longer uphold the civil rights of religious Americans. HHS clearly intends to go back to the days of light to no enforcement of the law that protect the rights of people of any faith.”

The HHS memo continues, “OGC advises that the best interpretation of RFRA is that it provides third parties the ability to make a claim, or present a defense, in response to a Government action.” In contrast, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) specifically says that its purpose is “to guarantee its application in all cases where free exercise of religion is substantially burdened.”

Senator Lankford did not support the confirmation of HHS Secretary Becerra, citing concern with his hostility toward conscience protections and lack of experience to lead the agency.

Lankford questioned Becerra during a Committee on Finance hearing in February 2021. Lankford reintroduced the Conscience Protection Act earlier this year to protect healthcare providers, including health insurance plans from government discrimination if they decline to participate in abortions.

Most recently, Lankford called out Becerra for allowing California to violate federal law and the conscience rights of Californians, who do not want to pay for abortions. Additionally, Lankford led a bicameral group of Senators and Congressmen in a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland and Becerra demanding answers on why the Department of Justice (DOJ) dropped a lawsuit against the University of Vermont Medical Center (UVMMC), which has received federal funds from HHS since 1998, for forcing a nurse to assist with an abortion procedure against the nurse’s registered conscience objections and in clear violation of long-standing federal law.

Excerpt from February 2021 hearing when Lankford question Becerra on enforcing existing law to protect Americans’ conscience rights in HHS

Lankford: As California Attorney General, you sued the federal government over 100 times, including multiple times dealing with issues about conscience protections that you would specifically have to now enforce on the other side of it, and so I’m trying to get some clarity on this. There’s a Conscience and Religious Freedom Division at HHS. They have compiled the 25 different conscience laws that already exist in statute, that are law, and to say that HHS in the past wasn’t always consistent in enforcing those laws, but they were going to actually be consistent because they were laws on the books. So my question is: will you continue to enforce existing federal law on conscience issues when you get to HHS? And what will you do with the conscience and religious freedom division?

Becerra: …I believe deeply in religious freedom, and I will make sure that as Secretary of HHS that you will know that I will not only respect the law when it comes to these issues of religious freedom, but I will enforce them as Secretary of HHS within my department.

Lankford: So the challenge that I have in just processing through this, just some of the history there, obviously when you were attorney general you had suits that went all the way to the Supreme Court that the Supreme Court overturned. Some were decisions specifically on conscience issues, for instance the issue of the FACT Act that came out of California requiring pro-life facilities to have to post in their facility: here’s a way to get an abortion instead of having your child up for adoption, which feels very much like promoting abortion, not just providing abortions, a very different issue on that. You argued that case all the way to the Supreme Court, ultimately lost because the Supreme Court said what’s obvious to everyone: you can’t require someone to say something they disagree with. That’s a conscience issue. Another conscience issue was the Little Sisters of the Poor and other groups like that that said, ‘Hey, we don’t want to participate in abortion-related health care, and about 28,000 Californians lost their health care that fit in with their conscience, based on how you were combatting with those folks. So, help me understand the disparity between those two.

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canuckj

Woodpecker
Other Christian
I just read the Canadian government requirements for boarding flights in Canada at https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/domestic-travel. Apparently there is a religious exemption and it seems to be up to the discretion of the airline (which can be a charter flight as well as far as I know).

Applications for sincere religious beliefs may be considered on a case-by-case basis. Your request to your airline or railway must clearly demonstrate your sincere religious belief, how it prevents you from being vaccinated, and be signed by a Commissioner of Oaths.

If you’re traveling with multiple airlines, you’ll need to contact each airline.

If you receive approval for a temporary exemption, you’ll also need to present a valid COVID-19 test before boarding.


Unless I am misinterpreting this maybe I have found a loophole for unvaxed Canuck travelers. Has anyone tried this? Are there airlines that would be more sympathetic than others?
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
In another manifestation of clown world, I was informed that someone who had potentially lost a job from a "mandate" requested the flu exemption on the grounds, after having been rejected for the sarscov exemption, and it was approved. Isn't that an admission that there are quotas?
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
Christ Is Born!
Glorify Him!
Thank you for these Kaleb.

I am Orthodox.

Have you or anyone you know used these documents to request an exemption?

Thanks again!
I used parts of this document for my own exemption but really I used it as a research tool to create my own statements. My company blanket accepted all religious accommodations with the caveat that they can terminate us if we can't travel, i.e. if I need to be vaccinated to fly.

I also closely know two men who applied for a religious exemption for the military, but the military hasn't made a final determination for them. Many in the military have already been rejected- typically the ones who didn't seem genuine, didn't do their research, or made the medical aspect of it seem more significant, so it seems they're rejecting the ones that are easy to reject right away, and will probably separate everyone unvaccinated, including those with genuine religious exemptions, in the coming weeks, but who knows. A 100% vaccinated US Navy ship just failed to sail because of a covid outbreak, so maybe they'll have a hard time saying the vaccines make the military more mission-ready, but I don't expect any logic or sanity in these decisions. It's a purge of all who don't meet their ideological purity tests.
 

Biscuits_Gravy

Woodpecker
Catholic
I used parts of this document for my own exemption but really I used it as a research tool to create my own statements. My company blanket accepted all religious accommodations with the caveat that they can terminate us if we can't travel, i.e. if I need to be vaccinated to fly.

I also closely know two men who applied for a religious exemption for the military, but the military hasn't made a final determination for them. Many in the military have already been rejected- typically the ones who didn't seem genuine, didn't do their research, or made the medical aspect of it seem more significant, so it seems they're rejecting the ones that are easy to reject right away, and will probably separate everyone unvaccinated, including those with genuine religious exemptions, in the coming weeks, but who knows. A 100% vaccinated US Navy ship just failed to sail because of a covid outbreak, so maybe they'll have a hard time saying the vaccines make the military more mission-ready, but I don't expect any logic or sanity in these decisions. It's a purge of all who don't meet their ideological purity tests.
This is correct. I am currently pending a religious exemption in the Air National Guard. The whole thing has been super sketchy, and it is very clear that there is a huge leadership vacuum. “Just following orders”. I was told that I should hear back come January. Interestingly it will be around the same time SCOTUS starts hearing the case on vaccine mandates.

What’s funny though, several troops outright refused without vaccination, they were reprimanded, and a couple I know turned in their gear and signed papers but they STILL have not discharged them. Yes the military has discharged some folks but it’s a small number compared to the total number of people who rejected. I think they’re still trying to rationalize how to make a military purge not look like a military purge.
 

Tikhon

Sparrow
Orthodox
Glorify Him!

I used parts of this document for my own exemption but really I used it as a research tool to create my own statements. My company blanket accepted all religious accommodations with the caveat that they can terminate us if we can't travel, i.e. if I need to be vaccinated to fly.

I also closely know two men who applied for a religious exemption for the military, but the military hasn't made a final determination for them. Many in the military have already been rejected- typically the ones who didn't seem genuine, didn't do their research, or made the medical aspect of it seem more significant, so it seems they're rejecting the ones that are easy to reject right away, and will probably separate everyone unvaccinated, including those with genuine religious exemptions, in the coming weeks, but who knows. A 100% vaccinated US Navy ship just failed to sail because of a covid outbreak, so maybe they'll have a hard time saying the vaccines make the military more mission-ready, but I don't expect any logic or sanity in these decisions. It's a purge of all who don't meet their ideological purity tests.
Thanks Daniel.

Tikhon.
 

SpyofMoses

Robin
Protestant
For what it's worth, and in case this hasn't been said yet, I want to remind everyone of something: Protect your personal information.

If you can't get an exemption, and someone offers you a fake pass, it's worth remembering that this will still have you participating in a lie. I was offered a fake and decided against it. Mostly because I don't trust the source, but if things really do reach outright persecution, it's the test God wants for us.

Godspeed guys.
 

inthefade

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
Since this thread is bumped: feel free to PM me to get a copy of my successful affidavit (USA). It has worked for me and at least 2 other family members that needed it.
 
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